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Posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 18:37:47
When I was diagnosed with depression, I was put on Effexor, which worked for a while, but whose effectiveness faded. Wellbutrin was added, and the same thing happened.
When I was diagnosed with MAJOR depression, my psychiatrist added Adderall. That was the most effective medication, to date, but it too eventually faded, after about 4 months. Then I tried Desoxyn, partially based on the comments on Desoxyn for ADHD, on this website. It was far stronger than I had expected. I had been prescribed 10 mg, twice a day, but I started out taking 5 mg per day, in 4 spaced doses.
I have worked up to about 7.5 mg per day, still far less than what I was prescribed. The fact that I could take much more, and still be within prescribed limits, gives me some confidence. On Adderall, I was maxed out(40 mg/day) and still wasn't getting enough oomph.
It took me much longer to get acclimated to Desoxyn (2 weeks) than any other drug. At first, I felt like my eyes were stuck open, and I wanted my Adderall back. After 2 weeks, though, I felt quite normal. The only drawback I have noticed, so far, is that I have to take my last dose at about 130pm in order to avoid insomnia; so, in the late afternoon, and evening, it is not as easy to function as it is in the morning and early afternoon.
I have no risk or desire to use Desoxyn, recreationally. If I go over my aforementioned therapeutic dose, I get nervous and feel worse. Desoxyn is, by far, the best drug I have tried for major depression. It's too bad it's getting such bad press, these days!
Posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 18:52:06
In reply to Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 18:37:47
This is not my report (i should be so lucky) but someone elses. I am being medically treated and followed, with the MUCH less mild Ritalin, for specialist diagnosed ADD/HD. I have read extensively that Desoxyn is, for many, very effective, and almost always the last resort.
Cheers
Posted by rjlockhart98 on August 10, 2005, at 20:05:06
In reply to Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 18:37:47
Did that advice help and you got desoxyn!
Well you must have charisma like me becuase i couldnt not even got my doctor to prescibe it. I avoided it, becuse i know that he was not in the mood.
Paul you are scream
How has the Dexedrine came along?
Posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 20:26:56
In reply to Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by rjlockhart98 on August 10, 2005, at 20:05:06
> Did that advice help and you got desoxyn!
>
> Well you must have charisma like me becuase i couldnt not even got my doctor to prescibe it. I avoided it, becuse i know that he was not in the mood.
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> Paul you are scream
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> How has the Dexedrine came along?Hi Ya rj!!
I have charisma or a never ending quest to see success i guess-thanks bro
I saw another Doc (same practice) last month who upped my Ritalin!. I saw my regular Doc yesterday and he lowered it again to what he has been giving me for the past several months-DARN, and told me to to keep trying to see the PsyDoc we had been talking about. My Doc has no legal authority to change my Rit to Dex (specialist decision only) so he just gave me my Rit and another med. We talked about trying Concerta-free company trial for 1 month- Most of the time i'm ok, but would like to try Dex so as to asess the diferent benefits.
we'll see if i get to see him, i'm afraid he will diagnose something different and give me some degrading diagnosis, starting another med merry- go round.
We'll see.
Cheers Rj
Posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 22:21:50
In reply to Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 20:26:56
An aquantaince who has Narcolepsy used to take 4-5 15mg Desoxyn SR in the morning (before discontinuation in 2000)and was like a normal person all day. he has found the Ovation 5mg IR (all there is now) far less effective so he has to take 4, 4x aday=16 pills 80mg! daily to stay on the job and awake.
This seems to be documented elsewhere where the Ovations are reported to be much less effective than the Abbotts which were around before. No more 5 10 15mg SR either only the 5mg IR which last far shorter which hacks him off no end. He also has to take 3 200mg Provigal to stay awake.
Damn the pressure on Pharmaceutical companies by the DEA to stamp out any meds which people had been using for medical purposes, because a few like to take them for fun.
Posted by Declan on August 10, 2005, at 23:25:58
In reply to Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 20:26:56
some degrading diagnosis, that's a classic, thankyou
Declan
Posted by Paulbwell on August 11, 2005, at 0:02:48
In reply to Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by Declan on August 10, 2005, at 23:25:58
> some degrading diagnosis, that's a classic, thankyou
> DeclanDegrading diagnosis perhaps,but he didn't choose to have Narcolepsy and he sleeps all the time off medication, and people have a right to a normal life.
Posted by Paulbwell on August 11, 2005, at 2:28:36
In reply to Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by Paulbwell on August 11, 2005, at 0:02:48
> > some degrading diagnosis, that's a classic, thankyou
> > Declan
>
> Degrading diagnosis perhaps,but he didn't choose to have Narcolepsy and he sleeps all the time off medication, and people have a right to a normal life.Dexedrine profile:
psychostimulant:
NE release +++
DA release ++
DA reuptake inhibition +
NE reuptake inhibition +Desoxyn profile:
psychostimulant:
5-HT release +++
NE release +++
DA release ++
DA reuptake inhibition
NE reuptake inhibition
Posted by alohashirt on August 11, 2005, at 7:48:47
In reply to Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 20:26:56
> > Did that advice help and you got desoxyn!
> >
> > Well you must have charisma like me becuase i couldnt not even got my doctor to prescibe it. I avoided it, becuse i know that he was not in the mood.
> >
> > Paul you are scream
> >
> > How has the Dexedrine came along?
>
> Hi Ya rj!!
>
> I have charisma or a never ending quest to see success i guess-thanks bro
>
> I saw another Doc (same practice) last month who upped my Ritalin!. I saw my regular Doc yesterday and he lowered it again to what he has been giving me for the past several months-DARN, and told me to to keep trying to see the PsyDoc we had been talking about. My Doc has no legal authority to change my Rit to Dex (specialist decision only) so he just gave me my Rit and another med. We talked about trying Concerta-free company trial for 1 month- Most of the time i'm ok, but would like to try Dex so as to asess the diferent benefits.
>
> we'll see if i get to see him, i'm afraid he will diagnose something different and give me some degrading diagnosis, starting another med merry- go round.
>
> We'll see.
>
> Cheers Rj
>
>
Good luck! I found Concerta better than Metadate better than Ritalin because of the smoother taper off effect. It does cause me to "think in ruts." Dexedrine, in comparison, gives me greater mental clarity but less effect on distraction. I hope to try the new Focalin XR which should be sharper than Concerta.
Posted by Paulbwell on August 11, 2005, at 12:10:55
In reply to Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by alohashirt on August 11, 2005, at 7:48:47
> Good luck! I found Concerta better than Metadate better than Ritalin because of the smoother taper off effect. It does cause me to "think in ruts." Dexedrine, in comparison, gives me greater mental clarity but less effect on distraction. I hope to try the new Focalin XR which should be sharper than Concerta.
>Thamks Gshirt,
Greater mental clarity is something i could do with-bring on the Dex!
Theres a Focalin XR? never knew that, and i'm up on the play with ADD meds.
Dood luck, thanks again
Posted by alohashirt on August 11, 2005, at 21:22:53
In reply to Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl) personal report, posted by Paulbwell on August 11, 2005, at 12:10:55
> Theres a Focalin XR? never knew that, and i'm up on the play with ADD meds.
>
> Dood luck, thanks againThere seems to be an amazing amount of research and new development of ADHD meds, Shire have a new amphetamine coming out this year. There are least a half dozen other meds within the approval process. I don't know whether any of them are expected to be better at symptom removal or just more conveneient / less side effects / harder to abuse / more profitable.
For example Adderall is prescribed more than dexedrine but I don't believe there has been any research that has compared teh effects of the two medications. My straw polls have suggested that about 60% of people who prefer dexedrine to Adderall but Adderall is more profitable, more heavily marketed, and slightly less recognizable as an amphetamine to the naive patient.
Posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 0:48:42
In reply to ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl), posted by alohashirt on August 11, 2005, at 21:22:53
From the extensive reading i have read Dextroamphetamine is FAR preferable for many people being only the nuro-active D Amphetamine. Desoxyn is, from what i have read is certainly the most effective, and with the pre 2000 Desoxyn Gradumets (SR) these pills were like rock and very hard to abuse, they came in 5, 10, 15mg doses and were safe and VERY effective-pity about the Methamphetamine hysteria, damn the media. Another effective medication gone because of media hysteria--aaaarrrrrr.
Cheers
Posted by ed_uk on August 12, 2005, at 1:33:35
In reply to ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl), posted by alohashirt on August 11, 2005, at 21:22:53
>slightly less recognizable as an amphetamine to the naive patient.
.....exactly, the manufacturer (of Dexedrine) should change the name!
~Ed
Posted by gromit on August 12, 2005, at 2:46:25
In reply to Re: ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hcl), posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 0:48:42
> From the extensive reading i have read Dextroamphetamine is FAR preferable for many people being only the nuro-active D Amphetamine. Desoxyn is, from what i have read is certainly the most effective, and with the pre 2000 Desoxyn Gradumets (SR) these pills were like rock and very hard to abuse, they came in 5, 10, 15mg doses and were safe and VERY effective-pity about the Methamphetamine hysteria, damn the media. Another effective medication gone because of media hysteria--aaaarrrrrr.
It's a sad situation that's for sure. I have no problem asking my doc about trying cymbalta for example, and they will likely go along with it. Imagine if I asked about desoxyn ( and I know better than to do that ), it would be "drug seeking behaviour". I came to see the pdoc, at least in my area all he does is prescribe medication, that in itself could well be called "drug seeking behaviour". If I wanted talk therapy I could seek out a clergyman or see a therapist.
If I go to the market am I exibiting "food seeking behaviour"? People will abuse almost anything, glue, paint, cooking spray. Alchohol and tobacco are sold legally and openly yet effective treatments like desoxyn, ghb, even marijuana are potentially addictive and evil. Only druggies and rapists would use these substances and using drugs is supporting the terrorists.
Ok I've had a couple drinks but still...
Rick
Posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 5:26:34
In reply to Re: ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hc, posted by gromit on August 12, 2005, at 2:46:25
>
> It's a sad situation that's for sure. I have no problem asking my doc about trying cymbalta for example, and they will likely go along with it. Imagine if I asked about desoxyn ( and I know better than to do that ), it would be "drug seeking behaviour". I came to see the pdoc, at least in my area all he does is prescribe medication, that in itself could well be called "drug seeking behaviour". If I wanted talk therapy I could seek out a clergyman or see a therapist.
>
> If I go to the market am I exibiting "food seeking behaviour"? People will abuse almost anything, glue, paint, cooking spray. Alchohol and tobacco are sold legally and openly yet effective treatments like desoxyn, ghb, even marijuana are potentially addictive and evil. Only druggies and rapists would use these substances and using drugs is supporting the terrorists.
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> Ok I've had a couple drinks but still...
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> Rick
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I HATE THAT DRUG SEEKING BEHAVIOUR TERM
Fair rant-I ahve an aquantaince who has taken a high dose (80mg) of Desoxyn for 40 years for sever Narcolepsy, 4-5 15mg SR in the morning used to keep him awake all day, now he takes 4 5mgs IR Desoxyn (Ovation brand, inferior to Abbort) 4x daily with less efective results.
People can addict themselves to anything-this is a very important point, Drugs only have effects, what you choose to do with efects is up to you.Cheers
Posted by Declan on August 12, 2005, at 18:53:32
In reply to Re: ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hc, posted by gromit on August 12, 2005, at 2:46:25
It's hard when you go to a doctor to know where the line is going to be drawn there. When I asked for Parnate it was completely OK but it wouldn't have been OK with someone else. With some doctors the line is what is a controlled substance, while others don't like you making suggestions and want to be the one to make the suggestions (I'm the expert here). As for approaching a doctor about Desoxyn, or ghb!!! But with the right doctor in the right place it's different.
Declan
Posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 22:22:42
In reply to Re: ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hc, posted by Declan on August 12, 2005, at 18:53:32
> It's hard when you go to a doctor to know where the line is going to be drawn there. When I asked for Parnate it was completely OK but it wouldn't have been OK with someone else. With some doctors the line is what is a controlled substance, while others don't like you making suggestions and want to be the one to make the suggestions (I'm the expert here). As for approaching a doctor about Desoxyn, or ghb!!! But with the right doctor in the right place it's different.
> Declan
I have been diagonesed with ADD/HD by a specialist, i would fuc*ing love to try Desoxyn.
Posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 23:37:55
In reply to Re: ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hc, posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 22:22:42
> > It's hard when you go to a doctor to know where the line is going to be drawn there. When I asked for Parnate it was completely OK but it wouldn't have been OK with someone else. With some doctors the line is what is a controlled substance, while others don't like you making suggestions and want to be the one to make the suggestions (I'm the expert here). As for approaching a doctor about Desoxyn, or ghb!!! But with the right doctor in the right place it's different.
> > Declan
>
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> I have been diagonesed with ADD/HD by a specialist, i would fuc*ing love to try Desoxyn.
>But Desoxyn isn't available here, althought unfortunately, perhaps if it was i would be a more succesfull person, drink less and acheive more, oh well.
Cheers
Posted by gromit on August 13, 2005, at 3:38:12
In reply to Re: ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hc, posted by Declan on August 12, 2005, at 18:53:32
> It's hard when you go to a doctor to know where the line is going to be drawn there. When I asked for Parnate it was completely OK but it wouldn't have been OK with someone else. With some doctors the line is what is a controlled substance, while others don't like you making suggestions and want to be the one to make the suggestions (I'm the expert here). As for approaching a doctor about Desoxyn, or ghb!!! But with the right doctor in the right place it's different.
The right doctor in the right place, that's really the trick isn't it? I felt like I had robbed a jewelery store when I walked away with a script for ritalin even though there is no doubt that I have add.
Rick
Posted by Paulbwell on August 13, 2005, at 6:06:54
In reply to Re: ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hc, posted by gromit on August 13, 2005, at 3:38:12
> > It's hard when you go to a doctor to know where the line is going to be drawn there. When I asked for Parnate it was completely OK but it wouldn't have been OK with someone else. With some doctors the line is what is a controlled substance, while others don't like you making suggestions and want to be the one to make the suggestions (I'm the expert here). As for approaching a doctor about Desoxyn, or ghb!!! But with the right doctor in the right place it's different.
>
> The right doctor in the right place, that's really the trick isn't it? I felt like I had robbed a jewelery store when I walked away with a script for ritalin even though there is no doubt that I have add.
>
> Rick
>
Yep hear yer, i was on 20mgs Ritalin 3x daily then went to see a different Doc in my practice who put me on 20mgs 4x day! 240 pills. Intersestingly my regular Doc reduced it again, but the Pharmacy mistakingly gave me an extra box of Rit (C11 drug)so yahoo for me. so i'm at the dose the previous Doc gave me.feels good to have things go in your way
Cheers
Posted by Paulbwell on August 16, 2005, at 20:48:16
In reply to Re: ADHD Meds (Re: Desoxyn 5mg (Methamphetamine Hc, posted by Paulbwell on August 13, 2005, at 6:06:54
> > > It's hard when you go to a doctor to know where the line is going to be drawn there. When I asked for Parnate it was completely OK but it wouldn't have been OK with someone else. With some doctors the line is what is a controlled substance, while others don't like you making suggestions and want to be the one to make the suggestions (I'm the expert here). As for approaching a doctor about Desoxyn, or ghb!!! But with the right doctor in the right place it's different.
> >
> > The right doctor in the right place, that's really the trick isn't it? I felt like I had robbed a jewelery store when I walked away with a script for ritalin even though there is no doubt that I have add.
> >
> > Rick
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> Yep hear yer, i was on 20mgs Ritalin 3x daily then went to see a different Doc in my practice who put me on 20mgs 4x day! 240 pills. Intersestingly my regular Doc reduced it again, but the Pharmacy mistakingly gave me an extra box of Rit (C11 drug)so yahoo for me. so i'm at the dose the previous Doc gave me.
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> feels good to have things go in your way
> Cheers
>Althought Ritalin is kinda harsh, and something smoother would be better.
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