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Re: I'm here » TamaraJ

Posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 12:59:53

In reply to Re: I'm here » Sarah T., posted by TamaraJ on March 25, 2005, at 12:43:23

Thanks!!!


- Scott

 

Re: I'm here » TamaraJ

Posted by Sarah T. on March 26, 2005, at 0:49:41

In reply to Re: I'm here » Sarah T., posted by TamaraJ on March 25, 2005, at 12:43:23

Wow! Thank you so much, Tamara! I really appreciate your help.

 

Re: I'm here » SLS

Posted by Sarah T. on March 26, 2005, at 1:14:53

In reply to Re: I'm here » Sarah T., posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 5:27:11

Hi Scott. Thanks so much for your reply. I might be interested in asking you more questions about Memantine in the future. For the next couple of months, I can't introduce too many new variables. I just need to keep things on an even keel for now. Every time I try a new medicine, it ends up being much more destabilizing than I anticipated. After reading many of your posts, it seems to me as if you have a pretty good doctor. I mean, your doctor seems to care and seems willing to work out the minutiae WITH you.

 

Re: I'm here » Sarah T.

Posted by SLS on March 26, 2005, at 6:37:35

In reply to Re: I'm here » SLS, posted by Sarah T. on March 26, 2005, at 1:14:53

> I can't introduce too many new variables. I just need to keep things on an even keel for now. Every time I try a new medicine, it ends up being much more destabilizing than I anticipated.

I know this scenario well.

Yuck.


- SLS

 

RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE

Posted by maxime on March 26, 2005, at 12:45:14

In reply to Re: I'm here, posted by RjLockhart98 on March 24, 2005, at 20:46:27

Will you go away!!!!! I asked you not to post to me or comment on any of my posts. Your topic of motivation was a dead give away and that fact that "implifying" is not a word and "But you choose that for yourself to what ever your experiencing" is structurally incorrect and "your" should be "you're".

Matt post all the over the board if you want. I don't care. BUT DO NOT POST TO ME! You crossed the line when you made comments on what you thought I would do like "taking an OD" or "slashing my wrists" and I will NOT tolerate it. You put me down all the time.

This is my second request asking you to leave me alone. The first time I was polite. Now I am just really pissed off.

Maxime


> I do not know much information about what is going on, so i do not know what references to refer to maybe help.
>
> Motivation in life for me is how i perceive it, to maybe help, you may want to give yourself positive suggestions, before you sleep. "Tommorow will be a big day", implifying to do something that you seem to avoid. But you choose that for yourself to what ever your experiencing. You do what you think it is best for you, i dont want to aggrevate what ever is happening.
>
> "The Ultimate secrets to Total Self-Confidence" by Dr. Robert Anthony helped me, if you want to briefly review it on google.com. It is not an expensive book. 6.95. But still you follow what you think is best.
>
> Follow your instinct.
>
> Ritch

 

Re: I'm here

Posted by TamaraJ on March 26, 2005, at 20:27:19

In reply to Re: I'm here » Sarah T., posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 5:27:11

Hi Scott,

> > > My doctor would like me to try acetyl L-carnitine. I'm thinking of adding to it folate and DHEA.

~~~~ If you don't mind my asking, I was just wondering why you have decided on DHEA and not Pregnenolone? I have been considering trialing Pregnenolone (apparently it is the precursor for DHEA and other hormones, and is sometimes referred as the grandmother of hormones or the super hormone) for a while now, but am curious if you think one might get better results from DHEA.

Thanks.

Tamara

 

Above message for SLS (nm) » TamaraJ

Posted by TamaraJ on March 26, 2005, at 22:34:09

In reply to Re: I'm here, posted by TamaraJ on March 26, 2005, at 20:27:19

 

Re: I'm here » TamaraJ

Posted by SLS on March 27, 2005, at 6:30:33

In reply to Re: I'm here, posted by TamaraJ on March 26, 2005, at 20:27:19

> Hi Scott,
>
> > > > My doctor would like me to try acetyl L-carnitine. I'm thinking of adding to it folate and DHEA.
>
> ~~~~ If you don't mind my asking, I was just wondering why you have decided on DHEA and not Pregnenolone?

The DHEA was my idea. I hadn't thought of pregnenolone. I guess anything macho-sounding (-androsterone) sounded good to me :-). I'll look into it.

Thanks.

Be well.

- Scott

 

Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE

Posted by djmmm on March 27, 2005, at 14:45:30

In reply to RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE, posted by maxime on March 26, 2005, at 12:45:14

> Will you go away!!!!! I asked you not to post to me or comment on any of my posts. Your topic of motivation was a dead give away and that fact that "implifying" is not a word and "But you choose that for yourself to what ever your experiencing" is structurally incorrect and "your" should be "you're".
>
> Matt post all the over the board if you want. I don't care. BUT DO NOT POST TO ME! You crossed the line when you made comments on what you thought I would do like "taking an OD" or "slashing my wrists" and I will NOT tolerate it. You put me down all the time.
>
> This is my second request asking you to leave me alone. The first time I was polite. Now I am just really pissed off.
>
> Maxime
>
>
> > I do not know much information about what is going on, so i do not know what references to refer to maybe help.
> >
> > Motivation in life for me is how i perceive it, to maybe help, you may want to give yourself positive suggestions, before you sleep. "Tommorow will be a big day", implifying to do something that you seem to avoid. But you choose that for yourself to what ever your experiencing. You do what you think it is best for you, i dont want to aggrevate what ever is happening.
> >
> > "The Ultimate secrets to Total Self-Confidence" by Dr. Robert Anthony helped me, if you want to briefly review it on google.com. It is not an expensive book. 6.95. But still you follow what you think is best.
> >
> > Follow your instinct.
> >
> > Ritch
>
>

It just doesn't make sense to me. You have COMPLETE control over what posts you read, and don't read.

Easy solution: Just DON'T read their responses. I don't know (or really care to know) what is going on, but it seems to me that if you ignore their responses, your problem will be solved.

 

Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE » djmmm

Posted by TamaraJ on March 27, 2005, at 17:21:50

In reply to Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE, posted by djmmm on March 27, 2005, at 14:45:30

~~~~ Yes, that is an easy solution. However, there is a principle here - that being respect. When one poster asks another poster not to post to them in any way or form, that request should be respected. IRL I would venture to say that continuing to ignore such a request could be considered as a form of harassment. That being said, a poster who has repeatedly asked another not to post to them can also bring the posts in question to the attention of Dr. Bob or one of the deputies (Dinah or Mark H), in Dr. Bob's absence.


> It just doesn't make sense to me. You have COMPLETE control over what posts you read, and don't read.
>
> Easy solution: Just DON'T read their responses. I don't know (or really care to know) what is going on, but it seems to me that if you id gnore their responses, your problem will be solved.
>
>

 

Re: I'm here » SLS

Posted by TamaraJ on March 27, 2005, at 17:25:46

In reply to Re: I'm here » TamaraJ, posted by SLS on March 27, 2005, at 6:30:33

Scott,

I haven't found much information yet on Pregnenolone, but here is what I have found so far, including a Babble post, FWIW (most of which is from sites that sell the supplement).

http://www.raysahelian.com/pregn.html

http://www.natural-health-care-products.com/pregnenolone.html

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030214/msgs/201315.html

http://www.cactusventures.com/webstuff3/pregnenolone.htm

http://www.reedsrx.com/women/chavez-dhea-pregnenolone.htm

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Pregnenolone - reducing stress and increasing productivity
by James South MA

Pregnenolone is a natural; body produced metabolite made from cholesterol. It is synthesized inside the mitochondria, the tiny "power plants" (up to 1000's per cell) found in each cell. Pregnenolone is the basic precursor, or starting raw material, for the production of ALL the human steroid hormones, including DHEA, progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, cortisol and aldosterone, but pregnenolone is not itself steroid hormone.

Pregnenolone has been studied extensively since the 1940's, when it was used both experimentally and medically. Experiments conducted in the 1940's and 1950's found pregnenolone to increase productivity and reduce the stress of factory workers, and to be an excellent anti-inflammatory in conditions such as, arthritis and allergies. Pregnenolone was phased out of medical use; yet ironically pregnenolone is radically safer and more versatile than the specific steroid hormones which replaced it! Pregnenolone is safe even at gram (1000mg) dosages, a claim no steroid hormone can make.

Several experiments conducted with mice in the 1990's have reopened interest in pregnenolone yet these experiments reveal just the "tip" of the ice-berg, while also revealing important clues to pregnenolone's action. In these recent experiments, mice were trained to run mazes to avoid electric shocks, pretreated with either pregnenolone or steroid hormones. A week later they were tested for their maze memory, and the pregnenolone treated rats prevailed. Any serious stressor (getting shocked, here) elicits the release of the adrenal stress steroid hormone- cortisol.

Cortisol is a stress hormone helpful in modest amounts, but toxic at higher levels. Both acute and chronic stress release cortisol and excess cortisol can damage the hippocampus, a mid-brain region essential to memory formation and retrieval. (This is only one of the many "dark side" effects of excess cortisol).

The mice experiment strongly suggests that pregnenolone is able to blunt the normal memory damaging effects of excess stress related cortisol.

Pregnenolone shows many of the benefits of cortisol, it reduces allergic reactions, lessens arthritis inflammation and produces a relaxing and mildly euphoric "stress buffer effect", without any of the negative side effects of cortisol.

Pregnenolone improves mood, and has a mild anti-depressant effect at doses of 50mg to 200mg per day, and also improves energy levels by protecting our energy producing mitochondria from toxins, which would otherwise damage the mitochondria.

Pregnenolone also enhances the activity of the cytochrome P450 detoxifying enzymes, which help our cells (especially the liver and brain) to detoxify poisons of all sorts, whether from the outside world, or our own metabolically produced toxins. Pregnenolone is generally safe and effective at doses of 25mg to 200mg per day.

The body's own production of pregnenolone is reduced with aging, stress, depression, hypothyroidism and toxin exposure. The work of Ray Peat Ph.D., has shown that pregnenolone may be a general "anti-stress" metabolite. However this may not always be present in our bodies at optimal levels, precisely because it may be used up in producing all the steroid hormones, not leaving enough to fulfill its stress buffer role. Hence the need for supplementation.

Anyone taking medically prescribed steroid hormones should NEVER try substituting pregnenolone for part or all of their steroid dosage, unless supervised by their prescribing physician.

Tamara

 

Re: I'm here __ Thanks! :-) (nm) » TamaraJ

Posted by SLS on March 27, 2005, at 20:08:10

In reply to Re: I'm here » SLS, posted by TamaraJ on March 27, 2005, at 17:25:46

 

Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE

Posted by Maxime on March 27, 2005, at 20:35:24

In reply to Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE » djmmm, posted by TamaraJ on March 27, 2005, at 17:21:50

Not to mention that then he sent me a Babble Mail.
Okay I was stalked once on a board. Stalked to the point where I had to MOVE and change my phone number. And no I was not suffering from paranoia. Now I know that isn't going to happen in this case, but it sure is stirring up some painful memories.

Maxime

 

Redirected to Admin. » Maxime

Posted by gardenergirl on March 28, 2005, at 1:11:05

In reply to Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE, posted by Maxime on March 27, 2005, at 20:35:24

I wanted to let you know that I redirected the aspects of this thread related to posting policies to Admin.

Here is a link to it.

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050323/msgs/476565.html

Also, Dr. Bob has a policy for dealing with Babblemail. If someone sends you one that is unwanted or if you perceive it as harrassing, you can forward it to him. Include the headers if you can. He can take it from there.

Please direct any further responses regarding this to the admin. thread.

Thanks,

gg


> Not to mention that then he sent me a Babble Mail.
> Okay I was stalked once on a board. Stalked to the point where I had to MOVE and change my phone number. And no I was not suffering from paranoia. Now I know that isn't going to happen in this case, but it sure is stirring up some painful memories.
>
> Maxime

 

Please follow the civility guidelines » RjLockhart98

Posted by Dinah on March 28, 2005, at 1:23:31

In reply to Re: I'm here, posted by RjLockhart98 on March 24, 2005, at 20:46:27

Which require that you not post to someone who has asked you not to post to them.

Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob.

If you have any questions about administrative policies, please redirect them to the administrative board.

 

Please follow the civility guidelines » maxime

Posted by Dinah on March 28, 2005, at 1:37:46

In reply to RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE, posted by maxime on March 26, 2005, at 12:45:14

Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob.

I understand that you're upset, but please follow the civility guidelines at

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Please be sensitive to the feelings of others even if yours are hurt. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Those guidelines apply to all posts, regardless of circumstances. But it is possible to handle things administratively.

If someone posts to you, and you have previously asked them not to post to you, you can post a link to the post, and to the post where you requested that they not post to you on the Administrative board, and it will be handled by Dr. Bob or a deputy. If you aren't familiar with posting links, just post a general description of what happened on the Admin board.

There are guidelines at the bottom of each Babblemail telling how to handle Babblemail that you feel abuses the privilege.

If you have any other questions about Administrative policies, please direct them to the Admin board.

Dinah

 

Re: Please follow the civility guidelines » Dinah

Posted by Maxime on March 28, 2005, at 23:11:03

In reply to Please follow the civility guidelines » maxime, posted by Dinah on March 28, 2005, at 1:37:46

Made to feel accused? I don't get it. I ask someone not to post to me and they do. I am not making them feel accused ... I AM accusing them because the evidence is there by the mere fact that they did not respect my wishes.

I have already taken up the situation with Dr. Bob and forwarded the Babble Mail that Matt sent me and if there was a future I would follow the civility guidelines. Thank you for explaining the proper protocol.

Maxime


> Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob.
>
> I understand that you're upset, but please follow the civility guidelines at
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Please be sensitive to the feelings of others even if yours are hurt. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Those guidelines apply to all posts, regardless of circumstances. But it is possible to handle things administratively.
>
> If someone posts to you, and you have previously asked them not to post to you, you can post a link to the post, and to the post where you requested that they not post to you on the Administrative board, and it will be handled by Dr. Bob or a deputy. If you aren't familiar with posting links, just post a general description of what happened on the Admin board.
>
> There are guidelines at the bottom of each Babblemail telling how to handle Babblemail that you feel abuses the privilege.
>
> If you have any other questions about Administrative policies, please direct them to the Admin board.
>
> Dinah
>
>

 

Re: Please follow the civility guidelines » Maxime

Posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2005, at 7:42:46

In reply to Re: Please follow the civility guidelines » Dinah, posted by Maxime on March 28, 2005, at 23:11:03

> Made to feel accused? I don't get it. I ask someone not to post to me and they do. I am not making them feel accused ... I AM accusing them because the evidence is there by the mere fact that they did not respect my wishes.

Maxime, in your "Here.....go to town" thread, you specifically told Matt that he could tell you what a pessimist you were, etc. That had the effect of cancelling your "Do not post to me, Matt" request.

You can't post to a person who cannot post to you, or the whole thing is off.

Lar

 

Re: Here.....go to town » Larry Hoover

Posted by Dr. Bob on March 29, 2005, at 8:11:15

In reply to Re: Please follow the civility guidelines » Maxime, posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2005, at 7:42:46

> Maxime, in your "Here.....go to town" thread, you specifically told Matt that he could tell you what a pessimist you were, etc.

Trying to get caught up here. Can you give me a link to that thread? Thanks,

Bob

 

Except that (Here, Dr. Bob)

Posted by Dinah on March 29, 2005, at 10:19:03

In reply to Re: Here.....go to town » Larry Hoover, posted by Dr. Bob on March 29, 2005, at 8:11:15

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050326/msgs/476439.html

Maxime's post telling Ritch to go to town was date stamped after Ritch posted to her when she asked him not to. It was a reply to his posting to her when she asked him not to, not retroactive permission to post to her.

 

Re: Except that (Here, Dr. Bob) » Dinah

Posted by Dinah on March 29, 2005, at 10:24:31

In reply to Except that (Here, Dr. Bob), posted by Dinah on March 29, 2005, at 10:19:03

RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE
Posted by maxime on March 26, 2005, at 12:45:14

Here ... go to town!
Posted by Maxime on March 27, 2005, at 20:50:59

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050322/msgs/475648.html

What I don't have is the URL to Maxime's original request not to post, and there may have been intervening posts by Maxime to Ritch (or Matt) that would have technically invalidated that request. I'm not aware of any.

 

Re: Here.....go to town » Dr. Bob

Posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2005, at 10:45:30

In reply to Re: Here.....go to town » Larry Hoover, posted by Dr. Bob on March 29, 2005, at 8:11:15

> > Maxime, in your "Here.....go to town" thread, you specifically told Matt that he could tell you what a pessimist you were, etc.
>
> Trying to get caught up here. Can you give me a link to that thread? Thanks,
>
> Bob

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050326/msgs/476439.html

If Dinah is right, and Matt's other posts came before this one, I think Matt broke the rules.

Maxime is also mentioning Babblemails in the admin discussion, but she would, of course, have to forward the headers to you, Dr. Bob.

I'm not sure she's up to managing all these conflicting pieces right now.

Lar

 

Re: My Thoughts On This

Posted by Mark H. on March 29, 2005, at 11:09:40

In reply to Re: Here.....go to town » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2005, at 10:45:30

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050317/msgs/473647.html

The above was Maxime's original request.

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050317/msgs/473781.html

Here is where I asked Matt/Ritch to please be civil and not post to Maxime.

I think both posters contributed to the misunderstanding, but whether to take action at this time is your call, Dr. Bob.

Mark H.

 

Re: My Thoughts On This

Posted by Maxime on March 29, 2005, at 12:22:12

In reply to Re: My Thoughts On This, posted by Mark H. on March 29, 2005, at 11:09:40

Here is the proper sequence:

My initial request Matt, March 21
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050317/msgs/473684.html

His response
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050317/msgs/473748.html

My second request to Ritch/Matt - March 26
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050326/msgs/475829.html

Received babble-mail from Matt on the 26th which I forwarded to Dr. Bob

My post where I mentioned Matt, March 27
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050326/msgs/476439.html

I did NOT post to him in the meantime nor did I respond to his Babble Mail. I was too busy hiding in my bed contemplating suicide. In fact, I didn’t post at all for a couple of days.

I'm tired.

Maxime

 

Re: Apology to Maxime and Addl Info for Dr. Bob

Posted by Mark H. on March 29, 2005, at 12:58:06

In reply to Re: My Thoughts On This, posted by Maxime on March 29, 2005, at 12:22:12

Dear Maxime,

Thank you for the clarification of sequence. I went back into the archives this morning and see that you had difficulty with Matt earlier this month as well.

Dr. Bob, here's where you asked Matt to please be civil with regards to his comments to Maxime on March 10:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050308/msgs/469480.html

I was unaware of this earlier exchange, or I would have blocked Matt instead of asking him to please be civil.

During your absence, Matt "[xxx]" changed his user-name to Ritch "[xxx]," in case you find the multiplicity of names confusing.

Since I am now officially off-duty, I'll leave it to Dr. Bob and Dinah to take whatever action they feel is appropriate.

And Maxime, with this additional information, I apologize for implying that you and Matt shared responsibility for the altercation.

My best wishes to you,

Mark H.


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