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Posted by PoohBear on February 10, 2004, at 22:48:52
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by justamom on February 10, 2004, at 20:36:53
I was on 60mg and gained weight like crazy. I don't know if I would have leveled off or not, and wasn't will to take the chance. We thought that 60mg would mitigate the weight gain, but at least for my body, no luck.
Tony
Posted by marfaith on February 11, 2004, at 8:04:59
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by justamom on February 10, 2004, at 20:36:53
> > Hi. I did not experience the dizziness/sleepiness that some have on Remeron. I slept great and now that I have been off it for almost two weeks, I know that it did help with my anxiety. I too am one of those that are afraid of trying new meds. The reason why I quit was because I gained 32 lbs in three months. I never had a weight problem in my life and if anything needed to gain weight. If it weren't for the weight gain I would have stayed on it. Hope your daughter gives it a try. Good luck to you both. Mary
>
> Thank you Mary for your response. It is good to know that it did help your anxiety. Were you on the 30 or 45?I started at 15 and then went to 30. I was going to go to 45 because I have read that with more is less with the symptoms, but with the weight gain I didn't want to chance it.
>
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Posted by Lisalashes on February 11, 2004, at 12:00:05
In reply to Re: Remeron and higher dosage, posted by shadows721 on February 10, 2004, at 19:13:46
> My doc said that the higher dosage of Remeron will by pass the histamine action. It should not have the weight gain effect. She said you will be like a zombie for 2 weeks. Anyone tried the higher dosage?
I have just come off Remeron, wasn't on it for very long, couldn't hack the side effects!
At 30 mg taken at night, I was a zombie, at 15mg, I was better, but still very sluggish.Appetite same either dose.....HUGE!!!!!And food tasted deeeeelicious!
Put on 7lbs in a fortnight!I craved fatty, tasty foods in a similar way you do when you've been drinking the night before, that also sums up how I felt on the med, like I had a constant bad hangover that wouldn't go away!
Good Luck
Posted by sadmom on February 11, 2004, at 13:19:37
In reply to Re: Remeron and higher dosage, posted by Lisalashes on February 11, 2004, at 12:00:05
Hi. I've been on Remeron for 4 months. At first I didn't gain weight. Then after 2 months my stomach started acting up and I was hungry all the time. So I tried upping the dose from 30mg to 45mg. That only seemed to make it worse. I also started taking Xantac because of the acid/heartburn. I decided to go off Remeron because of the weight gain, and was tapering off, when the stomach acid/hunger problem stopped when I was at 22.5mg. So now I'm on 22.5mg for the past 2 weeks.
Posted by Lisalashes on February 11, 2004, at 14:08:59
In reply to Re: Remeron and higher dosage, posted by sadmom on February 11, 2004, at 13:19:37
> Hi. I've been on Remeron for 4 months. At first I didn't gain weight. Then after 2 months my stomach started acting up and I was hungry all the time. So I tried upping the dose from 30mg to 45mg. That only seemed to make it worse. I also started taking Xantac because of the acid/heartburn. I decided to go off Remeron because of the weight gain, and was tapering off, when the stomach acid/hunger problem stopped when I was at 22.5mg. So now I'm on 22.5mg for the past 2 weeks.
Well done for sticking it out, how do you find it as an anti-depressant? Did you experience lots of unpleasant side effects at first?
I'm back on Prozac, my first drug of choice! I was experimenting with Remeron to see if it would suit me better, but as I couldn't hack the side effects I decided to go back on the Prozac - better the devil you know and all that!!Best of luck to you
Posted by Flipsactown on February 13, 2004, at 23:47:39
In reply to Re: Remeron and higher dosage, posted by shadows721 on February 10, 2004, at 19:13:46
I have been on 90mg remeron for over 3 months. My pdoc and I are aware of the 60mg recommended max dose. I have gained over 30 pounds even at the highest dose. However, I am also on prozac, lamictal and lithium. I want to stop remeron when I find another AD that will not make me gain weight but will relieve my unipolar depression.
Flipsactown
> My doc said that the higher dosage of Remeron will by pass the histamine action. It should not have the weight gain effect. She said you will be like a zombie for 2 weeks. Anyone tried the higher dosage?
Posted by Kaybee on March 11, 2004, at 19:45:43
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by PoohBear on February 10, 2004, at 22:48:52
I was diagnosed with bipolar II about 9 months ago. Even with depakote I still go through manic episodes and can't sleep for sometimes up to 3 days.
My doctor prescribed me 30mg of remeron at nighttime to sleep. I've only taken it once--it made me sleep for 14 hours! I think I might decrease the dosage.
Anyway, I was wondering--is remeron making people gain weight b/c their appetite is increased, or are their eating habits the same and the weight is still gained? Do you think if i take it only at nightime I will still see side effects of weight gain? I am not willing to "experiment" and find out.
Posted by Flipsactown on March 11, 2004, at 21:15:08
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by Kaybee on March 11, 2004, at 19:45:43
Most definitely. I am on a high dose of 90mg and still have increased appetite. I watch what I eat and exercise daily. I am in the process of switching ADs and Remeron has got to go. It's either that or become blimp.
Flipsactown
> I was diagnosed with bipolar II about 9 months ago. Even with depakote I still go through manic episodes and can't sleep for sometimes up to 3 days.
>
> My doctor prescribed me 30mg of remeron at nighttime to sleep. I've only taken it once--it made me sleep for 14 hours! I think I might decrease the dosage.
>
> Anyway, I was wondering--is remeron making people gain weight b/c their appetite is increased, or are their eating habits the same and the weight is still gained? Do you think if i take it only at nightime I will still see side effects of weight gain? I am not willing to "experiment" and find out.
Posted by Sad Panda on March 12, 2004, at 0:23:48
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by Kaybee on March 11, 2004, at 19:45:43
> I was diagnosed with bipolar II about 9 months ago. Even with depakote I still go through manic episodes and can't sleep for sometimes up to 3 days.
>
> My doctor prescribed me 30mg of remeron at nighttime to sleep. I've only taken it once--it made me sleep for 14 hours! I think I might decrease the dosage.
>
> Anyway, I was wondering--is remeron making people gain weight b/c their appetite is increased, or are their eating habits the same and the weight is still gained? Do you think if i take it only at nightime I will still see side effects of weight gain? I am not willing to "experiment" and find out.
>
>Hi Kaybee,
I would drop to 15mg if all you want it for is sleep. I find that taking more makes me sleep longer. Weight gain is due to increased appetite & sleeping longer.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by LyndaK on March 12, 2004, at 1:10:21
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by Kaybee on March 11, 2004, at 19:45:43
I agree that if sleep is all you want, 15 mgs. is a good place to start to see if that does it, chances are it will. It's generally a once-a-day medication and I think most people take it at night because of the sleepy side-effect.
I don't agree that weight-gain is caused only by increased appetite. I think it actually slows the metabolism. I gained weight initially and have stayed at that weight. I have not continued to gain and gain and gain. But the weight that I gained doesn't want to come off either.
In short, it's great for sleep but bad for weight-gain.
I hope you find something that works for you. Being up for 3 days straight sounds exhausting!
Lynda
Posted by tjej on March 29, 2004, at 15:19:21
In reply to Re: Remeron » Kaybee, posted by LyndaK on March 12, 2004, at 1:10:21
Lynda, I could not agree more! There is no doubt that the metabolism is slowed down and I do not care what the doctors say. I have always been able to eat anything I want with negligible weight gain, I have gained 11 kilos(24.2 pounds)or for brits 1.7 stone. Not only that but my body feels different, in the past when I put on a little weight, which was a very rare occurence, it went straight to my thighs, now I have love handles! First time in my life and even worse, and enough to counteract the anti-depressant effects, I have a belly roll right above the pubic area, like a big overhang of fat! So I am convinced that it does alter us from within!
Rebecca
Posted by marfaith on March 29, 2004, at 15:34:27
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by tjej on March 29, 2004, at 15:19:21
I agree with Remeron slowing down your metabolism. I have never had a weight problem in my life. I took Remeron and gained 32 lbs in three months. I had the belly roll too. I quit taking it the 31st of January and as of today I have lost 17 lbs. I lost eight of it the first six days I stopped taking Remeron. I don't know why I am having trouble with the last 15. I really don't have much of a appetite. It could be age, I am 43. I plan on walking more now that the nice weather is here and hopefull will shed another ten.
Posted by LyndaK on March 30, 2004, at 2:34:19
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by tjej on March 29, 2004, at 15:19:21
Rebecca,
Thanks for responding. I'm glad someone else agrees with me. It's interesting what you said about HOW / WHERE you put on the extra pounds, because I too put it all on my middle -- basically lost my waistline, which is so untypical of how I gained weight before (though I never gained this much (20 lbs) before. Any weight-gain was very evenly distributed before. It's a tough dilemma because this drug has totally turned my life around -- given me a normal life back really -- and I tried a LONG list of drugs before this that didn't work as successfully as this one. But I've been doing so well for so long now that I REALLY HATE THIS FAT!! My husband doesn't care much for it either!
Thanks for listening.
Lynda> Lynda, I could not agree more! There is no doubt that the metabolism is slowed down and I do not care what the doctors say. I have always been able to eat anything I want with negligible weight gain, I have gained 11 kilos(24.2 pounds)or for brits 1.7 stone. Not only that but my body feels different, in the past when I put on a little weight, which was a very rare occurence, it went straight to my thighs, now I have love handles! First time in my life and even worse, and enough to counteract the anti-depressant effects, I have a belly roll right above the pubic area, like a big overhang of fat! So I am convinced that it does alter us from within!
>
> Rebecca
Posted by tjej on March 30, 2004, at 5:31:07
In reply to Re: Remeron » tjej, posted by LyndaK on March 30, 2004, at 2:34:19
Hi Marfaith and Lynda,
I am so glad to know that both of you also seem to have experienced the weight in the middle. Like you it is also unlike me to gain weight, and I have always had a flat stomach, the few times I have gained weight it was on my thighs/hips, but I have never seen anything like this. I am also torn, like you Lynda, it has turned my life around, and I have also been on the whole list of available drugs. But I am getting depressed about the fat, particularly with summer coming, so I am not sure what I can do. I am so thin normally that I would not really have minded a bit of weight on my thighs/hips but it just looks ugly and unbecoming where it has accumulated with love handles and a belly roll on an otherwise quite fit body. I look about three months pregnant after a meal.
Posted by marfaith on March 30, 2004, at 10:56:48
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by tjej on March 30, 2004, at 5:31:07
> Hi Marfaith and Lynda,
>
> I am so glad to know that both of you also seem to have experienced the weight in the middle. Like you it is also unlike me to gain weight, and I have always had a flat stomach, the few times I have gained weight it was on my thighs/hips, but I have never seen anything like this. I am also torn, like you Lynda, it has turned my life around, and I have also been on the whole list of available drugs. But I am getting depressed about the fat, particularly with summer coming, so I am not sure what I can do. I am so thin normally that I would not really have minded a bit of weight on my thighs/hips but it just looks ugly and unbecoming where it has accumulated with love handles and a belly roll on an otherwise quite fit body. I look about three months pregnant after a meal.I know how you feel. It didn't hurt me to put some weight on, but 32 lbs was a bit much. I switched to Lexapro. It has been about five weeks and I will have to say that it has helped with my depression. At first it made me more anxious, but when needed I take Xanax. The Remeron was great, because I slept so deep, I miss that. I think it not only slowed down my metabolism, but it also made me constantly hungry. I have heard that when you increase the mg. the side effects are less. Have you heard that? Marfaith
Posted by PoohBear on March 30, 2004, at 10:57:48
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by tjej on March 30, 2004, at 5:31:07
> Hi Marfaith and Lynda,
>
> I am so glad to know that both of you also seem to have experienced the weight in the middle. Like you it is also unlike me to gain weight, and I have always had a flat stomach, the few times I have gained weight it was on my thighs/hips, but I have never seen anything like this. I am also torn, like you Lynda, it has turned my life around, and I have also been on the whole list of available drugs. But I am getting depressed about the fat, particularly with summer coming, so I am not sure what I can do. I am so thin normally that I would not really have minded a bit of weight on my thighs/hips but it just looks ugly and unbecoming where it has accumulated with love handles and a belly roll on an otherwise quite fit body. I look about three months pregnant after a meal.
Gang:I think that the weight gain on Remeron (an other AD's for that matter) may be more water retention than anything else. I say this because as a male, I tend to put weight on around my middle, but also noticed that my extremities seemed swollen (edema?) and felt sluggish in general.
A drug in and of itself could NOT cause an increase in fat. That can ONLY come through eating calories in excess of what the body needs. Of course, what the body *needs* can be a moving target as metabolism slows or speeds up.
What do you guys think?
Tony
Posted by tjej on March 30, 2004, at 11:33:01
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by PoohBear on March 30, 2004, at 10:57:48
Marfaith, that is my biggie, the sleep is so good it is like being a baby again! My other problem is that I can't stand xanax, I feel sedated when on it, benzos do not generally agree with me. I also heard that the side effects lessen with higher dosages, but, I have not experienced that despite having gone from 15 to 45.
PB thanks for the male point of view, perhaps it does work differently on men than women, it would not be the first med. BUT, water retention is this not! I know water retention and what I have is weight gain! But as said, men tend to hold less water so you may be experiencing this. As for your theory on pills not putting on weight, of course no pill causes fat, but I can assure you I eat less than half the junk I ate pre- remeron and have gained so much weight. I think it does change your metabolism as well as the distribution of fat.
I tend to be curious about the amount of women who, like me, are getting fat around the middle. I know there are disorders which tend to do that, if I recall both liver troubles and some other disorders are associated with fat in this area, I wonder if there could be changes systemically in our bodies?
Posted by LyndaK on March 31, 2004, at 1:48:29
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by tjej on March 30, 2004, at 11:33:01
I have to agree that what I grip around my middle is NOT water retention -- it's FAT. I agree that fat is produced when calories consumed is greater than calories burned, which is why I'm convinced this has SIGNIFICANTLY lowered my metabolism. I don't eat any more than I did before, I probably watch WHAT I eat more than I did before, and I am definitely more physically active than I was before. But the weight doesn't budge. I too have wondered if the weight gain was a sign of something more serious going on inside, but if I go by how I FEEL, I feel healthy -- my immune system is good, all my blood-work at my last physical was fine including the one that checks liver function. So I don't now whether to just stick with it and put up with my fat body or try to go off it (or go down to a lower dose and see what that does). I'll be discussing it with my pdoc at my next visit in a couple weeks.
Thanks for all the responses. It really does help to know that there are other people with the same experience -- that I'm not just imagining things or making up excuses.
Lynda
Posted by Sad Panda on March 31, 2004, at 4:40:17
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by PoohBear on March 30, 2004, at 10:57:48
> > Hi Marfaith and Lynda,
> >
> > I am so glad to know that both of you also seem to have experienced the weight in the middle. Like you it is also unlike me to gain weight, and I have always had a flat stomach, the few times I have gained weight it was on my thighs/hips, but I have never seen anything like this. I am also torn, like you Lynda, it has turned my life around, and I have also been on the whole list of available drugs. But I am getting depressed about the fat, particularly with summer coming, so I am not sure what I can do. I am so thin normally that I would not really have minded a bit of weight on my thighs/hips but it just looks ugly and unbecoming where it has accumulated with love handles and a belly roll on an otherwise quite fit body. I look about three months pregnant after a meal.
>
>
> Gang:
>
> I think that the weight gain on Remeron (an other AD's for that matter) may be more water retention than anything else. I say this because as a male, I tend to put weight on around my middle, but also noticed that my extremities seemed swollen (edema?) and felt sluggish in general.
>
> A drug in and of itself could NOT cause an increase in fat. That can ONLY come through eating calories in excess of what the body needs. Of course, what the body *needs* can be a moving target as metabolism slows or speeds up.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Tony
>
>Hi Tony,
I am not absolutely sure of your statement, but, drug induced metabolism problems causing weight gain should show up in blood tests. What I find a little worrisome is Zyperxa is being implicated with causing some people to get diabetes. With Remeron & the sedating TCA's I think if you don't get increased appetite & don't eat extra you shouldn't gain any weight except for some fluid retention(which I get -- bloaty feet if I don't walk enough). Remeron is known for initial weight gain when beginning therapy, but this is due to extra sleep. If you are an insomnic getting 4 hours sleep & suddenly start getting 12 hours sleep without reducing your calorie input you will automatically put on weight until your sleep & diet normalizes. I didn't get this weight gain probably because I had hypersomnia & was already sleeping 12 hours or more a day. After one month of Remeron at 15mg my sleep reduced to 8 hours.
Today I had blood drawn for testing. I have been taking Effexor in ever increasing dosages for about 6 months & I have been taking Remeron for about 4 months. I am getting a 12 hour fasting glucose, cholestrol, liver enzyme, thyroid & a white cell count. 7 months ago they where all OK, I'll let you all know how they turn out.
Overall my feelings are that sleep induced by the sedating TCA's, Remeron, Mianserin, most of the old AP's, some of the new AP's(Zyperxa & Seroquel) is high quality sleep due to them all being 5-HT2A blockers. It's interesting that of the 3 TCA's that are the strongest serotonin reuptake inhibitors, Clomipramine & Amitriptyline are two of the most successful AD's of all time & they feature as strong 5-HT2A blockers. The 3rd serotoninergic TCA Imipramine doesn't seem to be as successful as it's two brothers & is a very weak 5-HT2A blocker. Seems that a good nights sleep is the 1st step to improved mental health.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by marfaith on March 31, 2004, at 9:58:37
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by LyndaK on March 31, 2004, at 1:48:29
> I have to agree that what I grip around my middle is NOT water retention -- it's FAT. I agree that fat is produced when calories consumed is greater than calories burned, which is why I'm convinced this has SIGNIFICANTLY lowered my metabolism. I don't eat any more than I did before, I probably watch WHAT I eat more than I did before, and I am definitely more physically active than I was before. But the weight doesn't budge. I too have wondered if the weight gain was a sign of something more serious going on inside, but if I go by how I FEEL, I feel healthy -- my immune system is good, all my blood-work at my last physical was fine including the one that checks liver function. So I don't now whether to just stick with it and put up with my fat body or try to go off it (or go down to a lower dose and see what that does). I'll be discussing it with my pdoc at my next visit in a couple weeks.
>
> Thanks for all the responses. It really does help to know that there are other people with the same experience -- that I'm not just imagining things or making up excuses.
>
> LyndaI also had a physical and they also checked my thyroid and everything checked out to be fine. I increased my exercising and watch what I ate. I could only lose 1-2 lbs. I was in size 12 pants and now I am back in a 8. It is definitely not water, it was fat. Hope you get some help from your doctor. Marfaith
Posted by j-lo on April 8, 2004, at 10:56:31
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by marfaith on March 31, 2004, at 9:58:37
yeah, i just started remeron 6 weeks ago now, and i've gained 14 pounds. i was put on it to replace trazodone to help me sleep at night....which it certainly does...i'm out for a good 10 hours on average. but i'm quite worried about the weight gain as i have no motivation to exercise or even walk my dog. i've also experienced an all over body ache (muscular), but mainly my back. i haven't had much success with any of the ssri's or effexor (made me a "bitch") but am also on wellbutrin which i've been on the max dose for 2.5 years now. i'm trying to get an appt. with my p doc asap....i feel like i just want to discontinue on my own, but i know i shouldn't.
Posted by PoohBear on April 8, 2004, at 11:50:43
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by j-lo on April 8, 2004, at 10:56:31
> yeah, i just started remeron 6 weeks ago now, and i've gained 14 pounds. i was put on it to replace trazodone to help me sleep at night....which it certainly does...i'm out for a good 10 hours on average. but i'm quite worried about the weight gain as i have no motivation to exercise or even walk my dog. i've also experienced an all over body ache (muscular), but mainly my back. i haven't had much success with any of the ssri's or effexor (made me a "bitch") but am also on wellbutrin which i've been on the max dose for 2.5 years now. i'm trying to get an appt. with my p doc asap....i feel like i just want to discontinue on my own, but i know i shouldn't.
How long did you try Effexor? It could very well have been the Wellbutrin that made you feel like a *itch; it does that to alot of people. It made me want to climb the walls...
Remeron is known to be a rather weak AD. It's great for sleep, but not as effective as and AD as it's usually taken at night. I gained 12 pound in 2 weeks that I still ahve not been able to take off after three months.
Tony
Posted by j-lo on April 13, 2004, at 18:25:55
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by PoohBear on March 30, 2004, at 10:57:48
thanks pooh bear,
not only was i a bitch on effexor, but also could not acheive orgasm (if i ever felt the urge). since on here, i did a bit of research. remeron is an antagonist which fights/blocks histamine receptors. it actually lowers serotonin, but it increases norepinephrine in the brain. an increase in norepinephrine increases: heart rate and pressure, conversion of glycogen in glucose and therefore increases the conversion of fats into fatty acids in adipose (fat) tissue. what this means to me is that the rate that the glucose is being converted is increased, which in turn means that your body would need to burn off the glycogen so many times faster than normal to keep up. now what i don't know is how you could cut that action off at the pass...if possible. though if there was a way, i'm sure that drs. would know about it by now. someone mentioned taking a drug for narcolepsy which would stimulate, but i don't know if it would help the metabolism of glucose. taking an anti-histamine maybe? such as sudafed...
though, then you're just adding more drugs into the mix...
i've put on another 5 pounds since my last post and i can't get an appt. with my p doc for three weeks, but i think i'll just wean myself off on my own. i'm seeing my family physician tomorrow.
see what she says...
Posted by PoohBear on April 13, 2004, at 18:36:27
In reply to Re: Remeron » PoohBear, posted by j-lo on April 13, 2004, at 18:25:55
Sorry to hear about the extra 4 pounds :-(
I really miss the sleep I got on Remeron. It was superb!
Too much Sudafed makes me jumpy.
I thought of Cortisol, but the research I did on the web seems to indicate that it's not as effective as the commercial would lead one to believe. (Why am I not surprised...)
Your explanation of the weight gain mechanism of Remeron makes sense. It seemed to me like I gained alot of weight in water, as I ended up with swollen joints and extremities.
Take care!
Tony
> thanks pooh bear,
>
> not only was i a bitch on effexor, but also could not acheive orgasm (if i ever felt the urge). since on here, i did a bit of research. remeron is an antagonist which fights/blocks histamine receptors. it actually lowers serotonin, but it increases norepinephrine in the brain. an increase in norepinephrine increases: heart rate and pressure, conversion of glycogen in glucose and therefore increases the conversion of fats into fatty acids in adipose (fat) tissue. what this means to me is that the rate that the glucose is being converted is increased, which in turn means that your body would need to burn off the glycogen so many times faster than normal to keep up. now what i don't know is how you could cut that action off at the pass...if possible. though if there was a way, i'm sure that drs. would know about it by now. someone mentioned taking a drug for narcolepsy which would stimulate, but i don't know if it would help the metabolism of glucose. taking an anti-histamine maybe? such as sudafed...
> though, then you're just adding more drugs into the mix...
> i've put on another 5 pounds since my last post and i can't get an appt. with my p doc for three weeks, but i think i'll just wean myself off on my own. i'm seeing my family physician tomorrow.
> see what she says...
Posted by ravenstorm on April 14, 2004, at 12:04:23
In reply to Re: Remeron, posted by PoohBear on April 13, 2004, at 18:36:27
Hi, I've only been on Remeron 5 days and i haven't gained any weight according to the scale, however, pants that were hanging on me 5 days ago due to weight loss from depression/anxiety are now tight in the waist. In other words my abdomen is extremely bloated/distended. I am pretty tiny (5'5" 115lbs) so this, of course looks very attractive (lol). I was actually looking forward to eating like a pig to put on 5-10lbs that I lost, but I can't see going back up to my previous weight if my pants are already snug around the middle!
Anyway, my appetite doesn't seem to be increased yet (knock wood) but I've heard that it sometimes takes a week before it happens. Have been watching what I eat carefully and "trying" to avoid processed sugar. Although, like I said I have a huge belly now even without weight gain.
When I brought up the weight gain with my new pdoc before starting the remeron, he replied with: well only 17% of people gain weight on remeron. I snorted and said: "And the makers of Lexapro claim that only 1% of people (or something like that)have sexual disfunction on their drug, do you find that to be true? He admitted he did not.
Honestly, I wish they would come to these boards instead of just believing whatever the drug companies tell them!!!!!!!!!!
He is the second pdoc to say with a straight face: "Effexor isn't hard to stop taking".
Unbe-frickin-lievable!!!
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