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Posted by waki on August 17, 2004, at 14:26:02
I still don't understand if there are any tricyclic's out there that do not make one feel sedated. Do any create energy and drive.
I asked this before but still need some answers.
My p-doc and I have talked about me trying tricuclics to work on some new objectives I have.
My depression is the fatigue type. My body can easily go in a fatigue type of funk easily. I will then sleep all the time. My current meds are Wellbutrin XR, Dexidrene, Lamictal. This cocktail is all for the purpose of generating energy, pleasure and motivation.
I searched last night on the net about tricyclic's and did not find one result that discused side effects related to "up emotions" for energy and drive. All side effects were related to sedation, fatigue, depression.
Anybody have any 411 on this topic?
Posted by zeugma on August 17, 2004, at 15:37:18
In reply to Non Sedated TRICYCLIC effects, posted by waki on August 17, 2004, at 14:26:02
Sedation and fatigue are not the same. Strattera did not sedate me, but eventually made me feel terrible fatigue. I've also experienced fatigue on neuroleptics and on buspirone. Many get fatigue on SSRI's, despite initial stimulation, because they interfere with sleep. Nortriptyline has a sedative effect, but it is definitely not fatiguing, albeit it is no stimulant. But I read something interesting about nortriptyline the other day. Elizabeth Wurtzel, the Prozac diva, who helped popularize the drug, said that nortriptyline, unlike all the SSRI's she had tried, did not make her tired.
Posted by King Vultan on August 17, 2004, at 16:56:09
In reply to Non Sedated TRICYCLIC effects, posted by waki on August 17, 2004, at 14:26:02
The two most energizing of the tricyclics are desipramine and protriptyline (Vivactil). Desipramine is regarded as "activating" and protriptyline as "stimulating". YMMV, but this was exactly my experience on these drugs.
Todd
Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 17:17:03
In reply to Re: Non Sedated TRICYCLIC effects, posted by zeugma on August 17, 2004, at 15:37:18
> Sedation and fatigue are not the same. Strattera did not sedate me, but eventually made me feel terrible fatigue. I've also experienced fatigue on neuroleptics and on buspirone. Many get fatigue on SSRI's, despite initial stimulation, because they interfere with sleep. Nortriptyline has a sedative effect, but it is definitely not fatiguing, albeit it is no stimulant. But I read something interesting about nortriptyline the other day. Elizabeth Wurtzel, the Prozac diva, who helped popularize the drug, said that nortriptyline, unlike all the SSRI's she had tried, did not make her tired.
Nortriptyline made me anything but tired. I was so energized and felt so awake. I also felt more motivated. I loved it. I had a lot of trouble sleeping on it though and my doctor took me off of it because my heartrate got up to 100 bpm. Scott says that's not so much. Besides, that can be controlled. I may go back to try it again at some point. (It always amazes me when people describe it as sedating, yet I know that is the more common reaction. OTOH, Amitriptyline, from which it is derived, made me so tired and groggy that I could barely move.)
Posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 17:18:18
In reply to Re: Non Sedated TRICYCLIC effects, posted by King Vultan on August 17, 2004, at 16:56:09
> The two most energizing of the tricyclics are desipramine and protriptyline (Vivactil). Desipramine is regarded as "activating" and protriptyline as "stimulating". YMMV, but this was exactly my experience on these drugs.
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> Todd
Todd,
What is the difference between activating and stimulating? I've always thought of them as synonymous.-K
Posted by King Vultan on August 17, 2004, at 17:27:27
In reply to Re: Non Sedated TRICYCLIC effects, posted by KaraS on August 17, 2004, at 17:18:18
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> Todd,
> What is the difference between activating and stimulating? I've always thought of them as synonymous.
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> -K
"Stimulating" traditionally connotes a greater sense of energization than "activating", at least in the context of psychotropic drugs, but I agree that these terms are often used interchangeably.Todd
Posted by waki on August 18, 2004, at 14:57:41
In reply to Re: Non Sedated TRICYCLIC effects » KaraS, posted by King Vultan on August 17, 2004, at 17:27:27
wonderful, you now taught me that tricyclics acn improve one's quality of life.
Why are these med's being outdated and left behind for the new meds on the market?
My p-doc's talking about trying these with me. He states there are many different ones that's a whole another ballgame so to speak.
Is this stuff good or what?
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