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Posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2005, at 21:44:54
Okay, now that we know that there is no "magic Pill" what would a pill do for you that would give it the magic properties? Mine would make me laugh, dance, run up and hug everybody, be happy just to be alive! Think about it and what would your "magic pill" do for you? Fondly, and magically Phillipa
Posted by KaraS on June 18, 2005, at 2:48:16
In reply to Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2005, at 21:44:54
> Okay, now that we know that there is no "magic Pill" what would a pill do for you that would give it the magic properties? Mine would make me laugh, dance, run up and hug everybody, be happy just to be alive! Think about it and what would your "magic pill" do for you? Fondly, and magically Phillipa
Good follow-up question, Phillipa. You're on a roll!!!Aside from making me pop-up early in the morning because I couldn't wait to greet the day, I think I'd have to say that it would give me the ability to make lots of money. I've never been obsessed with it before but I'm so tired of worrying about it now.
k
Posted by linkadge on June 18, 2005, at 3:30:49
In reply to Re: Followl-Up On Magic Pill » Phillipa, posted by KaraS on June 18, 2005, at 2:48:16
I would just like something that targeted my anxiety but didn't take away that which makes me myself.
I am tired of taking antidepressants for anxiety. Time for some nice anandamide based drugs.
Linkadge
Posted by paulbwell on June 18, 2005, at 3:48:10
In reply to Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2005, at 21:44:54
> Okay, now that we know that there is no "magic Pill" what would a pill do for you that would give it the magic properties? Mine would make me laugh, dance, run up and hug everybody, be happy just to be alive! Think about it and what would your "magic pill" do for you? Fondly, and magically Phillipa
Hi ya Phillipa!
Hope your well.
Your "magic Pill" sounds kinda like Extasy!
I can't think of 1 "Magic pill" but 2 or 3 combined come to mind that would put a smile on my face and bring happiness to my day! pity il never get em thou.
Posted by linkadge on June 18, 2005, at 4:10:16
In reply to Re: Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by paulbwell on June 18, 2005, at 3:48:10
"Your "magic Pill" sounds kinda like Extasy!"
Thats what I was going to say!! :)
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 7:05:59
In reply to Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2005, at 21:44:54
> Okay, now that we know that there is no "magic Pill"...
Truth is not determined by the consensus of a majority.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk on June 18, 2005, at 9:57:31
In reply to Re: Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by linkadge on June 18, 2005, at 4:10:16
>"Your "magic Pill" sounds kinda like Extasy!"
LOL, that's what I was gonna say as well!!!
Ed xxx
Posted by linkadge on June 18, 2005, at 16:51:25
In reply to Re: Followl-Up On Magic Pill » Phillipa, posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 7:05:59
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Okay, now that we know that there is no "magic Pill"
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SLS's definition of a magic pill might be different from others'.But no, there is no magic pill that will take away all of your problems. That I would agree is a delusion.
I know that I tend to lump my "life's problems" and my "psychiatric symptoms" into one large bag. This is not wise for me.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on June 18, 2005, at 18:10:36
In reply to Re: Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by linkadge on June 18, 2005, at 16:51:25
Nor for anyone else. I've never used illegal drugs so that's not an option so I guess I'll just keep plugging away. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 21:14:58
In reply to Re: Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by linkadge on June 18, 2005, at 16:51:25
> But no, there is no magic pill that will take away all of your problems.
Hi. I hope I addressed my views adequately in the previous "magic pill" thread. This is not new ground to be worked through.
> That I would agree is a delusion.
It is no delusion if you have no problems to begin with.
For bipolar disorder in particular, but not exclusively, the first episode of depression can occur in the absence of psychological problems or stressful life events. Unfortunately, this also becomes more true with every successive episode, even if the first episodes involved psychosocial triggers.
I don't have any problems. Sorry to disappoint you all. :-) There is nothing to get in my way of attaining a full remission the instant the biology of my brain becomes regulated properly. For me, any pill becomes a magic pill if it fixes my biology because there is nothing left to act as a depressogen. All that is left after the removal of depression is an emotionally healthy and mature mind in desire of experience. I will, of course, still have to pay my bills and stop at red lights. "Everyone has problems." Hmm.
Don't forget, you can work to resolve all of your "problems" by participating actively in psychotherapeutic modalities while the biological depression is still present and being worked on. In other words, why wait until your biological depression goes away before dealing with psychological issues? If you do deal with them now - and it does take work - you will have less holding you back and antagonizing a biological remission once it arrives for you. I've been attending to my "problems" for years. They are almost all gone now. Ha ha! :-p I did the work.
I'm sorry, but it seems very obvious to me that not everyone with mental illness has a psychological problem. This may disappoint many people reading this. I hope not. Let's not project our "problems" onto others. Things make more sense that way.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 21:31:42
In reply to Re: Followl-Up On Magic Pill » linkadge, posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 21:14:58
> In other words, why wait until your biological depression goes away before dealing with psychological issues?
Here's why:
For many people who are severely depressed, this becomes all but impossible. They would need to first struggle to find their way out of bed and stumble into the shower while leaving enough energy to open a box of cereal. If they are lucky, they might even be able to wash the plates. Of course, there is no need to do that if you instead take handfulls of dry cereal right from the box. People suffering from severe psychomotor retardation are barely able or completely unable to function well enough to take care of themselves. Attending to personal hygeine is a monumental accomplishment. Psychotherapy doesn't make much sense when someone is in this state. They are far too vegetative to participate actively and process information.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 21:56:48
In reply to Re: Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 21:31:42
Posted by linkadge on June 18, 2005, at 23:03:15
In reply to ^^^ I was responding to my own statement ^^^ (nm) » SLS, posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 21:56:48
"It is no delusion if you have no problems to begin with."
You totally lost me.
Linkadge
Posted by 4WD on June 18, 2005, at 23:27:32
In reply to Followl-Up On Magic Pill, posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2005, at 21:44:54
> Okay, now that we know that there is no "magic Pill" what would a pill do for you that would give it the magic properties? Mine would make me laugh, dance, run up and hug everybody, be happy just to be alive! Think about it and what would your "magic pill" do for you? Fondly, and magically Phillipa
Good question, Phillipa. My magic pill would have no side effects. It would make me go to sleep right away when I go to bed, sleep soundly for 8 hours, wake up totally refreshed and excited about my day ahead. It would make me enjoy a job and give me enough energy to do it well and still come home and work in the garden, etc. It would give me a feeling of calm centeredness and take away my obsession with how I am feeling. It would make me feel motivated from the inside. It would allow me to enjoy the small pleasures in life and experience enthusiasm. It would have me going to bed at night looking forward to the next day.In short, it would take away my depression and anxiety without side effects.
Marsha
Posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 23:35:09
In reply to Re: ^^^ I was responding to my own statement ^^^, posted by linkadge on June 18, 2005, at 23:03:15
> "It is no delusion if you have no problems to begin with."
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> You totally lost me.
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> Linkadge
It's after midnight here. I think I lost myself.
I was responding to what you said here:"But no, there is no magic pill that will take away all of your problems. That I would agree is a delusion."
What if you have no problems to take away?
- Scott
Posted by linkadge on June 19, 2005, at 0:06:24
In reply to Re: Follow-Up On Magic Pill » linkadge, posted by SLS on June 18, 2005, at 23:35:09
That, of course depends on what your definition of a problem is.
Problems can be as small as the annoyance of a hangnail, or as large as a Tsunami wiping out your family.
If you think that you have no problems, take heart, that mentality will sooner or later become problematic :)
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on June 19, 2005, at 7:55:24
In reply to Re: Follow-Up On Magic Pill, posted by linkadge on June 19, 2005, at 0:06:24
> > I was responding to what you said here:
> > "But no, there is no magic pill that will take away all of your problems. That I would agree is a delusion."
What if you have no problems to take away?
> That, of course depends on what your definition of a problem is.
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> Problems can be as small as the annoyance of a hangnail, or as large as a Tsunami wiping out your family.
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> If you think that you have no problems, take heart, that mentality will sooner or later become problematic :)I don't think so.
Like I said, I still have to pay bills and stop for red lights. I never once looked towards a pill to obsolve me of these responsibilities. I still have to deal with and grieve for loss. I still make adjustments in the way I interact with the world around me to better suit my needs and goals. However, I do not look to a pill to process these challenges. None of these things do I deem "problems". They do not rise to the threshold of pathology nor in some way hinder me psychologically or impact negatively on the quality of my life. They are an every day part of the human adventure, both good and bad. I am not stuck. I am truly blessed to have been able to move forward, despite the affective disorder that makes it so much harder to do so. I have no problems.
I know, I know - "But everyone has problems!". Perhaps, but I have no problems dealing with them - not even when I fail. I have no problems. Now, give me my magic pills and let me show you.
When you continually speak of those "problems" of yours that impact negatively on the quality of your life and that you don't feel a pill can remedy, what exactly are you referring to?
- Scott
Posted by linkadge on June 19, 2005, at 16:06:20
In reply to Re: Follow-Up On Magic Pill » linkadge, posted by SLS on June 19, 2005, at 7:55:24
As long as your definition fits your description, I can't argue.
But I would say that it is impossable for an individual to experience a life-time free of some sort of emotional discomfort.
Linkadge
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