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Posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2005, at 20:15:37
In reply to Re: Midnightblue, posted by Maxime on April 9, 2005, at 19:12:07
I've had mine tested in January[when in hospital] by three different labs. All had slightly different ranges but all put me in the lower end of normal. I think if you still feel hypothyroid something else is going on. Like I had an MRI which showed a small tumor on the pituitary gland. Everyone, who read it said not to worry about it. So it was never addressed. It wasn't growing so they basically didn't care. I also had one done last summer that had showed it. I don't think even the endocrinologists can explain why some of us feel like we do, especially if they see a psych background. Now I've got to go clean up this leaking ick! Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Spriggy on April 9, 2005, at 21:13:59
In reply to Re: Midnightblue » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2005, at 20:15:37
Well, I know my last results (although the nurse wouldn't tell me over the phone yesterday WHAT they were without talking to the doctor) were "abnormal" and thus that is why he sending me to the endocronologist. I Just want to KNOW what my own results are. Why can't I have my OWN INFORMATION without having to go make a stinking appointment with my gp first?
It annoys me to no length.. just like the heart monitor results- I still have no clue what they were. My doctor just sends me the results in the mail about 2 weeks after the tests are performed, even when they are abnormal. Makes me crazy!
Anyway, that's a whole other rant..
But I found it interesting over at psyched my husband has been reading how sometimes people are diagnosed with bipolar (becuase of the rapid cycling) and really they have an underlying thyroid problem that is going untreated.
I can't help but wonder if that's my case since all these brain drugs really aren't helping me.
And, up until December, I had never experienced anything like this in my life. I lived a normal, stable life. Then BAM! I had a traumatic experience with my dad, I got a bad infection (white count was very high), had a panic attack, got put on Lexapro- whacked out, and I have NOT been the same since. This has been almost 4 months now.
Can a person just suddenly become bipolar 2?
My dad is bipolar and my mom has hypothyroid so either way I go, I'm doomed. LOL
I have a great gene pool. *smirk*
Posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2005, at 21:36:22
In reply to interesting stuff, posted by Spriggy on April 9, 2005, at 21:13:59
It sounds so much like what happened to me. The infection, can't expand chest to breath, depression, and anxiety off the charts. Dx Hashimotos Thyroiditis. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by MidnightBlue on April 9, 2005, at 22:21:33
In reply to Midnightblue, posted by Spriggy on April 9, 2005, at 13:37:30
I don't know. I think I have those results somewhere, but don't remember where. I hope to have my insurance card in the next couple of weeks and I'm sure they will be running another thyroid test.
Posted by MidnightBlue on April 9, 2005, at 22:34:52
In reply to Re: Midnightblue, posted by Maxime on April 9, 2005, at 19:12:07
OKAY, I found my thyroid test from May of 2003. It was T-4 free 1.2 and TSH 2.07 so if that is still valid, I've got no excuse thyroid-wise! I don't think I've had a test since.
Oh, one other little note, MANY years ago when I was about 10 I had radiation several times to a scar on my chin, and I do NOT think the machine properly shielded my thyroid.
Posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2005, at 23:29:12
In reply to Re: interesting stuff » Spriggy, posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2005, at 21:36:22
They probably didn't at that time. You very well could have the beginning of thyroid disease. My guess would be that it would be hypothyroidism. If the radiation is destroying it. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by tealady on April 10, 2005, at 0:37:15
In reply to My latest TSH level, posted by KaraS on April 5, 2005, at 19:45:12
Kara what were your FT4 and FT3 (free levels?) Can you get them?
TSH is influenced by too many things.. pdrugs I'd expect to influence, how exactly I've no idea, but I've seen some posters on the thyroid forum who seem to know about some of them...lots of things feedback to TSH..cortisol lowers it, aspirin, alcohol, your sleep, would affect it etc..That how it's supposed to work
FT3 and Ft4 ain't perfect but at least they tell you the free levels in your blood...how the hormones work of course depends on the receptors and level of other things in your blood as well, sighStaying on a beginning dose too long is a mistake made by many.
Whether one can "get away" with it depends on how the feedback works to the pit, hypothalamus..and yes, in theory, the TSH should reflect this..in practise it doesn't seem to in many.For me 50mcg felt like it totally shut down my own thyroid production..I went way more hypo.
But I was too hypo to go and get a blood test at the time..or even work out what to do about it. So I stopped the meds and about a month later managed to crawl(literally) into an antiaging docs office..who has said she wisghes she had a photo of me then to do the before/after shots. I looked worse than the myxodema pics I've seen on the net.
You don't seem that bad :-))For some , adding a small amount of T4 or T3 can just augment their own thyroid with very little or no decrease in their own thyroid's output..lucky huh? ..apparently little feedback
In theory I think I'd expect the increased small dose (yes, 50mcg is a small dose) should reduce your own thyroid's output by the same amount after about 12 weeks or so...so the TSH should be similar to before starting if that is the case...never heard of this happening though
Usually most need a full replacement dose after a while..at least 100mcg t4..or 75 mcg T4 & 5mcg T4, minimum. Up to 200mcg T4 is pretty usual. A typical dose might be say 100mcg t4 and 7.5mcgT3. Just giving you a comparison here.
Your final dose should depend on your test results AND your symptoms, includings thiing like basal temperature, pulse, blood pressure etc.
It's probably best to aim for a TSH of around the 1.0 for starters and see how you feel from there. Test your TSH, Ft4, Ft3 first thing in the morning before meds for "best" results (highest TSH then)..oh and day 14 of cycle maybe too.(estrogen binds thyroid hormones).Zinc helps with thyroid hormone utilisation(which is how thyroid hormones work with receptors etc regardless of the levels)..small amounts like 8 - 15mcg a day,
as does selenium say 75mcg a day etc.Jan
Posted by Cecilia on April 10, 2005, at 3:20:48
In reply to Re: Midnightblue » Spriggy, posted by Phillipa on April 9, 2005, at 17:06:23
A lot of labs and doctors are still way behind the times in terms of thyroid. The American Academy of Clinical Endocrinologists changed normal for TSH to .3 to 3 a while ago but the lab at my HMO STILL lists up to 5.5 as normal and the GP`s go by that. Dealing with doctors is such a pain-you have to massage their precious egos so carefully to get what you need. Cecilia
Posted by ladyofthelamp on April 10, 2005, at 4:19:39
In reply to Re: TSH normals, posted by Cecilia on April 10, 2005, at 3:20:48
> A lot of labs and doctors are still way behind the times in terms of thyroid. The American Academy of Clinical Endocrinologists changed normal for TSH to .3 to 3 a while ago but the lab at my HMO STILL lists up to 5.5 as normal and the GP`s go by that. Dealing with doctors is such a pain-you have to massage their precious egos so carefully to get what you need. Cecilia
Dealing with docs is a pain,but i find that if you insist on something being done without resorting to outright rudeness they tend to respond.I said to my doctor that if they didn't do anything then i would have to get a second opinion,they seemed to try a bit harder then!.Put everything in writing aswell as you have more clout then.I went to see a female GP in my practice who was alot more helpful and had a fresh outlook on my problems and instead of saying i needed to change my psych drugs(which never work anyway)she tried every concievable test to find out what was wrong and said if they still came back normal she wouldn't give up.Maybe i have just been very lucky
My TSH jumped from 2.95 to 20.9 in 4 months so testing regularly has to be a good idea.In UK 4.25 is considered the cut off point.Sorry this is so long and maybe strays off the point but i feel better already after just 3 thyroxine(probably going manic for the first time in two years!!!!)
Posted by KaraS on April 10, 2005, at 18:22:13
In reply to Re: My latest TSH level » KaraS, posted by tealady on April 9, 2005, at 5:54:52
Hi Jan,
> Kara what were your FT4 and FT3 (free levels?) Can you get them?
I doubt they even did those tests. This was a free clinic so you get the minimum. A couple of years ago I had a full panel done by a holistically oriented physician and all levels were normal. Nothing much has changed for me in terms of symptoms so I have a feeling all of my other thyroid tests would be normal. As soon as I have insurance, I will get more thorough testing though.
> TSH is influenced by too many things.. pdrugs I'd expect to influence, how exactly I've no idea, but I've seen some posters on the thyroid forum who seem to know about some of them...lots of things feedback to TSH..cortisol lowers it, aspirin, alcohol, your sleep, would affect it etc..That how it's supposed to work
Also, someone else posted to me that ADs can decrease free T3. I think you really do need to get more systemic testing to get the full picture of what's going on. I don't know why they only do thyroid testing in a vacuum.
> FT3 and Ft4 ain't perfect but at least they tell you the free levels in your blood...how the hormones work of course depends on the receptors and level of other things in your blood as well, sigh
>
> Staying on a beginning dose too long is a mistake made by many.
> Whether one can "get away" with it depends on how the feedback works to the pit, hypothalamus..and yes, in theory, the TSH should reflect this..in practise it doesn't seem to in many.
>
> For me 50mcg felt like it totally shut down my own thyroid production..I went way more hypo.
> But I was too hypo to go and get a blood test at the time..or even work out what to do about it. So I stopped the meds and about a month later managed to crawl(literally) into an antiaging docs office..who has said she wisghes she had a photo of me then to do the before/after shots. I looked worse than the myxodema pics I've seen on the net.Wow, that does sound really bad. I've never been that hypo.
> You don't seem that bad :-))
>
> For some , adding a small amount of T4 or T3 can just augment their own thyroid with very little or no decrease in their own thyroid's output..lucky huh? ..apparently little feedback
>
> In theory I think I'd expect the increased small dose (yes, 50mcg is a small dose) should reduce your own thyroid's output by the same amount after about 12 weeks or so...so the TSH should be similar to before starting if that is the case...never heard of this happening though
>
> Usually most need a full replacement dose after a while..at least 100mcg t4..or 75 mcg T4 & 5mcg T4, minimum. Up to 200mcg T4 is pretty usual. A typical dose might be say 100mcg t4 and 7.5mcgT3. Just giving you a comparison here.
> Your final dose should depend on your test results AND your symptoms, includings thiing like basal temperature, pulse, blood pressure etc.
> It's probably best to aim for a TSH of around the 1.0 for starters and see how you feel from there. Test your TSH, Ft4, Ft3 first thing in the morning before meds for "best" results (highest TSH then)..oh and day 14 of cycle maybe too.(estrogen binds thyroid hormones).
>Yes, I think that aiming for a TSH of 1.0 makes sense. I have taken the same dosage of thyroid hormone for over 6 years now. I've always continued to have hypo symptoms even when I took the Armour. I wish I could use the home tests that you send out to the labs. Unfortunately, in California you have to have a doctor's prescription to use these home tests. Most other states here allow it. I would have to use basal temperature, pulse and energy/mood level and anxiety levels as my only guides. I could purchase a blood pressure monitor as well.
The test I just had done was completed before I took my thyroid med that day.
> Zinc helps with thyroid hormone utilisation(which is how thyroid hormones work with receptors etc regardless of the levels)..small amounts like 8 - 15mcg a day,
> as does selenium say 75mcg a day etc.I'm covered in the zinc and selenium departments.
Thanks for all of your input, Jan. Hope you're doing well.
Kara
Posted by KaraS on April 10, 2005, at 18:24:18
In reply to Re: TSH normals, posted by Cecilia on April 10, 2005, at 3:20:48
> A lot of labs and doctors are still way behind the times in terms of thyroid. The American Academy of Clinical Endocrinologists changed normal for TSH to .3 to 3 a while ago but the lab at my HMO STILL lists up to 5.5 as normal and the GP`s go by that. Dealing with doctors is such a pain-you have to massage their precious egos so carefully to get what you need. Cecilia
Ain't it the truth! Most of them are in the dark ages when it comes to thyroid treatment.k
Posted by KaraS on April 10, 2005, at 18:30:25
In reply to Re: TSH normals, posted by ladyofthelamp on April 10, 2005, at 4:19:39
> > A lot of labs and doctors are still way behind the times in terms of thyroid. The American Academy of Clinical Endocrinologists changed normal for TSH to .3 to 3 a while ago but the lab at my HMO STILL lists up to 5.5 as normal and the GP`s go by that. Dealing with doctors is such a pain-you have to massage their precious egos so carefully to get what you need. Cecilia
>
> Dealing with docs is a pain,but i find that if you insist on something being done without resorting to outright rudeness they tend to respond.I said to my doctor that if they didn't do anything then i would have to get a second opinion,they seemed to try a bit harder then!.Put everything in writing aswell as you have more clout then.I went to see a female GP in my practice who was alot more helpful and had a fresh outlook on my problems and instead of saying i needed to change my psych drugs(which never work anyway)she tried every concievable test to find out what was wrong and said if they still came back normal she wouldn't give up.Maybe i have just been very lucky
> My TSH jumped from 2.95 to 20.9 in 4 months so testing regularly has to be a good idea.In UK 4.25 is considered the cut off point.Sorry this is so long and maybe strays off the point but i feel better already after just 3 thyroxine(probably going manic for the first time in two years!!!!)
I would think that threatening to get a second opinion could work either way. They might get defensive and say "Fine, get your second opinion." I'm glad it worked for you though. What do you mean by getting it in writing? What would you write and would you insist it be added to your chart?You really had a huge TSH jump in a short period of time. I can imagine you would feel a lot better with some thyroid hormone in your system.
K
Posted by Phillipa on April 10, 2005, at 18:39:03
In reply to Re: TSH normals » ladyofthelamp, posted by KaraS on April 10, 2005, at 18:30:25
That's what happened to me with the Hashimotos. One week it was within normal ranges and the next week it was 22. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by ladyofthelamp on April 11, 2005, at 3:43:34
In reply to Re: TSH normals » ladyofthelamp, posted by KaraS on April 10, 2005, at 18:30:25
> > > A lot of labs and doctors are still way behind the times in terms of thyroid. The American Academy of Clinical Endocrinologists changed normal for TSH to .3 to 3 a while ago but the lab at my HMO STILL lists up to 5.5 as normal and the GP`s go by that. Dealing with doctors is such a pain-you have to massage their precious egos so carefully to get what you need. Cecilia
> >
> > Dealing with docs is a pain,but i find that if you insist on something being done without resorting to outright rudeness they tend to respond.I said to my doctor that if they didn't do anything then i would have to get a second opinion,they seemed to try a bit harder then!.Put everything in writing aswell as you have more clout then.I went to see a female GP in my practice who was alot more helpful and had a fresh outlook on my problems and instead of saying i needed to change my psych drugs(which never work anyway)she tried every concievable test to find out what was wrong and said if they still came back normal she wouldn't give up.Maybe i have just been very lucky
> > My TSH jumped from 2.95 to 20.9 in 4 months so testing regularly has to be a good idea.In UK 4.25 is considered the cut off point.Sorry this is so long and maybe strays off the point but i feel better already after just 3 thyroxine(probably going manic for the first time in two years!!!!)
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> I would think that threatening to get a second opinion could work either way. They might get defensive and say "Fine, get your second opinion." I'm glad it worked for you though. What do you mean by getting it in writing? What would you write and would you insist it be added to your chart?
>
> You really had a huge TSH jump in a short period of time. I can imagine you would feel a lot better with some thyroid hormone in your system.
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> KHi again.I didn't threaten to get a second opinion as i don't think that would be very productive!:-).I just kept telling them how bad i felt and because all 3 of my immediate family are hypothyroid,i told them that i couldn't rest until i had been tested properly.I think writing letters with your concerns about results and your symptoms over time is a good idea as Doctors have a habit of homing in on one symptom to the exclusion of others(in my case thirst).They can always say you didn't tell them something important when you did all along.I think writing letters is very therapeutic(even if you don't send them).As i am sure everyone is aware,hypothyroid problems can make you forgetful and slow your mental processes down,so when i saw my Endo i kept forgetting to tell him things and was dismissed as being fine,as i had good colour in my cheeks!!!!!!!!!!!.You will have to excuse any angry overtones in my messages please as it is not how i mean to sound,but i am a little bit cross at the moment with the medical world in general.Really i am easy going and only stood up to the Doctors because i was so desperate that i had planned my suicide!Best wishes to everyone.
Posted by tealady on April 11, 2005, at 5:28:54
In reply to Re: My latest TSH level Spriggy and Maxime, posted by ladyofthelamp on April 8, 2005, at 13:15:15
> When i was tested and the results were 2.95 my endo told me i definitley wasn't hypothyroid.At the time my main symptom was tiredness and extreme thirst plus bone pains.All 3 of my immediate family are hypothyroid so as you can imagine i was still thinking that the problem was with my thyroid.I was to be tsted for DI but being the NHS a bed has not yet been available so as i was getting more and more ill e.g low body temp(96.2)weird throat feelings,cough,fatigue,headaches,bone pains,heavy periods etc,i decided to get my GP to do more tests and surprise surprise i am hypo!
> I took my first thyroxine tablet today but i still have to have other investigations re the thirst.I am relieved to have a partial answer to my symptoms after years on Effexor,prozac etc.I have a mental health history(no formal diagnosis as such)and am sick of doctors thinking it was all in my mind.Oh by the way i am 36 and feeling about 80.I will write a bit more later so thanks for your messages and interest.Hi There,
With your TSH up over 20 at least maybe your hypothamaus and pituitary are working..thinking positive here!yes I've heard of jumps like, often enough for it to be "normal"
Did you change anything else med wise at all in that time?
I have hashimoto's atibodies too..and I also have that extreme thirst (and no ADH on 2 blood tests so far(one random , one after fasting and water fasting overnite), but also haven't got into a hospital as yet for a DI test. I tried adding estrogen/progesterone and my body seemed to retain more water and I wasn't so dehydrated or desperately thirsty so I postponed the hospital. It took 6 months to see the endo and I was fiddling in the meantime. Please let me know how you go re the thirst especially!.Your TSH going so high is a good sign as far as ADH goes anyway as the ADH is made in the hypothalamus and pitutary..like TSH
Also TSH varies over the 24 hr cycle(a few points apparently , although mine doesn't seem to that much). Its best to test early in the morning before meds and on your highest estrogen day (about day 14 or a few days after)..as this should "theoretically" give you one of your highest TSH readings (which docs think are good as far as providing treatment goes anyway)
good luck with everything
Jan
Posted by ladyofthelamp on April 11, 2005, at 14:07:57
In reply to Re: My latest TSH level Spriggy and Maxime » ladyofthelamp, posted by tealady on April 11, 2005, at 5:28:54
> > When i was tested and the results were 2.95 my endo told me i definitley wasn't hypothyroid.At the time my main symptom was tiredness and extreme thirst plus bone pains.All 3 of my immediate family are hypothyroid so as you can imagine i was still thinking that the problem was with my thyroid.I was to be tsted for DI but being the NHS a bed has not yet been available so as i was getting more and more ill e.g low body temp(96.2)weird throat feelings,cough,fatigue,headaches,bone pains,heavy periods etc,i decided to get my GP to do more tests and surprise surprise i am hypo!
> > I took my first thyroxine tablet today but i still have to have other investigations re the thirst.I am relieved to have a partial answer to my symptoms after years on Effexor,prozac etc.I have a mental health history(no formal diagnosis as such)and am sick of doctors thinking it was all in my mind.Oh by the way i am 36 and feeling about 80.I will write a bit more later so thanks for your messages and interest.
>
> Hi There,
> With your TSH up over 20 at least maybe your hypothamaus and pituitary are working..thinking positive here!
>
> yes I've heard of jumps like, often enough for it to be "normal"
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> Did you change anything else med wise at all in that time?
> I have hashimoto's atibodies too..and I also have that extreme thirst (and no ADH on 2 blood tests so far(one random , one after fasting and water fasting overnite), but also haven't got into a hospital as yet for a DI test. I tried adding estrogen/progesterone and my body seemed to retain more water and I wasn't so dehydrated or desperately thirsty so I postponed the hospital. It took 6 months to see the endo and I was fiddling in the meantime. Please let me know how you go re the thirst especially!.
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> Your TSH going so high is a good sign as far as ADH goes anyway as the ADH is made in the hypothalamus and pitutary..like TSH
>
> Also TSH varies over the 24 hr cycle(a few points apparently , although mine doesn't seem to that much). Its best to test early in the morning before meds and on your highest estrogen day (about day 14 or a few days after)..as this should "theoretically" give you one of your highest TSH readings (which docs think are good as far as providing treatment goes anyway)
>
> good luck with everything
> Jan
>Hi,it is good to hear of someone else with thirst(although not so good for you:-))plus thyroid problems as i haven't seen the two mentioned together.I stopped taking Effexor last year and the test of TSH was at 2.95 then.I had taken it for 4 years.I knew my problems were more physical but my first G.p didn't agree.My second test of 20.9 was after 5 months completely drug free.I had my test on the 9th day of my cycle so it could have potentially been higher still!!
I too would be interested to hear how you get on in the water dep test.I wonder who will get an appointment first?!!.I haven't been tested for Adh by blood test or urine or whatever else they do.I don't quite understand the workings of the hypothalmus or pituitary yet but i am on the case.I wish you all the luck in the world...Amanda
> Oh by the way i tested negative for thyroid antibodies
Posted by KaraS on April 11, 2005, at 22:45:47
In reply to Re: TSH normals, posted by ladyofthelamp on April 11, 2005, at 3:43:34
> > > > A lot of labs and doctors are still way behind the times in terms of thyroid. The American Academy of Clinical Endocrinologists changed normal for TSH to .3 to 3 a while ago but the lab at my HMO STILL lists up to 5.5 as normal and the GP`s go by that. Dealing with doctors is such a pain-you have to massage their precious egos so carefully to get what you need. Cecilia
> > >
> > > Dealing with docs is a pain,but i find that if you insist on something being done without resorting to outright rudeness they tend to respond.I said to my doctor that if they didn't do anything then i would have to get a second opinion,they seemed to try a bit harder then!.Put everything in writing aswell as you have more clout then.I went to see a female GP in my practice who was alot more helpful and had a fresh outlook on my problems and instead of saying i needed to change my psych drugs(which never work anyway)she tried every concievable test to find out what was wrong and said if they still came back normal she wouldn't give up.Maybe i have just been very lucky
> > > My TSH jumped from 2.95 to 20.9 in 4 months so testing regularly has to be a good idea.In UK 4.25 is considered the cut off point.Sorry this is so long and maybe strays off the point but i feel better already after just 3 thyroxine(probably going manic for the first time in two years!!!!)
> >
> >
> > I would think that threatening to get a second opinion could work either way. They might get defensive and say "Fine, get your second opinion." I'm glad it worked for you though. What do you mean by getting it in writing? What would you write and would you insist it be added to your chart?
> >
> > You really had a huge TSH jump in a short period of time. I can imagine you would feel a lot better with some thyroid hormone in your system.
> >
> > K
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> Hi again.I didn't threaten to get a second opinion as i don't think that would be very productive!:-).I just kept telling them how bad i felt and because all 3 of my immediate family are hypothyroid,i told them that i couldn't rest until i had been tested properly.I think writing letters with your concerns about results and your symptoms over time is a good idea as Doctors have a habit of homing in on one symptom to the exclusion of others(in my case thirst).They can always say you didn't tell them something important when you did all along.I think writing letters is very therapeutic(even if you don't send them).As i am sure everyone is aware,hypothyroid problems can make you forgetful and slow your mental processes down,so when i saw my Endo i kept forgetting to tell him things and was dismissed as being fine,as i had good colour in my cheeks!!!!!!!!!!!.You will have to excuse any angry overtones in my messages please as it is not how i mean to sound,but i am a little bit cross at the moment with the medical world in general.Really i am easy going and only stood up to the Doctors because i was so desperate that i had planned my suicide!Best wishes to everyone.
I understand completely. What you did makes a lot of sense (aside from being therapeutic for you).Take care,
Kara
Posted by Daky on April 12, 2005, at 7:23:24
In reply to here is what I just found on TSH levels, posted by Spriggy on April 8, 2005, at 13:19:09
Hi Spriggy,
Yes, you can swing from hyPER to hyPO and back if you have antibodies indicating Hashimoto's Thyroidits. Also, while most people gain weight while hypo there are exceptions. You need further blood tests, including antibodies and ideally a Free T3 and Free T4 test to determine the amount of thyroid hormone that are bioavailable for your cells to use.About.com-thyroid is one of the best on the net, including their list of "Top Docs" by state.
Hope you get this sorted out soon.
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Posted by Daky on April 12, 2005, at 7:30:53
In reply to Re: here is what I just found on TSH levels, posted by KaraS on April 8, 2005, at 22:04:51
TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) is a pituitary hormone which is sent out to the thyroid asking it to increase its production of thryoid hormone. It's a negative feedback loop so the higher the TSH the lower the level of thyroid hormone. So yes, your friends doc is correct in his/her explanation.
Posted by Daky on April 12, 2005, at 7:32:36
In reply to Re: Anyone - For both Maxime and Spriggy » TamaraJ, posted by MidnightBlue on April 8, 2005, at 23:34:20
Many other conditions can mimic low thyroid. For women, low ovarian hormone and low iron are two of the big culprits.
Posted by Daky on April 12, 2005, at 7:35:58
In reply to Re: Midnightblue, posted by Maxime on April 9, 2005, at 19:12:07
People can have hypo symptoms years before the blood tests relect the changes. Read up on Broda Barnes and his treatment of thryoid based on symptoms and blood tests. Today's docs are relying way to much on blood tests and are not looking/listening to their patients.
Some good books:
Dr. Arem's The Thyroid Solution
Mary Shomon's Living Well with Hypothyroidism
Posted by ladyofthelamp on April 12, 2005, at 11:16:00
In reply to Re: Midnightblue, posted by Daky on April 12, 2005, at 7:35:58
> People can have hypo symptoms years before the blood tests relect the changes. Read up on Broda Barnes and his treatment of thryoid based on symptoms and blood tests. Today's docs are relying way to much on blood tests and are not looking/listening to their patients.
>
> Some good books:
> Dr. Arem's The Thyroid Solution
> Mary Shomon's Living Well with Hypothyroidism
>
Has anyone looked at Wilson's Thyroid Syndrome now that is interesting.I know without a shadow of a doubt that i have had Hypo symptoms for approx 3 years or more and my tests have only just gone pear shaped.It seems that low basal body temps cause the symptoms.It was only when i mentioned my low body temp to my G.P(96.2) that they really sat up and took notice.A good thyroid website for the UK is www.thyroiduk.org.It has useful groups around the country and recommended doctors who deal with hard to diagnose cases.This site made me feel that even if no one else would listen,then there was still someone to turn to.Hope that is useful to someone!.I totally agree that doctors do not listen to symptoms and rely on test results which is really sad and causes unnecessary suffering.
Posted by ladyofthelamp on April 12, 2005, at 11:22:31
In reply to Re: My latest TSH level Spriggy and Maxime » ladyofthelamp, posted by tealady on April 11, 2005, at 5:28:54
> > When i was tested and the results were 2.95 my endo told me i definitley wasn't hypothyroid.At the time my main symptom was tiredness and extreme thirst plus bone pains.All 3 of my immediate family are hypothyroid so as you can imagine i was still thinking that the problem was with my thyroid.I was to be tsted for DI but being the NHS a bed has not yet been available so as i was getting more and more ill e.g low body temp(96.2)weird throat feelings,cough,fatigue,headaches,bone pains,heavy periods etc,i decided to get my GP to do more tests and surprise surprise i am hypo!
> > I took my first thyroxine tablet today but i still have to have other investigations re the thirst.I am relieved to have a partial answer to my symptoms after years on Effexor,prozac etc.I have a mental health history(no formal diagnosis as such)and am sick of doctors thinking it was all in my mind.Oh by the way i am 36 and feeling about 80.I will write a bit more later so thanks for your messages and interest.
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> Hi There,
> With your TSH up over 20 at least maybe your hypothamaus and pituitary are working..thinking positive here!
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> yes I've heard of jumps like, often enough for it to be "normal"
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> Did you change anything else med wise at all in that time?
> I have hashimoto's atibodies too..and I also have that extreme thirst (and no ADH on 2 blood tests so far(one random , one after fasting and water fasting overnite), but also haven't got into a hospital as yet for a DI test. I tried adding estrogen/progesterone and my body seemed to retain more water and I wasn't so dehydrated or desperately thirsty so I postponed the hospital. It took 6 months to see the endo and I was fiddling in the meantime. Please let me know how you go re the thirst especially!.
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> Your TSH going so high is a good sign as far as ADH goes anyway as the ADH is made in the hypothalamus and pitutary..like TSH
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> Also TSH varies over the 24 hr cycle(a few points apparently , although mine doesn't seem to that much). Its best to test early in the morning before meds and on your highest estrogen day (about day 14 or a few days after)..as this should "theoretically" give you one of your highest TSH readings (which docs think are good as far as providing treatment goes anyway)
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> good luck with everything
> Jan
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> Hi just to let you know that i have got a hospital appointment for the water deprivation test +aldosterone etc.I go in on Thursday and i will let you know what happens if you like.I thought i might aswell have all the tests even though i do feel considerably better on thyroxine.I hope everything is alright with you?
regards Amanda
Posted by ediebz on April 22, 2005, at 17:39:02
In reply to Re: TSH normals, posted by Cecilia on April 10, 2005, at 3:20:48
ok i realize this thread died a few days ago but, i have a question. my thyroid levels were 43 about a year and half ago. my son was about 7 months old (i have heard of post-partum hypo). they put me on synthroid i took it and felt great for a few weeks then started feeling yucky again. i had a thyroid check and it was to low. so they lowered the dosage i went and had it checked and it was to high again (but only by a few points). readjusted my meds and again i felt great for a little while then the poopy feeling came back. well i have three kids and go to school and i couldn't handle the ups and downs and decided to quit taking my meds (i know bad me) until summer and maybe i could get it straightened out then. i have not taken a single thyroid med in three months. wednesday i had it tested (the whole summer thing) and i called for the results today and get this, its .9! ummmm hello what the heck is up with that? i was told that if you had a thyroid problem it was a forever kinda thing. i don't get it anyone have any insight?
thanks,
ediebz
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 23, 2005, at 14:12:39
In reply to Re: TSH normals, posted by ediebz on April 22, 2005, at 17:39:02
> i was told that if you had a thyroid problem it was a forever kinda thing. i don't get it anyone have any insight?
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding thyroid problems to Psycho-Babble Health. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/health/20050411/msgs/488351.html
Thanks,
Bob
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