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Posted by adeel on September 8, 2003, at 19:15:35
... by award-winning medical journalist Robert Whitaker?
It's very well-documented, well-researched look at what a corrupt sham the psychiatric industry is.
I would be very afraid if I was taking these drugs.
Posted by stjames on September 8, 2003, at 19:38:31
In reply to Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by adeel on September 8, 2003, at 19:15:35
I would be very afraid if I was taking these drugs
Why ?
Posted by KimberlyDi on September 9, 2003, at 9:59:59
In reply to Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by adeel on September 8, 2003, at 19:15:35
Who are you? I laugh at your fear. I'm more afraid of myself when I'm OFF these drugs.
haKDi in Texas
> ... by award-winning medical journalist Robert Whitaker?
> It's very well-documented, well-researched look at what a corrupt sham the psychiatric industry is.
> I would be very afraid if I was taking these drugs.
Posted by adeel on September 9, 2003, at 10:32:28
In reply to Anyone read the new book Mad in America? » adeel, posted by KimberlyDi on September 9, 2003, at 9:59:59
You're also more likely to recover from your condition in a developing country than performing daily chemical lobotomies which are little-understood by the manufacturers themselves.
Please read that book, and best of luck.
Posted by EscherDementian on September 9, 2003, at 13:12:42
In reply to Anyone read the new book Mad in America? » adeel, posted by KimberlyDi on September 9, 2003, at 9:59:59
> > It's very well-documented, well-researched look at what a corrupt sham the psychiatric industry is.
> > I would be very afraid if I was taking these drugs.
> Who are you? I laugh at your fear. I'm more afraid of myself when I'm OFF these drugs.
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> KDi in Texas
)))))LOL for a lonnnng time((((((
KimberlyDi that is one of the BEST 'from the hip' shots i've read on this list! Thank you.Escher
Posted by oeps7 on September 9, 2003, at 13:45:17
In reply to Re: Anyone read the new book Mad in America?KDi, posted by EscherDementian on September 9, 2003, at 13:12:42
To adeel
Some people need these medications in order to be able to function- it sure beats not being able to get out of bed and leave the house.
You need to educate yourself on all sides of the story. Granted SSRI's seem to be overly perscribed but there are people who these medications haved helped a great deal.
There are pros and cons to medication. I was on SSRIs for 7 years and of course I have had side effects but they have helped me out of my chemical depression. Not all forms of depression can be helped by talk therapy alone.
I am one for trying the natural route but sometimes medication is needed.
Posted by Phil on September 9, 2003, at 13:55:40
In reply to Re: Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by adeel on September 9, 2003, at 10:32:28
> You're also more likely to recover from your condition in a developing country than performing daily chemical lobotomies...
I guess the epidemic of rural Chinese women committing suicide with pesticides wasn't included in the book.
I do not like drug companies or much else about medicine these days but I know what I know about treatment and that's what matters to me.
If the author advises all American's to get off meds, he's more dangerous than the disease itself.
The book does look good and I'll read it but to say that I or anyone else here is lobotomizing themselves is insensitive and frankly, ignorant of the day to day struggles we have to deal with. The biggest being well meaning, or not, people who have no idea what it's like to deal with this disease and encourage others to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
I don't know if you are trying to help matters by the tone of your post but if you know a better way, why not clue us in here and the millions of others around the world what you suggest as a cure. I'm not in a position right now to move to Cambodia.
I do not count on luck, I educate myself about treatment which includes walking or yoga as well as meds. Heck, I've even had years of therapy. My therapist doesn't even laugh anymore at the duct tape on my forehead.
I support your right to say what you believe but we are due a little respect ourselves.Peace,
Phil
Posted by oeps7 on September 9, 2003, at 14:05:49
In reply to Re: Anyone read the new book Mad in America? » adeel, posted by Phil on September 9, 2003, at 13:55:40
> > You're also more likely to recover from your condition in a developing country than performing daily chemical lobotomies...
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> I guess the epidemic of rural Chinese women committing suicide with pesticides wasn't included in the book.
> I do not like drug companies or much else about medicine these days but I know what I know about treatment and that's what matters to me.
> If the author advises all American's to get off meds, he's more dangerous than the disease itself.
> The book does look good and I'll read it but to say that I or anyone else here is lobotomizing themselves is insensitive and frankly, ignorant of the day to day struggles we have to deal with. The biggest being well meaning, or not, people who have no idea what it's like to deal with this disease and encourage others to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
> I don't know if you are trying to help matters by the tone of your post but if you know a better way, why not clue us in here and the millions of others around the world what you suggest as a cure. I'm not in a position right now to move to Cambodia.
> I do not count on luck, I educate myself about treatment which includes walking or yoga as well as meds. Heck, I've even had years of therapy. My therapist doesn't even laugh anymore at the duct tape on my forehead.
> I support your right to say what you believe but we are due a little respect ourselves.
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Posted by JonW on September 9, 2003, at 14:19:33
In reply to Re: Anyone read the new book Mad in America? » adeel, posted by Phil on September 9, 2003, at 13:55:40
Posted by loolot on September 9, 2003, at 14:32:07
In reply to Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by adeel on September 8, 2003, at 19:15:35
> ... by award-winning medical journalist Robert Whitaker?
> It's very well-documented, well-researched look at what a corrupt sham the psychiatric industry is.
> I would be very afraid if I was taking these drugs.This kinds of posts always make me wary because there is some kind of moralistic tone, as if we are all deviants who have strayed from the all that is right and good ('natural'). If you are trying to help people on this board with their physical health then tell us the risks outright, if this is a moral issue, take it elsewhere
Posted by EscherDementian on September 9, 2003, at 16:23:46
In reply to Well said, Phil (nm), posted by JonW on September 9, 2003, at 14:19:33
YES thank you, Phil. You've represented me as well, eloquently.
i second that 'three cheers'
Escher :)
Posted by Mariposa on September 9, 2003, at 16:27:25
In reply to Anyone read the new book Mad in America? » adeel, posted by KimberlyDi on September 9, 2003, at 9:59:59
> Who are you? I laugh at your fear. I'm more afraid of myself when I'm OFF these drugs.
> ha
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> KDi in Texas
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> > ... by award-winning medical journalist Robert Whitaker?
> > It's very well-documented, well-researched look at what a corrupt sham the psychiatric industry is.
> > I would be very afraid if I was taking these drugs.
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>I just had to jump in here....in my younger days I would have to be included in the *bootstraps* group, I thought if you were depressed you should just *snap yourself out of it*. Ah, the ignorance of youth!!!
Now that I have actually suffered this myself, I cannot disagree with you STRONGLY enough!! Like KDi, you would NOT want to see me in your rear view mirror 6 months ago, a road rage accident just waiting to happen, or come visit me at my job so I could get another customer complaint on my *rudeness*, or ask my husband if he felt comfortable going to sleep. I was a bomb with a hair trigger and bad news if you got me upset!!
O Brave New World......we will all be taking Soma and be forever happy!!! Do I believe we are over-medicated as a Nation?? Possibly, and yet there are SO MANY of us that *need* to be medicated, and are helped to make it through another day, I can't believe it is ALL BAD!
If you are trying to scare us it won't work, if you are trying to berate us for our problems, shame on you. If you are sincerely trying to *help* us, your tone is very insensitive.
I hope you never *need* to be medicated.
~~~8|8
Posted by Mariposa on September 9, 2003, at 16:37:22
In reply to Re: Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by Mariposa on September 9, 2003, at 16:27:25
I do not feel lobotomized, I function normally, I just don't *blow up* at my husband anymore just because I can't find my hair brush. Many of the meds you lump together allow us to live a *normal* life. And there are many caring and good professionals out there to whom you are doing a HUGE disservice by claiming they are all bad.
Posted by Sabina on September 9, 2003, at 17:12:51
In reply to Re: Anyone read the new book Mad in America? » adeel, posted by Phil on September 9, 2003, at 13:55:40
My curiosity has been piqued. I was just stopping by to read the book thread. I have to ask: Why do you have duct tape on your forehead? Do you really put duct tape on your forehead? Maybe I missed some joke or reference from earlier?
Sincerely,
Sabina
Posted by adeel on September 9, 2003, at 17:36:28
In reply to Re: Anyone read the new book Mad in America? » adeel, posted by Phil on September 9, 2003, at 13:55:40
Good, Phil's post is exactly the kind of thoughtful response I wanted to get. Apologies for my tone but to everyone who had a good laugh I actually take this seriously.
I had a few more questions because I want to learn more but realizing most of you are probably not interested in conversing with me any longer I guess I won't expect much. This education you've received about treatment... have you checked the sources? Is it the drug company or a genuinely independent researcher? Do you believe that psychiatrists are unbiased? Do you know what the long-term effects are? Have mental illness rates improved since the introduction of these drugs? Do you think maybe these 'new' disorders like GAD, SAD, ADD, and the extreme anger a couple of you referred are in some way natural coping mechanisms for our lifestyles?
I hope the tone of these questions is much easier to digest. I'm sure you've heard these all before! They all get addressed in this book and many others so I'd be interested to hear other people's response. Thanks and take care.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 9, 2003, at 17:52:53
In reply to Re: Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by adeel on September 9, 2003, at 17:36:28
> This education you've received about treatment... have you checked the sources? Is it the drug company or a genuinely independent researcher? Do you believe that psychiatrists are unbiased?
I'd like to redirect general discussion of education, drug companies, psychiatrists, etc., to Psycho-Social-Babble, thanks.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by adeel on September 9, 2003, at 18:07:55
In reply to Redirect: Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by Dr. Bob on September 9, 2003, at 17:52:53
Sounds good, thanks Bob.
Posted by linkadge on September 9, 2003, at 18:31:45
In reply to Redirect: Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by Dr. Bob on September 9, 2003, at 17:52:53
We do know what the effect that untreated depression has on the brain. And we know that antidepressants can protect the brain from this damage.
Even if the AD's simply preserve my brain till something better comes out, I am happy. Prozac prevented the hippocampal shrinkage that recuurent untreated depressive relapses had.
Linkadge
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 10, 2003, at 18:58:50
In reply to Redirect: Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by Dr. Bob on September 9, 2003, at 17:52:53
> I'd like to redirect general discussion of education, drug companies, psychiatrists, etc., to Psycho-Social-Babble, thanks.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20030829/msgs/258888.html
Bob
Posted by stjames on September 11, 2003, at 23:51:39
In reply to Anyone read the new book Mad in America?, posted by adeel on September 8, 2003, at 19:15:35
> I would be very afraid if I was taking these drugs.Would it be possible for you to answer my question
as to why you said this ? Or drop and run ?
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