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Posted by ace on October 29, 2003, at 17:26:26
This is going to push levels of dopamine right up. Correct?
If my OCD/anxiety/ is related to low levels of dopamine Amisulpride is gonna make me a happy Ace. Correct?
I am the Nardil Champion. Correct?
Nardil rules. Correct?
I keep saying correct. Correct?
I am being silly again. Correct?
See what Nardil does to me!!!Take care kids,
Ace.
Posted by btnd on October 30, 2003, at 9:17:26
In reply to Nardil + Amisulpride, posted by ace on October 29, 2003, at 17:26:26
> This is going to push levels of dopamine right up. Correct?
>
> If my OCD/anxiety/ is related to low levels of dopamine Amisulpride is gonna make me a happy Ace. Correct?
>
> I am the Nardil Champion. Correct?
>
> Nardil rules. Correct?
>
> I keep saying correct. Correct?
>
> I am being silly again. Correct?
>
>
> See what Nardil does to me!!!
>
> Take care kids,
>
> Ace.Amisulpride has such low level of side-effects (and especially in men) that I think you should give it a try. It's been a fantastic med for me.
Take care bro
Brad
Posted by ace on October 30, 2003, at 17:06:45
In reply to Re: Nardil + Amisulpride, posted by btnd on October 30, 2003, at 9:17:26
>
> Amisulpride has such low level of side-effects (and especially in men) that I think you should give it a try. It's been a fantastic med for me.
> Take care bro
> Brad
>Great to hear Brad! I assume it has eased social anxiety/depression? How long before it kicked in/at what dose? What time do you take it?
Thanks again mate!
Ace.
Posted by falconman on October 31, 2003, at 13:05:39
In reply to Nardil + Amisulpride, posted by ace on October 29, 2003, at 17:26:26
> This is going to push levels of dopamine right up. Correct?
>
> If my OCD/anxiety/ is related to low levels of dopamine Amisulpride is gonna make me a happy Ace. Correct?
>
> I am the Nardil Champion. Correct?
>
> Nardil rules. Correct?
>
> I keep saying correct. Correct?
>
> I am being silly again. Correct?
>
>
> See what Nardil does to me!!!
>
> Take care kids,
>
> Ace.Hi,
you sound a happy chap which is good.
long time since I posted. If I've got this right, only low dose amisulpride will increase dopaminergic activity(maybe upto only 200mg or something),higher doses will have the opposite effect(antipsychotic). This could make you a sad ACE-I don't want that cause your pro-nardil campaign is doing me good right now. Started taking 60mg 3 days ago.
Peace
Posted by btnd on October 31, 2003, at 13:53:12
In reply to Re: Nardil + Amisulpride » btnd, posted by ace on October 30, 2003, at 17:06:45
> Great to hear Brad! I assume it has eased social anxiety/depression? How long before it kicked in/at what dose? What time do you take it?
>
> Thanks again mate!
>
> Ace.Hey man
It hasn't eased my social anxiety - it totally fricking wiped it out of my life ! (I wish I had amisulpride 5 years ago...mmm...) I no longer have it, it is finally gone. And it doesn't feel like on Klonopin where I had ups and downs with the anxiety, and when I woke up I had SA/SP. Nowadays I NEVER have any negative thoughts involving social encounters. I'm so glad this med worked.
As far as depression it lifts mood up moderately. I use Ultram at 200mg from time to time because the combination definitely wipes out the depression completely.But my last problem is motivation and anergy. I'm looking for an add-on to amisulpride to increase my motivation/energy. Been experimenting with Adderall, would like to have a trial with Adrafinil or the best med one could get: Amineptine (although VERY expensive). I'm also thinking of trying Selegiline (Jumex) and Enada NADH. Of course not all of them at the same time. My order would be: Selegiline first, then NADH, then Adrafinil. Well, if at any point of my trials , amineptine prices would drop to a decent level - I've heard that the combo of amisulpride and amineptine is outrageous - it turns dysthymic person into totally euthymic outgoing social-guy.
As for me taking amisulpride - It kicked in at around 4 weeks. I've been taking 50mg/day of it (my pdoc said to take 100 mg but I read all the studies and figured out 100 would be too much).
No side effects, but pdoc warned me of increased Prolactin so I'll need to check it out in near future.If ya got any more qs - go ahead bro, I can talk about amisulpride all day since it has been such a wonderful med. I wish all you guys would print out the dysthymia + amisulpride studies, bring it to your pdocs, and show them that NOT SSRI, NOT old tricyclics, but DOPAMINERGICS are effective for dysthymia,melancholy,social phobia. I'm not kidding about printint out the studies - that's what I did and I know if I hadn't done it - my pdoc would prescribe me something different.
Posted by KimberlyDi on October 31, 2003, at 14:01:22
In reply to Re: Nardil + Amisulpride, posted by btnd on October 30, 2003, at 9:17:26
Time and time again I think, "hey bartender, give me a double of whatever Ace is having..."
> > This is going to push levels of dopamine right up. Correct?
> >
> > If my OCD/anxiety/ is related to low levels of dopamine Amisulpride is gonna make me a happy Ace. Correct?
> >
> > I am the Nardil Champion. Correct?
> >
> > Nardil rules. Correct?
> >
> > I keep saying correct. Correct?
> >
> > I am being silly again. Correct?
> >
> >
> > See what Nardil does to me!!!
> >
> > Take care kids,
> >
> > Ace.
>
> Amisulpride has such low level of side-effects (and especially in men) that I think you should give it a try. It's been a fantastic med for me.
> Take care bro
> Brad
>
Posted by falconman on October 31, 2003, at 14:57:07
In reply to Re: Nardil + Amisulpride » btnd » ace, posted by btnd on October 31, 2003, at 13:53:12
>
> > Great to hear Brad! I assume it has eased social anxiety/depression? How long before it kicked in/at what dose? What time do you take it?
> >
> > Thanks again mate!
> >
> > Ace.
>
> Hey man
> It hasn't eased my social anxiety - it totally fricking wiped it out of my life ! (I wish I had amisulpride 5 years ago...mmm...) I no longer have it, it is finally gone. And it doesn't feel like on Klonopin where I had ups and downs with the anxiety, and when I woke up I had SA/SP. Nowadays I NEVER have any negative thoughts involving social encounters. I'm so glad this med worked.
> As far as depression it lifts mood up moderately. I use Ultram at 200mg from time to time because the combination definitely wipes out the depression completely.
>
> But my last problem is motivation and anergy. I'm looking for an add-on to amisulpride to increase my motivation/energy. Been experimenting with Adderall, would like to have a trial with Adrafinil or the best med one could get: Amineptine (although VERY expensive). I'm also thinking of trying Selegiline (Jumex) and Enada NADH. Of course not all of them at the same time. My order would be: Selegiline first, then NADH, then Adrafinil. Well, if at any point of my trials , amineptine prices would drop to a decent level - I've heard that the combo of amisulpride and amineptine is outrageous - it turns dysthymic person into totally euthymic outgoing social-guy.
>
> As for me taking amisulpride - It kicked in at around 4 weeks. I've been taking 50mg/day of it (my pdoc said to take 100 mg but I read all the studies and figured out 100 would be too much).
> No side effects, but pdoc warned me of increased Prolactin so I'll need to check it out in near future.
>
> If ya got any more qs - go ahead bro, I can talk about amisulpride all day since it has been such a wonderful med. I wish all you guys would print out the dysthymia + amisulpride studies, bring it to your pdocs, and show them that NOT SSRI, NOT old tricyclics, but DOPAMINERGICS are effective for dysthymia,melancholy,social phobia. I'm not kidding about printint out the studies - that's what I did and I know if I hadn't done it - my pdoc would prescribe me something different.
>Hi,
It really F***s me off the way dopaminergic drugs are not used for SP,depression ect. I've had to put up with endless SSRi poison that makes me feel much worse. can you tell me the web address where I can get hold of these studies on amisulpride/dysthymia.
I'm on Klonopin 3.5mg/d and have just started nardil. Social phobia is one of my main probs.If nardil does me justice I'm gonna try and get off the Klonopin because its screwing with my creativity, motivation etc. Maybe Amisulpride could take its place.
I've been on selegeline and NADH before. I'm really lacking in energy. If you can get hold of it, a high dose of selegeline hits the spot. Upto about 60mg I didn't feel anything really, but 80mg was excellent for energy and SP. I had no side effects with it and did not have to change my diet at all. Had to come off it cause no p-doc would prescribe it here in the UK. I was getting it off the net and it cost far too much. NADH didn't really do anything for me.
Peace
Posted by ace on October 31, 2003, at 23:15:26
In reply to Re: Nardil + Amisulpride » btnd » ace, posted by btnd on October 31, 2003, at 13:53:12
>
> > Great to hear Brad! I assume it has eased social anxiety/depression? How long before it kicked in/at what dose? What time do you take it?
> >
> > Thanks again mate!
> >
> > Ace.
>
> Hey man
> It hasn't eased my social anxiety - it totally fricking wiped it out of my life !Wonderful to hear mate!
(I wish I had amisulpride 5 years ago...mmm...) I no longer have it, it is finally gone. And it doesn't feel like on Klonopin where I had ups and downs with the anxiety, and when I woke up I had SA/SP. Nowadays I NEVER have any negative thoughts involving social encounters. I'm so glad this med worked.I'm glad for you too man!
So you feel confident in all social encounters?
> As far as depression it lifts mood up moderately. I use Ultram at 200mg from time to time because the combination definitely wipes out the depression completely.
>
> But my last problem is motivation and anergy. I'm looking for an add-on to amisulpride to increase my motivation/energy. Been experimenting with Adderall, would like to have a trial with Adrafinil or the best med one could get: Amineptine (although VERY expensive). I'm also thinking of trying Selegiline (Jumex) and Enada NADH. Of course not all of them at the same time. My order would be: Selegiline first, then NADH, then Adrafinil. Well, if at any point of my trials , amineptine prices would drop to a decent level - I've heard that the combo of amisulpride and amineptine is outrageous - it turns dysthymic person into totally euthymic outgoing social-guy.Hmmm...I could recommend a med called ... NARDIL! I bet you knew that was coming!
> As for me taking amisulpride - It kicked in at around 4 weeks. I've been taking 50mg/day of it (my pdoc said to take 100 mg but I read all the studies and figured out 100 would be too much).I take it you split a 100mg pill in half? We only have 100mg + 200mg pills in Aussie land here.
> No side effects, but pdoc warned me of increased Prolactin so I'll need to check it out in near future.
At that dose I reckon you're preety safe, but i guess it's better to be safe than soory, as they say.
>
> If ya got any more qs - go ahead bro, I can talk about amisulpride all day since it has been such a wonderful med. I wish all you guys would print out the dysthymia + amisulpride studies, bring it to your pdocs, and show them that NOT SSRI, NOT old tricyclics, but DOPAMINERGICS are effective for dysthymia,melancholy,social phobia. I'm not kidding about printint out the studies -Already done it! My doc is very open minded and willing for me to choose my own treatment. I just got some Amisulpride- will be trying it soon.
that's what I did and I know if I hadn't done it - my pdoc would prescribe me something different.
>You got to be in charge bro!
Congratulations again mate, and take Care!
Ace.
Posted by ace on October 31, 2003, at 23:17:15
In reply to Re: Nardil + Amisulpride, posted by KimberlyDi on October 31, 2003, at 14:01:22
> Time and time again I think, "hey bartender, give me a double of whatever Ace is having..."
>
>
2 Ace's in the world?! Is the world ready for that!!!!!Cheers!
Ace
Posted by ace on October 31, 2003, at 23:20:50
In reply to Re: Nardil + Amisulpride -BRAD, posted by falconman on October 31, 2003, at 14:57:07
> Hi,
> It really F***s me off the way dopaminergic drugs are not used for SP,depression ect. I've had to put up with endless SSRi poison that makes me feel much worse. can you tell me the web address where I can get hold of these studies on amisulpride/dysthymia.
> I'm on Klonopin 3.5mg/d and have just started nardil. Social phobia is one of my main probs.If nardil does me justice I'm gonna try and get off the Klonopin because its screwing with my creativity, motivation etc. Maybe Amisulpride could take its place.Dude, wait for the Nardil to kick in- I have a feeling you might be pleasently suprised! Just remember you might need a high dose and it might take a while to kick in.
> I've been on selegeline and NADH before. I'm really lacking in energy. If you can get hold of it, a high dose of selegeline hits the spot. Upto about 60mg I didn't feel anything really, but 80mg was excellent for energy and SP.
I think you will need a higher dose of Nardil...ie 75-90mg.
I had no side effects with it and did not have to change my diet at all. Had to come off it cause no p-doc would prescribe it here in the UK. I was getting it off the net and it cost far too much. NADH didn't really do anything for me.
> Peace
>Nardil is a real treat! I'll let you know how the Amisulpride goes with my nardil- I'm starting it soon and I think it's gunna be a real ride!
Ace.
Posted by ace on October 31, 2003, at 23:25:09
In reply to Re: Nardil + AmisulprideACE, posted by falconman on October 31, 2003, at 13:05:39
> > This is going to push levels of dopamine right up. Correct?
> >
> > If my OCD/anxiety/ is related to low levels of dopamine Amisulpride is gonna make me a happy Ace. Correct?
> >
> > I am the Nardil Champion. Correct?
> >
> > Nardil rules. Correct?
> >
> > I keep saying correct. Correct?
> >
> > I am being silly again. Correct?
> >
> >
> > See what Nardil does to me!!!
> >
> > Take care kids,
> >
> > Ace.
>
> Hi,
> you sound a happy chap which is good.
> long time since I posted. If I've got this right, only low dose amisulpride will increase dopaminergic activity(maybe upto only 200mg or something),higher doses will have the opposite effect(antipsychotic). This could make you a sad ACE-I don't want that cause your pro-nardil campaign is doing me good right now. Started taking 60mg 3 days ago.
> Peace
>Exactly right mate! I will only be taking 50mg. It's quite insightful that you pointed this out. Usually an antipsychotic with Nardil would be bad- it would reverse Nardil's dopaminergic action- no one ever mentions this and I've looked heaps.
That is what you mean right? The antipsychotic action of reducing dopamine working against Nardil.
BTW, good luck with Nardil, and ask me any questions- I know the ins and outs of that miracle drug real well!
Ace.
Posted by BK on November 1, 2003, at 6:44:43
In reply to Re: Nardil + AmisulprideACE » falconman, posted by ace on October 31, 2003, at 23:25:09
ACE,
I've really enjoyed your posts and insights in the past. I took Nardil about 17 years ago for depression and SP. It was an absolute miracle drug for me initially. It completley lifted my depression and wiped-out my SP. Unfortunately, and rather cruely, it only lasted about four months and then had the exact opposite effects.
I tried taking it several times later, but it never seemed to have nearly the same effects as the initial time. Now, some 12 years later, I'm thinking of starting it again for lack of any alternatives (i've literally tried everything else out there to no avail). These last posts suggesting using Amisulpride have me very excited! I've read your site regarding the augmentation of Nardil with various other agents. That too seems promising. Its difficult to get motivated getting back on the Nardil due to the nasty side effects and the high potential of disappointment. But I guess its worth a try!
Posted by falconman on November 1, 2003, at 6:51:35
In reply to Re: Nardil + AmisulprideACE » falconman, posted by ace on October 31, 2003, at 23:25:09
> > > This is going to push levels of dopamine right up. Correct?
> > >
> > > If my OCD/anxiety/ is related to low levels of dopamine Amisulpride is gonna make me a happy Ace. Correct?
> > >
> > > I am the Nardil Champion. Correct?
> > >
> > > Nardil rules. Correct?
> > >
> > > I keep saying correct. Correct?
> > >
> > > I am being silly again. Correct?
> > >
> > >
> > > See what Nardil does to me!!!
> > >
> > > Take care kids,
> > >
> > > Ace.
> >
> > Hi,
> > you sound a happy chap which is good.
> > long time since I posted. If I've got this right, only low dose amisulpride will increase dopaminergic activity(maybe upto only 200mg or something),higher doses will have the opposite effect(antipsychotic). This could make you a sad ACE-I don't want that cause your pro-nardil campaign is doing me good right now. Started taking 60mg 3 days ago.
> > Peace
> >
>
> Exactly right mate! I will only be taking 50mg. It's quite insightful that you pointed this out. Usually an antipsychotic with Nardil would be bad- it would reverse Nardil's dopaminergic action- no one ever mentions this and I've looked heaps.
>
> That is what you mean right? The antipsychotic action of reducing dopamine working against Nardil.
>
> BTW, good luck with Nardil, and ask me any questions- I know the ins and outs of that miracle drug real well!
>
> Ace.Hi,
yeah you got what I meant. Its like Amisulpride is one drug at a low dose and a completely opposite drug at a high dose which would reduce dopaminergic activity.Alright then, few qu's about phenelzine.
What side effects did you get first, cause so far I'm having none except the fact I can't have sex with my girlfriend.
If you eat a small amount of food containing tyramine, might you just get a minor reaction to it, ie. very small rise in BP and mild headache. Or Is it an 'all or nothing' phenomena, ie. you either get a full blown hypertensive crisis or no reaction at all. Its just that I ate steak last night(mmmm...very very good)and about 45 mins after I could feel my blood was pumping pretty fast and I had a mild headacke.
I Couldn't figure out if this was a mild reaction to the juicy steak or finally some side effects. If everyone else gets them,I want side effects Man!! I need this thing to work!! Took 75mg yesterday(day 3), if this had been the 3rd day of an ssri I'd be freaked out with anxiety,depersonalization,etc...Funny how wrong the perception of MAOi's is by your average doc.Let me know how phenelzine+amisulpride mix goes.
Peace
Posted by BK on November 2, 2003, at 6:29:04
In reply to Re: Nardil + AmisulprideACE, posted by falconman on November 1, 2003, at 6:51:35
> > > > This is going to push levels of dopamine right up. Correct?
> > > >
> > > > If my OCD/anxiety/ is related to low levels of dopamine Amisulpride is gonna make me a happy Ace. Correct?
> > > >
> > > > I am the Nardil Champion. Correct?
> > > >
> > > > Nardil rules. Correct?
> > > >
> > > > I keep saying correct. Correct?
> > > >
> > > > I am being silly again. Correct?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > See what Nardil does to me!!!
> > > >
> > > > Take care kids,
> > > >
> > > > Ace.
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > you sound a happy chap which is good.
> > > long time since I posted. If I've got this right, only low dose amisulpride will increase dopaminergic activity(maybe upto only 200mg or something),higher doses will have the opposite effect(antipsychotic). This could make you a sad ACE-I don't want that cause your pro-nardil campaign is doing me good right now. Started taking 60mg 3 days ago.
> > > Peace
> > >
> >
> > Exactly right mate! I will only be taking 50mg. It's quite insightful that you pointed this out. Usually an antipsychotic with Nardil would be bad- it would reverse Nardil's dopaminergic action- no one ever mentions this and I've looked heaps.
> >
> > That is what you mean right? The antipsychotic action of reducing dopamine working against Nardil.
> >
> > BTW, good luck with Nardil, and ask me any questions- I know the ins and outs of that miracle drug real well!
> >
> > Ace.
>
> Hi,
> yeah you got what I meant. Its like Amisulpride is one drug at a low dose and a completely opposite drug at a high dose which would reduce dopaminergic activity.
>
> Alright then, few qu's about phenelzine.
>
> What side effects did you get first, cause so far I'm having none except the fact I can't have sex with my girlfriend.
>
> If you eat a small amount of food containing tyramine, might you just get a minor reaction to it, ie. very small rise in BP and mild headache. Or Is it an 'all or nothing' phenomena, ie. you either get a full blown hypertensive crisis or no reaction at all. Its just that I ate steak last night(mmmm...very very good)and about 45 mins after I could feel my blood was pumping pretty fast and I had a mild headacke.
> I Couldn't figure out if this was a mild reaction to the juicy steak or finally some side effects. If everyone else gets them,I want side effects Man!! I need this thing to work!! Took 75mg yesterday(day 3), if this had been the 3rd day of an ssri I'd be freaked out with anxiety,depersonalization,etc...Funny how wrong the perception of MAOi's is by your average doc.
>
> Let me know how phenelzine+amisulpride mix goes.
> Peace
>
>
>
>
>Falco,
The "nasty" side effects I was referring to included wicked constipation, insomnia, and, of course, sexual dysfunction. I never experienced a hypertensive episode, but i was pretty careful with the diet. The side effects that i commonly experienced with the SRRI's, anxiety, and worsen depression, were not a factor with Nardil. As I remember it, after three weeks of feeling practically nothing, which was a blessing in itself, i.e., no side effects, the drug magically kicked in one night and I was literally free of all my SP symptoms and depression! If it had lasted, my life, some fifteen years later, would've been so much different and a lot less painful and hell of a lot more productive.
Posted by falconman on November 2, 2003, at 7:39:46
In reply to Re: Nardil + AmisulprideACE, posted by BK on November 2, 2003, at 6:29:04
> > > > > This is going to push levels of dopamine right up. Correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > If my OCD/anxiety/ is related to low levels of dopamine Amisulpride is gonna make me a happy Ace. Correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am the Nardil Champion. Correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > Nardil rules. Correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > I keep saying correct. Correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am being silly again. Correct?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > See what Nardil does to me!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Take care kids,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ace.
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > you sound a happy chap which is good.
> > > > long time since I posted. If I've got this right, only low dose amisulpride will increase dopaminergic activity(maybe upto only 200mg or something),higher doses will have the opposite effect(antipsychotic). This could make you a sad ACE-I don't want that cause your pro-nardil campaign is doing me good right now. Started taking 60mg 3 days ago.
> > > > Peace
> > > >
> > >
> > > Exactly right mate! I will only be taking 50mg. It's quite insightful that you pointed this out. Usually an antipsychotic with Nardil would be bad- it would reverse Nardil's dopaminergic action- no one ever mentions this and I've looked heaps.
> > >
> > > That is what you mean right? The antipsychotic action of reducing dopamine working against Nardil.
> > >
> > > BTW, good luck with Nardil, and ask me any questions- I know the ins and outs of that miracle drug real well!
> > >
> > > Ace.
> >
> > Hi,
> > yeah you got what I meant. Its like Amisulpride is one drug at a low dose and a completely opposite drug at a high dose which would reduce dopaminergic activity.
> >
> > Alright then, few qu's about phenelzine.
> >
> > What side effects did you get first, cause so far I'm having none except the fact I can't have sex with my girlfriend.
> >
> > If you eat a small amount of food containing tyramine, might you just get a minor reaction to it, ie. very small rise in BP and mild headache. Or Is it an 'all or nothing' phenomena, ie. you either get a full blown hypertensive crisis or no reaction at all. Its just that I ate steak last night(mmmm...very very good)and about 45 mins after I could feel my blood was pumping pretty fast and I had a mild headacke.
> > I Couldn't figure out if this was a mild reaction to the juicy steak or finally some side effects. If everyone else gets them,I want side effects Man!! I need this thing to work!! Took 75mg yesterday(day 3), if this had been the 3rd day of an ssri I'd be freaked out with anxiety,depersonalization,etc...Funny how wrong the perception of MAOi's is by your average doc.
> >
> > Let me know how phenelzine+amisulpride mix goes.
> > Peace
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Falco,
>
> The "nasty" side effects I was referring to included wicked constipation, insomnia, and, of course, sexual dysfunction. I never experienced a hypertensive episode, but i was pretty careful with the diet. The side effects that i commonly experienced with the SRRI's, anxiety, and worsen depression, were not a factor with Nardil. As I remember it, after three weeks of feeling practically nothing, which was a blessing in itself, i.e., no side effects, the drug magically kicked in one night and I was literally free of all my SP symptoms and depression! If it had lasted, my life, some fifteen years later, would've been so much different and a lot less painful and hell of a lot more productive.
>Thanks for the response BK. Sorry it didn't work out for you.
Are you saying that unlike other AD's, I might not feel side effects untill the drug actually kicks in (maybe in 2/3/4 weeks time)?
I just find this a bit weird thats all. I'm normally so sensitive with meds from the first day I take them, and with nardil being such a 'monster AD' I expected to be side effect ridden. This is day 4 or 5 now, and I've been taking 75mg since day 3. I have sexual dysfunction and possibly a tiny bit of cognitive dysfunction, but they really are my only side effects so far. If anything I'm crapping a bit better than usual! Maybe my dose of Klonopin helps with the side effects or maybe the docs given me sugar pills with a mild laxative?
peace Mark
Posted by ace on November 3, 2003, at 0:49:30
In reply to Re: Nardil + AmisulprideACE, posted by falconman on November 1, 2003, at 6:51:35
>
> Hi,
> yeah you got what I meant. Its like Amisulpride is one drug at a low dose and a completely opposite drug at a high dose which would reduce dopaminergic activity.
>
> Alright then, few qu's about phenelzine.
>
> What side effects did you get first, cause so far I'm having none except the fact I can't have sex with my girlfriend.Firstly, cognitive dysfunction, sedation, feeling like a drunk, sex drive increase, apathy, and anhedonia. Later on appetite increase, weight gain, anorgasmia (which went after several months), constipation (also went), dried up nose.
All side effects mostly go eventually.
>
> If you eat a small amount of food containing tyramine, might you just get a minor reaction to it, ie. very small rise in BP and mild headache. Or Is it an 'all or nothing' phenomena, ie. you either get a full blown hypertensive crisis or no reaction at all.No- you can get very small elevations in blood pressure when consuming small amounts of tyramine. Infact, you can get them even in the absence of consuming any tyramine- i get them a bit at 90mg- I don't mind the feeling- you have this wierd feeling oin the head.
Its just that I ate steak last night(mmmm...very very good)and about 45 mins after I could feel my blood was pumping pretty fast and I had a mild headacke.
> I Couldn't figure out if this was a mild reaction to the juicy steak or finally some side effects. If everyone else gets them,I want side effects Man!! I need this thing to work!! Took 75mg yesterday(day 3), if this had been the 3rd day of an ssri I'd be freaked out with anxiety,depersonalization,etc...Funny how wrong the perception of MAOi's is by your average doc.
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> Let me know how phenelzine+amisulpride mix goes.
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> Good luck dude, remember it can take some time to kick in. Ignore the doubters!Ace.
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Posted by ace on November 3, 2003, at 0:53:48
In reply to Re: Nardil + AmisulprideACE, posted by BK on November 1, 2003, at 6:44:43
> ACE,
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> I've really enjoyed your posts and insights in the pastThanks bro!
I took Nardil about 17 years ago for depression and SP. It was an absolute miracle drug for me initially. It completley lifted my depression and wiped-out my SP. Unfortunately, and rather cruely, it only lasted about four months and then had the exact opposite effects.
OK. Exactly what happened? Were you taking anything with it that could act against Nardil? What did you do when this happened?
Lowering dose for a few days then raisng back up usually helps.
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> I tried taking it several times later, but it never seemed to have nearly the same effects as the initial time.Sometimes, a second run on a med that worked can take much longer than the initial time to kick in. How long did you trial it for?
Now, some 12 years later, I'm thinking of starting it again for lack of any alternatives (i've literally tried everything else out there to no avail). These last posts suggesting using Amisulpride have me very excited! I've read your site regarding the augmentation of Nardil with various other agents.Which site?
That too seems promising. Its difficult to get motivated getting back on the Nardil due to the nasty side effects and the high potential of disappointment. But I guess its worth a try!
Nardil + Amisulpride is going to be a killer! More and more people are noticing high levels of dopamine, not serotonon, are correlated with happiness, and confidence.
Nardil + Amisulpride means a lot of dopamine upstairs!!
Good luck, keep in touch!
Ace.
Posted by BK on November 3, 2003, at 19:52:11
In reply to Re: Nardil + AmisulprideACE » BK, posted by ace on November 3, 2003, at 0:53:48
ACE,
Thanks for the thoughts - very helpful indeed. During my initial trial on Nardil, when it started to pooped out, I increased the dosage to 90 mg, which I couldn't tolerate. I had such bad hand shakes that I literally couldn't feed myself. I also tried going on and off and playing with the dosages. That would seem to get it to kick in again, but it really was unreliable and very hard to gage. I finally pulled the plug on Nardil after about six months.
My second try, some five years later, was very uneventful. After 4 weeks at a dosage of 75 mg, the drug kicked in, but rather then relieve my SP it made me very anxious. Lots of cognitive problems as well, namely with word recall. If I augmented with a couple of beers I would get euphoric, also coffee seemed to give me a kick. I realize both of these aren't recommended and can be dangerous. I stayed on the Nardil for about four months before I quit all together.
Like i said before, when it worked, it was the most magnificent feeling in the world. My sense of humor was awesome and i could engage anyone, anywhere. I also felt my writing skills were greatly increased. I'm going to try it again and I'll keep you posted as to my progress. I'm looking forward to your suggestions. Thanks for all of the support - it really means alot!
Lastly, the site that I was referring to was something like socialphobia.com. One of the frequent contributors on this site maintains it. In it, he suggests augmentations with Nardil. I mistakenly thought it was your site.
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