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Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 6, 2004, at 7:57:40
The Aftermath Of Prozac, Zoloft, Luvox, Fen-Phen, And Many Other Serotonergic Drugs.htm
Posted by pseudonym on October 6, 2004, at 12:17:20
In reply to This is the Scary Article I was referring to, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 6, 2004, at 7:57:40
You left out the link to the article.
Posted by JayDee on October 6, 2004, at 12:37:49
In reply to Re: This is the Scary Article I was referring to, posted by pseudonym on October 6, 2004, at 12:17:20
Google is your friend.
http://www.rense.com/general/pro.htm
It seems to me that most of the content of this article can be explained with simple logic.
based on my research, the SSRI's cause a ;blunting; of emotions in many people. Basically this means, to me, that if you wanted to do somthing before going on the drug, such as kill someone else, or your self and some emotional barrier (fear, remorse) was keeping you from doing it, then Prozac might help you do it.
But if you didn't want to do this in the first place, or at least you're an intellegent adult who can control yourself, there's probably not a problem.If they are so bad, why do some of the best docs out there continue to prescribe them? And what about the people who claim that Prozac has 'saved their life?'
Posted by FredPotter on October 6, 2004, at 19:06:32
In reply to Re: This is the Scary Article I was referring to, posted by JayDee on October 6, 2004, at 12:37:49
It's not written properly. No real scientist resorts to the word "terrible". The inferences seem flawed and the grammar is wrong. She seems to be a "scientist" who has spent 10 years trying to prove a prior belief. I wouldn't believe a word of it
Posted by francesco on October 7, 2004, at 8:46:42
In reply to Re: This is the Scary Article I was referring to, posted by JayDee on October 6, 2004, at 12:37:49
I agree with everything you said. On the other side I can't understand how blunting emotions can be considered a cure of depression. And it's not fun though.
Posted by nicky847 on October 7, 2004, at 13:14:29
In reply to Re: This is the Scary Article I was referring to » JayDee, posted by francesco on October 7, 2004, at 8:46:42
I dont think its blunting as much as it is balancing...I think people who suffer from depression don't really know what "normal" is..we tend to experience emotions more intensely than most people do.
> I agree with everything you said. On the other side I can't understand how blunting emotions can be considered a cure of depression. And it's not fun though.
Posted by invisiblemanpa on October 7, 2004, at 17:15:35
In reply to This is the Scary Article I was referring to, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 6, 2004, at 7:57:40
Sorry, I did not mean to post the article, just the web link...just type in the title in any search engine.....I only meant to list on this site as food for thought..sometimes I think I visit this site and others and am getting information overload and getting freaked out over it..I know what works for one often does not work for others.I am just searching for some help to get my life back..as I read that article, my underlying thought was how many of the "suicidal or violent episodes" people listed had much deeper mental health issues??
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Posted by artemiss on October 8, 2004, at 13:50:16
In reply to Re: This is the Scary Article I was referring to, posted by invisiblemanpa on October 7, 2004, at 17:15:35
More food for thought about this article:
The article generalizes too much. We don't have enough background information of the people who committed these crimes while on these meds. I do know that Phil Hartman's wife was on cocaine and alcohol when she killed him and herself, so the Zoloft cannot be directly blamed. Alcohol and street drugs are known and proven to cause severe depression and violent tendencies. And then Monica Lewinksy? What's that about-it caused her to go down on the president? What kind of crime or violence is that? Please. And Princess Di's limo driver was proven to have high doses of alcohol in his system when he crashed. He was drunk, and the meds get blamed by this quack.
Also, like someone else said here, there is no data on the amounts of lives these meds have saved. They have helped many people not commit suicide and have a much better quality of life to help others.
So why doesn't the government ban alcohol? It was a much worse track record of crimes, violence and addiction than medications like Prozac and Zoloft. Anyone who is on these meds is told by the manufacturers and doctors not to combine it with high doses of street drugs or alcohol, so if someone does that, the drug cannot be blamed. It's like drinking pure cyanide to combine such a lethal dose of cocaine.
> Sorry, I did not mean to post the article, just the web link...just type in the title in any search engine.....I only meant to list on this site as food for thought..sometimes I think I visit this site and others and am getting information overload and getting freaked out over it..I know what works for one often does not work for others.I am just searching for some help to get my life back..as I read that article, my underlying thought was how many of the "suicidal or violent episodes" people listed had much deeper mental health issues??
> e
Posted by JayDee on October 9, 2004, at 0:26:52
In reply to Re: This is the Scary Article I was referring to, posted by artemiss on October 8, 2004, at 13:50:16
>>So why doesn't the government ban alcohol?
They already tried. Just leads to more crime in the end.
the difference between banning something like Prozac and Alcohol(assuming for a minute that AD's are BAD, and they aren't) is that Alcohol is easy to make, Prozac isn't
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 9, 2004, at 16:20:46
In reply to Re: This is the Scary Article I was referring to, posted by FredPotter on October 6, 2004, at 19:06:32
> It's not written properly. No real scientist resorts to the word "terrible". The inferences seem flawed and the grammar is wrong. She seems to be a "scientist" who has spent 10 years trying to prove a prior belief. I wouldn't believe a word of it
Well, let's not forget that Ann Tracey is not even a doctor (she's a Ph.D.). It hardly helps her credibility in this context. The arguments are poorly formed, the reliance on anecdote is remarkable, and the grammar is atrocious.
It's easy to show that her basic premise is false. While prescription rates for the SSRI drugs have been increasing, the rate of suicide is falling. It's awfully hard to argue that suicide is increased by these drugs, unless you select only the data that support your argument. That's all Tracey does. Pure bias.
Lar
Posted by sobstory on October 10, 2004, at 13:42:58
In reply to Re: This is the Scary Article I was referring to » artemiss, posted by JayDee on October 9, 2004, at 0:26:52
I know that they tried to ban alcohol during the prohibition, and the reasons why they don't. I was just trying to make a point that if they are saying that antidepressants cause crime and violence and depression, alcohol does so even more, and it is more readily available to people. The reasons for banning antidepressants are invalid. So many people are already depressed and suffering, and they self medicate with alcohol. I have seen it many times with my family and friends. If they had taken antidepressants with doctor supervision, they most likely wouldn't have become alcoholics.
> >>So why doesn't the government ban alcohol?
>
> They already tried. Just leads to more crime in the end.
>
> the difference between banning something like Prozac and Alcohol(assuming for a minute that AD's are BAD, and they aren't) is that Alcohol is easy to make, Prozac isn't
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