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Posted by crazychickuk on September 3, 2004, at 16:55:43
Hi i am feeling very weird in deed, about a mnth ago i stopped mirtazipan (nightmares) started dothiapan stopped after a week didnt liek the affects, so i been of drugs for a mnth and these past few days i been feeling really weird, detached, worse than i ever suffered before, feels as if i am on drugs but i aint, i am feeling tired as if i am fighting it, maybe its cus i am tired the end of the summmer holidays now i was going to bed about 4-6 am and getting up at about 12-1 pm.... tuesday night i didnt go to bed till 5 am and got up at 10 then wednesday night bed at 2 sleep at 3-4 and up at 8 also last night bed at 2 up at 8..... do you think this is to blame, i just feel weird as if i am on drugs abit disorientated, anxious, panicky, twitches, and the colours of things and items them selves look all weird and it feels as if i got cotton wool in my brain .... GRRRRRR, is this some kind of a late withdrawl or just plainold tiredness cus i am kind of worried i am losing my mind here.. i seriously think i am losing my mind and i am gonna end up lost with myself and i dont want to... plse help:-S
thanks
Posted by Racer on September 3, 2004, at 17:13:55
In reply to I feel detached, posted by crazychickuk on September 3, 2004, at 16:55:43
Could it be that the physical side of your anxiety and panic are just overwhelming you right now? That can happen, sometimes.
Two ways to approach anxiety: the psychological, if you work yourself up into a frenzy; or physical. If you attack the physical side of it, the over production of adrenaline, etc, it may make it easier to address the psychological. Can you ask your doctor about that?
Also, having just had a frenzy of drugs that didn't work myself, I know that I get too gunshy after a while to give new drugs a chance. Is it possible that you can find some source of support to get you through the adjustment period? Maybe a therapist? Maybe a friend? Maybe a check in call from the doctor's office to see how you're doing? Just something that encourages you to stick with it a little longer, so that you don't miss out on a winner?
By the way, I say that as someone who owes a heck of a lot to two people from this very board who have acted as both reality checks and cheerleaders in encouraging me to give my new drug a fair shot -- despite the fact that I hate the way it makes me feel so much I *want* to stop it most days. I'm glad I didn't just stop, even though I may feel lousy, because I also know that I am responding to it -- just not as well as I would like. And as someone who is going to talk to the doctor at next visit about options for turning down the tap on adrenaline.
It sounds to me as if most of what you're going through has nothing to do with the drugs -- it's the anxiety messing with you. Write down what you need the doctor to know -- that you're dropping meds in days because you're freaked out beyond belief by this point, amongst other things -- ask about ways to hold your hand a bit during adjustment, ask about ways to reduce the physical symptoms of anxiety -- at least temporarily -- and get into that doctor's office. Plan to give the recommended treatment a fair shot at working. Find someone to hold your hand while you start out.
Best luck to you.
Posted by SLS on September 3, 2004, at 17:32:58
In reply to I feel detached, posted by crazychickuk on September 3, 2004, at 16:55:43
Hi.
If I remember correctly, Remeron was working fine for you until you were switched to the SolTabs. Is this right? How well was it working for you?
- Scott
Posted by Ilene on September 3, 2004, at 18:16:08
In reply to I feel detached, posted by crazychickuk on September 3, 2004, at 16:55:43
You sound like a combination of me on Effexor and me on nothing at all. I have depression and anxiety. The "cotton wool on the brain", extreme tiredness, problems sleeping, feeling detached from reality--all very familiar. They go away when I am properly medicated.
Posted by Sad Panda on September 4, 2004, at 4:22:03
In reply to I feel detached, posted by crazychickuk on September 3, 2004, at 16:55:43
Hi CC,
Are you sure you can't get generic Mirtazapine? Down under it comes in two generics & two brand names: Remeron & Avanza, both football shaped tabs stamped Organon. Even the box looks the same, price is completely different however. :) We can still get the old version of the drug too: Mianserin.
Can you get Wellbutrin or Zyban? We can only get Zyban here to assist with quitting smoking.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by crazychickuk on September 4, 2004, at 5:52:55
In reply to (((((Donna))))) :), posted by Sad Panda on September 4, 2004, at 4:22:03
O man i thought i would feel alot better today after going to bed at 12 and getting up at 11 i am still feeling detached upon belief, i have a packet of the old mirtazipan here but just a mnths supply my physc couldnt get hold of any more so is it worth taking it just for a mnth? i am really scared right now, i was drifting of to sleep and it was if i was stopping myself, i felt very panicky, woke up this morning and i am still very panicky oday and i feel as if i aint here, doctors office is now closed (saturday) i am scared more because i have never felt this way before.. it really does feel like i am drugs, o man.. what can i do?
Posted by zeugma on September 4, 2004, at 6:33:24
In reply to Re: i feel detached, posted by crazychickuk on September 4, 2004, at 5:52:55
> O man i thought i would feel alot better today after going to bed at 12 and getting up at 11 i am still feeling detached upon belief, i have a packet of the old mirtazipan here but just a mnths supply my physc couldnt get hold of any more so is it worth taking it just for a mnth? i am really scared right now, i was drifting of to sleep and it was if i was stopping myself, i felt very panicky, woke up this morning and i am still very panicky oday and i feel as if i aint here, doctors office is now closed (saturday) i am scared more because i have never felt this way before.. it really does feel like i am drugs, o man.. what can i do?
there's only a month's supply of mirtazapine left in Wales? Take the mirtazipine to slow down your panic attacks and worry about next month when it comes.
-z
Posted by SLS on September 4, 2004, at 7:17:38
In reply to Re: i feel detached, posted by crazychickuk on September 4, 2004, at 5:52:55
Have you tried the generic mirtazapine?
- Scott
Posted by crazychickuk on September 4, 2004, at 7:37:07
In reply to Re: i feel detached, posted by SLS on September 4, 2004, at 7:17:38
we have changed to soltab and i didnt get on with them..... so my doc took me of my pysch managed to get hold of another 1 mnth supply of the ones i was on before for a year and a half tablet form the orange ones ya know!! that was it.... my doctor told me not to bother... he gave me dothiapan but it caused me to have hrt flutters just like ssri's grrrrr so doc said to try going without meds for a while which is wat i been doing for a mnth only these past few days i been feeling like ai am really ill but i dont think i am, i am aching all in my legs, my head feels like cotton wool and i am panicky and depressed i just dont feel normal... i have just started to take b vitamin complexe today see if this helps.. i will keep u informed... thankyou guys ...
Posted by SLS on September 4, 2004, at 9:01:53
In reply to Re: i feel detached, posted by crazychickuk on September 4, 2004, at 7:37:07
I think your sense of detachment might be a worsening of the depression itself. It is difficult to say whether or not it will subside with time. Your central nervous system is still in a state of change from your stopping medication. It might just be a temporary passing phase occurring as your system adjusts.
I think you need to sit down and decide what you need to do to help yourself get well. This almost certainly includes continuing with drug trials to find a treatment that will effectively treat your depression and anxiety. You must accept that you will experience side effects at the beginning of each drug trial. Many of these, of course, witll subside over time. Discuss with your doctor what the possible side effects are before you begin any new medication, and what you can do about them if they appear. This way you will be prepared to tolerate. Take things one step at a time. Your doctor might have done a very good thing by allowing both you and your brain settle down. Use this time to get it straight in your mind what you have to do. Make a plan and try to stick to it. Ask questions now. Work with your doctor to put the plan together. You might also profit greatly from seeing a counselor.
You have a bunch of people who are very interested in seeing you feel better. We'll be keeping an eye on you. Ask questions. Resolve to win the war. You will. Take one constructive and positive step at a time.
Relax. Slow down. You'll get there.
- Scott
Posted by crazychickuk on September 6, 2004, at 12:47:44
In reply to Re: i feel detached » crazychickuk, posted by SLS on September 4, 2004, at 9:01:53
I am seeing a counciller she is lovely the best ever person i have ever met (apart from my mum)
The thing is see i cant handle this i need medication, i feel so strange and panicky, i have had ssris tcas they affect my heart rate gives me taci and m ydoc said that when that happens to stop .....i just dont know what to do, the doctors dont really have much experience with mental health and i dont wish to see a physc again cus she is useless and she is the only on in my area and theres no way i can get refered to another i na different area... :-( i am going to be going to see my doctor in a few days time i will let you all know what is gonna happen..
thanks for all the replys..
Posted by Racer on September 6, 2004, at 14:16:49
In reply to Re: i feel detached, posted by crazychickuk on September 6, 2004, at 12:47:44
Why do you say the psychiatrist is "useless"? What was it about her you didn't like? Is it possible that she might have been on to something, but you weren't ready or willing to hear it? What actually happened with her?
The sad truth is that some doctors, psychiatrists or GPs, really aren't all that great. On the other hand, the psychiatrist is the doctor most likely to have the experience to treat mental illness. Sad, but true. Even if you don't like her, she may still be the best choice for you in your situation.
Give us a little more information, and maybe someone can help with some advice on how to get the best result if you do go back to her.
Posted by crazychickuk on September 6, 2004, at 15:09:35
In reply to Re: i feel detached » crazychickuk, posted by Racer on September 6, 2004, at 14:16:49
Took me a year to see her, she gives me a med that my doctor pu on my notes i can not take as that family reacts badly to me.. and what happened that med reacted badly to me... t hen i waited a further 7 mnths to see her again after a second referl and then she goes and gets 1 mnth supply of remeron only 1 mnths supply as thats all she could get as they stopped doing the old type of remeron tis all changed to soltab and i didnt get on with the soltab .. wats the point in just taking remeron for just one mnth? she wasnt up for me trying effexor again that was the only med that helped me out of my depression i nthe begining yer it gave me anxiety cus i took to much a higher dose at onece.. that was like 3-4 yrs ago i think i leant my lesson by now.. i want to go bk on effexor but she dont think it will be ok for me.. but i got a gut feeling it will put right wat it did..
she has signed me of again anyways seen her 2 times in like 2 yrs !!...
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