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Posted by flyingdreams on January 28, 2004, at 19:02:40
I'm on day 15 off Effexor and Nausea is still an all day affair! Anyone here gone thru this already, how long does it last?????????? I already asked this ? and no one answered. I sure could use this info, pretty please with sugar on top?
The only other symptom is insomnia, but I can deal with that. This nausea is horrible, everything tastes wierd, smells wierd and when I eat it only gets worse. Gatorade is the only thing that helps a bit.
HELP me with info PLEASE
Oh, also does anyone know how long it takes for one's metabolism to get back to normal after getting off these drugs????????? I'm tired of exercising for nothing!
Wendy
Posted by Rainbowlight on January 28, 2004, at 23:11:52
In reply to Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long?, posted by flyingdreams on January 28, 2004, at 19:02:40
I know from personal experience how awful that nausea is. I have a great cure for it though. Get ginger capsules at the health food store, or buy fresh ginger root, cut it up and soak it in hot water and then drink it. It works like a charm, much better than anything else I have ever tried and it doesn't have any side effects. Also, sipping ginger ale helps too, but not as well. I would try to get the ginger capsules. They run about $5.00 per bottle, and worth every penny. Sorry you are going through the rough withdrawel. It will get better, but I bet right now it probably doesn't feel that way. Hang in there.
Posted by silmarilone on January 29, 2004, at 1:33:17
In reply to Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long?, posted by flyingdreams on January 28, 2004, at 19:02:40
This makes me so mad! SSRI's have evil, horrible withdrawals, and other side effects, yet people whine about the "addictive" nature of benzodiazepines, and push SSRI's as an alternative. Disgusting.
Hope you feel better soon...on Paxil it took almost 2 months before my nausea, dizziness, flashes, insomnia, and anxiety went away. It helped to eat a lot of bread...
thomas
Posted by missliz on January 29, 2004, at 5:01:25
In reply to Re: Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long?, posted by silmarilone on January 29, 2004, at 1:33:17
Did you taper off? This shouldn't last more than a week- you're supposed to taper down to the tiniest dose possible and then do your week of withdrawal hell. Fifteen days is a LONG time for this. Did you just stop the full dose? If so, you may want to go back on a portion of the dose for a few days and taper from there.
You crash your serotonin levels when you just quit cold turkey, and you have serotonin in your whole body. Lack of it will affect all sorts of systems, cause the nausea, can mess with your heart function... You have to let your body go back to trying to make it's own chemicals again. A taper signals it to do this.
I won't touch an SSRI cause of this. Been there, and my total sympathy and support to you. And maybe you should call your doc.Lizzy
Posted by missinglynx on January 29, 2004, at 5:43:34
In reply to Re: Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how l, posted by missliz on January 29, 2004, at 5:01:25
Valium and Traxene work wonders for Nausea,,,,,,, and they are cheap,, Call your Psychiatrist immediately. He cant hear what you arent saying!
Posted by EscherDementian on January 29, 2004, at 8:08:44
In reply to Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long?, posted by flyingdreams on January 28, 2004, at 19:02:40
I think i can help.
What was your dose when you stopped Effexor?
As afore mentioned, tapering off is CRUCIAL.
i think i can make helpful suggestions if we start from there.Escher
(...agrees with RainbowLight, ginger is king'sQueen for tummy/nausea
but as a withdrawal symptom, let's move a step back (or two) before the nausea...)
Posted by EscherDementian on January 29, 2004, at 8:17:49
In reply to Re: Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how l, posted by missliz on January 29, 2004, at 5:01:25
Lizzy's words are worth repeating?
>You crash your serotonin levels when you just quit cold turkey, and you have serotonin in your whole body. Lack of it will affect all sorts of systems, cause the nausea, can mess with your heart function... You have to let your body go back to trying to make it's own chemicals again. A taper signals it to do this.
Posted by justjustine on January 30, 2004, at 0:54:11
In reply to Re: withdrawals from SSRI - » missliz, posted by EscherDementian on January 29, 2004, at 8:17:49
too late for me. my doctor had me go from 37 to zip, and then left town for a couple weeks. now he's upset i've resorted to vicodin and don't trust him any longer.
vicodin works for me - takes away all my symptoms. i'll deal with the taper off of it later - there is no way it's any worse than the effexor withdrawals.
vicodin is keeping me sane right now!
Posted by Chairman_MAO on January 30, 2004, at 12:03:51
In reply to Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long?, posted by flyingdreams on January 28, 2004, at 19:02:40
15 days, jeez. Yet another anecdote confirming my belief that the withdrawl syndrome after chronic treatment with serotonin reuptake inhibitors is worse than heroin withdrawl (which is usually more intense, but is only 4-7 days, max).
Your "magic bullet" treatment is most likely Remeron (mirtazapine). At 15mg, it will treat your insomnia and most likely your nausea (it is a 5-HT3 antagonist, just like ondansetron and grainesetron, the two "gold-standard" antiemetics that cost $20+ per dose.)
As someone else suggested, ginger can work wonders. So can diphenhydramine (Benadryl). Sometimes simply drinking [regular] Coke or Pepsi helps. But I would have your doc give you 2-4 weeks of generic Remeron @ 15mg. There is almost no chance you will have any withdrawl effects from the Remeron at that dose, so don't worry about that.
Posted by justjustine on January 30, 2004, at 13:22:46
In reply to Re: Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long? » flyingdreams, posted by Chairman_MAO on January 30, 2004, at 12:03:51
i'm on day 25 without effexor and still turn into a puddle of pain and zaps after about 18-20 hours with no vicodin. this is much much much worse than anything i've ever heard about heroin withdrawal. the main difference is that because effexor/ssri's don't cause "drug-seeking behavior" they are not considered addictive.
after this, i am not afraid of tapering off the vicodin. not in the least. in fact, i'm not afraid of much at all. but maybe that's just another manic side effect?
> 15 days, jeez. Yet another anecdote confirming my belief that the withdrawl syndrome after chronic treatment with serotonin reuptake inhibitors is worse than heroin withdrawl (which is usually more intense, but is only 4-7 days, max).
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> Your "magic bullet" treatment is most likely Remeron (mirtazapine). At 15mg, it will treat your insomnia and most likely your nausea (it is a 5-HT3 antagonist, just like ondansetron and grainesetron, the two "gold-standard" antiemetics that cost $20+ per dose.)
>
> As someone else suggested, ginger can work wonders. So can diphenhydramine (Benadryl). Sometimes simply drinking [regular] Coke or Pepsi helps. But I would have your doc give you 2-4 weeks of generic Remeron @ 15mg. There is almost no chance you will have any withdrawl effects from the Remeron at that dose, so don't worry about that.
Posted by Questionmark on January 30, 2004, at 15:28:40
In reply to Re: Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long?, posted by justjustine on January 30, 2004, at 13:22:46
What i really wanna know is how long the psychic effects of SSRI (or Nardil for that matter, since thats what i'm on now) withdrawal typically lasts. When i quit Paxil (40mg/day mostly, for ~2 years) last year i felt bad anxiety, paranoia, and a doomful, horrible, horrible, dark hades of a despair for months on end. And it never went away until i started Nardil this past Sep.
As i said in another post, it's possible it was more the sh*tty, pathetic state of my life at the time, esp waking up from the numb Paxil dream, than withdrawal. i'm not sure. It was horrible though. Anyhow-- any thoughts on this and/or my question? Thanks.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on January 30, 2004, at 21:50:10
In reply to Re: Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long?, posted by justjustine on January 30, 2004, at 13:22:46
They only "cause" drug-seeking behavior because they actually make you feel good as opposed to Effexor, which simply helps you feel "not as bad". Drug addiction is now a disease, much as masturbation and homosexuality were once diseases; it's the pathologizing of a subgroup of the population so that a majority of the population can distract itself from its own psychic ills. Moreover, to think that drugs CAUSE drug-seeking behavior is ludicrous, and saying so is tantamount to self-deception. Do people that engage in promiscuous sex claim that sex induces their sex-seeking behavior? Do people that overeat claim that food causes it? A massive psychosocial fraud has been perpetrated on the public of most western nations, most notably America, concerning the ethos of drug use.
Why is cocaine illegal? Because southern white bigoted elitests claimed, at the time of the Harrison Act in 1914, that "crazed negroes" under the influence of cocaine would require a higher-caliber bullet to be subdued by the police, and that they'd take advantage of innocent white women whilst in a wanton sexual rage.
Someday, the war on drug users will be considered equivalent to the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany. Think I'm crazy? Check out:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0275950425/drbobsvirte00-20
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 31, 2004, at 11:37:45
In reply to Re: Please - withdrawals from SSRI - Nausea- how long? » justjustine, posted by Chairman_MAO on January 30, 2004, at 21:50:10
> Drug addiction is now a disease, much as masturbation and homosexuality were once diseases; it's the pathologizing of a subgroup of the population so that a majority of the population can distract itself from its own psychic ills.
I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding the pathologizing of subgroups to Psycho-Social-Babble. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20040131/msgs/307689.html
Thanks,
Bob
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