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Posted by crazychickuk on January 4, 2004, at 16:16:42
I am in desperate need of some help plse, i am in the uk.
I am currently on 30 mg remeron, been on it for 8 mnths from 15mg to 30mg.. that the only med i am currently on, ( no other med i have got on with all raised my bp to high) for my so called anxiey,panick attacks, and social phobia and now recently bad awfull negative evil thoughts of harming others, depression to the point where i could kill myself, moods to the point where i got no emotion whats so ever, i am doing horrible things, and i could seriousley kill some one !!!!!
My docotr re refered me bk to a phsyciatrist 7 mnths ago, i waited and waited then rang them to see what was happening and was told that she wasnt gonna see me again as she tryed me on ssris and they didnt work, and there was nothing more she could do for me, i went bk to docs he refered me bk again, waited and waited stil nothing, rang them again same excuse, i then wrote a depressing letter to the nhs to complain and to say what i am saying here,,, then within 2 days 2 nurses came to see me, but with me being me i couldnt tell the truth i couldnt sit there and cry, i just froze, they said they will get me to see the phsyc but 3 mnths on still nothing!!
My doctor wont give me nothing else due to the fact i am on remeron !!! FOR F**** SAKE !!!! what am i to do..? i am so afraid for the safety of my poor inicent daughter and for myself.. i am freaking out.. i am so moody, no emotions, so depressed, and it feels as if my mind is gonna take over and i WILL do something... i have told my mum, all i get is dont be so silly !!!! plse plse help me...
Posted by zeugma on January 4, 2004, at 16:43:16
In reply to OK, i seriousley need help !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 4, 2004, at 16:16:42
Maybe you could try Klonopin to calm down what sounds like terrible anxiety/panic. It is a very effective med and I don't think it would cause problems with remeron or blood pressure.
Posted by brussell on January 4, 2004, at 17:47:05
In reply to OK, i seriousley need help !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 4, 2004, at 16:16:42
I think you should demand hospitalization. Your symptoms are definitely bad enough, and it might get your mother and doctor to take your condition seriously.
That said, I think the best drugs for frightening violent thoughts are antipsychotics, like Zyprexa (olanzapine).
Good luck. I'm horrified at the apparent indifference of your doctors to your suffering. Have you told them how bad it is? If you have to go to the hospital and threaten suicide to get help, that's what you should do.
Posted by steve3211 on January 4, 2004, at 19:38:45
In reply to OK, i seriousley need help !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 4, 2004, at 16:16:42
hang in there ok. And get to a hospital.
Steve
Posted by Sooshi on January 4, 2004, at 21:48:13
In reply to OK, i seriousley need help !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 4, 2004, at 16:16:42
I totally agree with brussell. You need to do whatever is necessary to get yourself some help, and if that means threatening suicide to get yourself hospitalized (sometimes what one has to do here in the States) then DO IT.
Harming yourself or others is a serious symptom of a major mental crisis, so demand some help, OK? If you were having severe chest pains (heart attack) or had fallen and broken a leg, you wouldn't hesitate to get help, and this is NO DIFFERENT, so go....
Posted by caroline on January 5, 2004, at 12:29:14
In reply to OK, i seriousley need help !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 4, 2004, at 16:16:42
Hi,
I'm also in the UK.
You have 2 options:
1. Go to your nearest casualty and tell them you are acutely suicidal and will kill yourself if someone doesn't help you immediately. I did this once. They put me on an inpatient psychiatric ward.
2. Take 30 paracetemol, get in the car and drive straight to casualty, and tell them what you've done and why (i.e. you don't want to live anymore). They will pump your stomach and admit you for psychiatric help. I've done this too.
I prefer option 1.
They are the only ways of getting urgent psychiatric treatment on the NHS, more's the pity.
Please get help and get it now.
Thinking of you!
Best, Caroline
Posted by Omega Woman on January 5, 2004, at 13:07:29
In reply to OK, i seriousley need help !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 4, 2004, at 16:16:42
I went to my NHS GP today and he said "I referred you to your psychiatrist three months ago".
I told him cancel the psychiatric appointments.
Instead I just use PsychoBabble and take the printouts to My GP, he prescribes me anything which looks promising.
Although whats happened is I went through my crazy time, with being an NHS Psychiatric InPatient, found PSychobabble and got into self assesment.
NHS Psychiatry is having big problems, I was reading all their policies and reports on the Royal college of Psychiatry. I find the Pdocs give you a clean bill of health, and patronise rather than say "were skint, either slit your wrists our get out"..
I'd like to see how you feel about my comments on the thread "Problems within British Psychiatry" its being re-directed and sitting in Psychobabble.
Posted by crazychickuk on January 5, 2004, at 13:40:55
In reply to Re: NHS psychiatry ?? » crazychickuk, posted by Omega Woman on January 5, 2004, at 13:07:29
Thankyou so much for the advice to all..
Caroline i would love to go to casualt yand tell them whats going on BUT i have my 4 yr old to think about unless i really sit down and have a good old chat with my mum.. but i doubt she will help me out.. and i will end up feeling alot worse due to rejection from my mother.. i am gonna give the doctor another go tommorrow.. and i will TELL him that i WILL take an od if i have too.. i will get so bad with him he might even admit me then!! BUT i dont want to be admitted i just want well NEED a counciler.. the nhs SUCKS !!
Posted by jms600 on January 5, 2004, at 17:14:12
In reply to OK, i seriousley need help !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 4, 2004, at 16:16:42
I agrre with everyone else here, the actions of your P/Docs with regard to your health is nothing short of terrible!
Your say that you have tried SSRIs and are now on Remeron? Have you tried Lithium or Carbamazepine? Both are for BP disorder, although I don't know too much about either of the medications as I suffer from clinical depression rather than BP.
I have found that 5mg Stelazine (a low dose anti psychotic) to help me with anxiety and uncomfortable thoughts. I also know of people with BP disorder, who take it for anxiety, along with Lithium.
If you don't get any joy with your current Psychiatrist demand to see another one.
Posted by crazychickuk on January 5, 2004, at 17:43:24
In reply to Re: OK, i seriousley need help !!, posted by zeugma on January 4, 2004, at 16:43:16
Hi again, i spoke to my doctor on the telephone and told him about what i said here etc, he said he wishes he can help me, but he isnt a mental health profesional and thats why he refered me to the mental health center, he reasured me that he has written to them 4 times, 4 TIMES withint the last 8 mnths !!!! and still to no avail have i heared anything, i said to him this is rediculous etc etc, he said for me to just hang in there with my remeron, i told him the way i am feeling and about this board, he said to me to ask you lot if you know of any med he can try me on for my depression, anxiety, panick attacks and awfull obsessive paranoid thoughts !! i am currently on remeron, i have tryed all other ssri's effexor (the worst) paxil, prozac, zoloft, celexa, etc etc all caused my bp to go to high, trylics caused me to basiclly fel as if my heart were to stop !! and valuim gave me a panick reaction at one time and i aint touched it since !! he said to me there is no pint sticking me on another ssri due to that fact it will have the same reaction all the other ssri's i have had, and the same with trylics, he said it would be a bad idea to have another benzo due to the suicidal risk, as it is a depressant, and he will not stick me on an maoi as that will defintly make my bp go high!! i asked about lithium he said no to that as that will also apparently make me more suicidal as studys have shown it is a depressant for manic patients, also i asked him about an antiphsycotic, he said that could be an answer for my awful evil paranoid obsessive thoughts!! BUT again it could cause phsycosis, i had to laff cus i could here him going hmm hmmm and turning pages in his book, looking up the meds i was telling him about .. lol... so anyways i am asking for your help, have i any options left?
I suffering with panick attacks on a daily basis especially when i am out of my house, anxiety to the point where i can not calm down BUT i do have proponol for that if it gets way out of hand along with breathing exercises, depression is creeping up on me due to the fact i feel remeron is starting to poop out and for the fact i am being messed about by the physciatrist, (ignorant bitch) and these evil, obssive paranoid thoughts r the worst, i have outburts of moods i am very short tempered especially to my sweet little girl who i know loves me as she hates going to school as she misses me.......
Any help plse?
Thanx again Donna
Posted by Omega Woman on January 6, 2004, at 0:10:48
In reply to OK I AM OFF TO DOC THURSDAY he said to ask you !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 5, 2004, at 17:43:24
Try omega 3 Salmon oil. I have been through most of the types of drugs you tried. I suppose whats common about them all is they go for one or two major Neurotransmitters. Many of them made me worse as they stimulated systems in the brain which just strained it more at the expense of the rest of the Organ. When the brain cant process anything thats when the Panic attacks seem to start.
Omega 3 provides Whole brain volume relief in the form of electrochemical insulation from too many Neurons firing, and getting tired. The importance of whole volume systems has barely been recognised by researchers in the past decade. Its only just begun again with the discovery of Glutamate dysfunction.
From the sound of your problems, talking therapies will give you an outlet to talk about the process of what mental illness does to your perceptions. If you end up with an NHS Psychologist you could end up with the false idea that that some sort of behavioural or environmental triggers are doing this to you. They may be true because you are ill. But its not worth the frustration of being with a person who can't discuss the degree to which your Neurology is the main culprit.
Whan I stayed in an NHS ward I used to see this pregnant mother come in with no appointment, and try to get attention. The Wards are full of Nurses and Pdocs. She was in a similar state to yourself. She would say she was going crazy and did'nt know what was happening from one minute to the next. I was surprised at how unmoved everyone was. Nobody wanted to do anything.
Psychologists seem to start out with good career intentions. Then the NHS makes them lazy and afraid to develop their own ideas. I know a young NHS Psychiatrist who is convinced he has discovered that Zinc is causing high incidences of Autism. His colleagues in the system tell him by their actions that discovering ideas on his own is not the right thing to do. The system Barely copes with the extreme cases. It does'nt like for example people who display postive symptoms of mental illness, they are too troublesome and outgoing.
Anyway knowing this might not be usefull. Being mentally ill used to ruin my concentration and ability to take anything in. I would become massively dramatic, and did'nt like people telling me they had been through the same thing. It was too hard to believe, especially with Panic attacks. Probably the most isolating mental experiences ever. Eventually the body can't sustain them. Eventually i learned to enjoy them. I would look at is as free daily excitement. They seemed to stop after this. Taking an attitude like this might not be possible with a young girl in the picture.
I got better when omega 3 started doing its stuff. The treatment is barely recognised or recommended by the NHS. Thats 3 years now, people who meet me are surprised if I suggest I used to be chronically ill and desperate all the time.
I think you should try a valium type drug again. I've taken a temporary reaction to them, usually when at my most burned out. Thats because they hit the system so quickly, and work so well. In the main they are very soothing and relaxing. Try smaller doses mixed in hot tea.
Posted by leopard on January 6, 2004, at 9:03:09
In reply to OK I AM OFF TO DOC THURSDAY he said to ask you !!, posted by crazychickuk on January 5, 2004, at 17:43:24
Hi there,
I could be wrong but I really think that the reason you are not responding to the Unipolar meds (SSRIs) is b/c you are Bipolar. Also, your paranoia and thoughts coincide with this diagnosis as well. I know, I am BPII and I share in your thoughts and feelings...and responses to the meds you are taking. I tried Geodon and it has been a miracle drug...no more crazy paranoid thoughts...please inquire about it...it doesn't have the weight gain that Zyprexa and Risperdol do...please seriouly look into it. Glad you are getting help! Keep posting!!!
Posted by bluesfan on January 6, 2004, at 9:25:32
In reply to Re: OK I AM OFF TO DOC THURSDAY he said to ask you !! » crazychickuk, posted by leopard on January 6, 2004, at 9:03:09
Can you tell me what your symptoms were to diagnose BPII? I am currently taking 10mg of Lexapro for depression, but I'm having a lot of thoughts of suicide/homicide that are disturbing that I have never had before. This all just started out of the blue about 3 weeks ago, so I'm not sure if I'm on the right drug or not. Thanks a lot for your help!
> Hi there,
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> I could be wrong but I really think that the reason you are not responding to the Unipolar meds (SSRIs) is b/c you are Bipolar. Also, your paranoia and thoughts coincide with this diagnosis as well. I know, I am BPII and I share in your thoughts and feelings...and responses to the meds you are taking. I tried Geodon and it has been a miracle drug...no more crazy paranoid thoughts...please inquire about it...it doesn't have the weight gain that Zyprexa and Risperdol do...please seriouly look into it. Glad you are getting help! Keep posting!!!
Posted by leopard on January 6, 2004, at 10:06:44
In reply to Re: OK I AM OFF TO DOC THURSDAY he said to ask you !! » leopard, posted by bluesfan on January 6, 2004, at 9:25:32
I get so f***in' pissed off at how lame some docs can be...I am angry b/c I went through the feelings of wanting to blow my head off alternating with feelings of paranoia/negative obsessive thoughts. If I wasn't taking any meds then I was reclusive, had knots in my stomach, paranoid (not super paranoid) but I would read into things...everyone was talking behind my back or judging me and I was constantly angry…a classic sign of BP I and II constant anger...what else...
I always had the honeymoon period when I first took an SSRI, but eventually I would sleep all day and not care that I did, and when I wasn't sleeping I was very aggressive. BP is the MOST misdiagnosed disease out there... PLEASE ask for BP meds...it seems like Lexapro isn't working because you are not unipolar...argh...I get so frustrated... also, get to your local bookstore or check out Amazon for books on BP...I trust you will find yourself on those pages...at least that is what happened to me. Now that I am on Geodon, it is painful to read about others who were in my shoes...hang in there and let me know how everything is going.
~Shannon
Can you tell me what your symptoms were to diagnose BPII? I am currently taking 10mg of Lexapro for depression, but I'm having a lot of thoughts of suicide/homicide that are disturbing that I have never had before. This all just started out of the blue about 3 weeks ago, so I'm not sure if I'm on the right drug or not. Thanks a lot for your help!
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> > Hi there,
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> > I could be wrong but I really think that the reason you are not responding to the Unipolar meds (SSRIs) is b/c you are Bipolar. Also, your paranoia and thoughts coincide with this diagnosis as well. I know, I am BPII and I share in your thoughts and feelings...and responses to the meds you are taking. I tried Geodon and it has been a miracle drug...no more crazy paranoid thoughts...please inquire about it...it doesn't have the weight gain that Zyprexa and Risperdol do...please seriouly look into it. Glad you are getting help! Keep posting!!!
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Posted by bluesfan on January 6, 2004, at 10:35:24
In reply to Re: OK I AM OFF TO DOC THURSDAY he said to ask you !! » bluesfan, posted by leopard on January 6, 2004, at 10:06:44
Thanks for the info.......I will read up on it and see if it sounds like me.
> I get so f***in' pissed off at how lame some docs can be...I am angry b/c I went through the feelings of wanting to blow my head off alternating with feelings of paranoia/negative obsessive thoughts. If I wasn't taking any meds then I was reclusive, had knots in my stomach, paranoid (not super paranoid) but I would read into things...everyone was talking behind my back or judging me and I was constantly angry…a classic sign of BP I and II constant anger...what else...
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> I always had the honeymoon period when I first took an SSRI, but eventually I would sleep all day and not care that I did, and when I wasn't sleeping I was very aggressive. BP is the MOST misdiagnosed disease out there... PLEASE ask for BP meds...it seems like Lexapro isn't working because you are not unipolar...argh...I get so frustrated... also, get to your local bookstore or check out Amazon for books on BP...I trust you will find yourself on those pages...at least that is what happened to me. Now that I am on Geodon, it is painful to read about others who were in my shoes...hang in there and let me know how everything is going.
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> ~Shannon
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> Can you tell me what your symptoms were to diagnose BPII? I am currently taking 10mg of Lexapro for depression, but I'm having a lot of thoughts of suicide/homicide that are disturbing that I have never had before. This all just started out of the blue about 3 weeks ago, so I'm not sure if I'm on the right drug or not. Thanks a lot for your help!
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> > > I could be wrong but I really think that the reason you are not responding to the Unipolar meds (SSRIs) is b/c you are Bipolar. Also, your paranoia and thoughts coincide with this diagnosis as well. I know, I am BPII and I share in your thoughts and feelings...and responses to the meds you are taking. I tried Geodon and it has been a miracle drug...no more crazy paranoid thoughts...please inquire about it...it doesn't have the weight gain that Zyprexa and Risperdol do...please seriouly look into it. Glad you are getting help! Keep posting!!!
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Posted by crazychickuk on January 6, 2004, at 11:55:53
In reply to Re: OK I AM OFF TO DOC THURSDAY he said to ask you !! » crazychickuk, posted by leopard on January 6, 2004, at 9:03:09
> Hi there,
>
> I could be wrong but I really think that the reason you are not responding to the Unipolar meds (SSRIs) is b/c you are Bipolar. Also, your paranoia and thoughts coincide with this diagnosis as well. I know, I am BPII and I share in your thoughts and feelings...and responses to the meds you are taking. I tried Geodon and it has been a miracle drug...no more crazy paranoid thoughts...please inquire about it...it doesn't have the weight gain that Zyprexa and Risperdol do...please seriouly look into it. Glad you are getting help! Keep posting!!!
Do i really sound bp11 ? i dont understand... i get panick attacks, aswell, all ssri's make me to manic and raises my bp... ? can someone enlighten me plse...
Posted by leopard on January 6, 2004, at 12:10:33
In reply to Re: OK I AM OFF TO DOC THURSDAY leopard???, posted by crazychickuk on January 6, 2004, at 11:55:53
Hi again,
I am not a doc, but I think there is such a strong possibility you could be a flavor of BP...whether it be I or II or rapid cycling or ultra rapid cycling...I am not sure...but I would start your homework now...read up on BP and run this by your doc(s)...anxiety/panic attacks and constant anger/irritability are classic BP signs...not to mention bad responses to unipolar meds.
Hang in there, time is on your side, things will get better...you just gotta be diligent and not give up. ;)
Posted by caroline on January 6, 2004, at 12:56:25
In reply to Re: CAROLINE?, posted by crazychickuk on January 5, 2004, at 13:40:55
Yeah, you have that right.
The NHS can really suck. It's so unfair you can't get help even when you're suicidal ...
I never wanted to be admitted either. I always made them let me discharge myself once they'd sorted a shrink + meds changes ...
Good luck with the doctor!
Thinking of you ...
Best, Caroline
Posted by caroline on January 6, 2004, at 13:03:08
In reply to Re: CAROLINE?, posted by crazychickuk on January 5, 2004, at 13:40:55
Donna,
It does sound rather as though it might be bipolar. If so, an antidepressant alone would never cut it for you. As Leopard advises, read up on bipola, try to figure whether you are BP1 or 2, and there are many sites that give you the treatment protocols of first choice for the different forms - i.e. which mood stabiliser drugs would be most likely to help you. My sister started on lithium, but is now on depakote, but there are many others.
GOOD LUCK!
Best, Caroline
Posted by nmk on January 6, 2004, at 15:00:35
In reply to Re: OK I AM OFF TO DOC THURSDAY leopard???, posted by crazychickuk on January 6, 2004, at 11:55:53
> Do i really sound bp11 ? i dont understand... i get panick attacks, aswell, all ssri's make me to manic and raises my bp... ? can someone enlighten me plse...
>
Please check out this informative website regarding BP I and II....I am sure it will help.www.psycheducation.org
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