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Re: Withdrawl Advice?

Posted by Salty_dog on August 20, 2003, at 18:43:38

In reply to Re: Effexor down the hatch KimberlyDi, posted by zinya on August 20, 2003, at 18:06:53

I suffer from Bi-Polar (I) which as far as I can tell is almost completely due to brain chemistry. I have ordered some books on the subject, which should arrive in the next few days.

My Dr. found out I was taking Prozac 80mg and sugested a plan to switch over to Effexor XR. I had already cut down to 150mg from 300mg but I didn't realise the Prozac whould amplify side-effects. I seem to recall my Dr. telling me to continue the Prozac, but I was wrong. I had taken Effexor XR 300mg with Xanax .50mg to stop the side-effects previous to meeting the current Dr.
Effexor XR had stopped working at about 6 months and I didn't see the need to continue at one year.
I meet the current Dr.(PCP) because he was on the insurance plan I had. He gave me a test to take and a copy to give to my spouse for evualtion of me. Both tests came back matching. Soo hear I am.
He sugested Bi-polar and prescribed Zyprexa. After a few months I found what it feels like to have peace in my life.
My Wife devourced me, I lost my job and I had to move out (not in that order). luckly, I had to Children on a regular basis. That too became a proublem when my now Ex-wife moved to NC. Which brings me to depression. Zyprexa dosn't word as a anti-depresent soo my Dr. had to do something.

 

to lucylucy

Posted by chewy on August 20, 2003, at 21:05:58

In reply to Re: Effexor down the hatch/ooomph/chewy, posted by lucylucy on August 20, 2003, at 17:19:17

Lucy, read what Kimberly di wrote a couple of entries back.

Everyone seems to respond differently to this stuff. I am confident that this Effexor is a good choice for me. Good luck to you!

 

Withdrawl Tactics

Posted by Salty_dog on August 20, 2003, at 21:45:50

In reply to to lucylucy, posted by chewy on August 20, 2003, at 21:05:58

I surfed the internet and came up with an interesting statement:

"Indications
For the symptomatic relief of depressive illness.

The effectiveness of venlafaxine in long-term use (i.e., for more than 4 to 6 weeks) has not been systematically evaluated in controlled trials. Therefore, the physician who elects to use venlafaxine for extended periods should periodically reevaluate the long-term usefulness of the drug for the individual patient."

Which is what I thought, it wasn't created for long term use (i.e., for more than 4 to 6 weeks)

If my PCP wants long term anti-depession effect (s)he should consider other options.

This would negate the withdrawl proublems completely since dependacy would not have long enough to realy take hold of our body and mind.
That also explains the 6 month burn out effect, it wasn't designed for long term use.

So, all things considered, the proublems we are having and the lack of a warning in the product info. sheet is because we are treading on new ground. I might add, thin ice comes to mind.

 

Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh

Posted by Emmy333 on August 21, 2003, at 8:26:37

In reply to Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh, posted by Jenneh on August 20, 2003, at 17:37:18

wow!! it's so great to feel that someone else does understand... i agree--i would never want anyone to go through this nightmare. it's an everyday battle for me. and just to let you know--i live in the u.s.--in indiana:) what about you? great hearing from you!

 

New update

Posted by Music on August 21, 2003, at 11:27:12

In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14

I went to my PDoc this morning, and she is very nice. She increased my Effexor XR to 225 mg per day from 150 mg. She says I suffer from Major Depression. I feel so alone most of the time. I feel so sad as well. If anyone is on the thread and lives in MO please let me know. I need a new friend that really understands the sadness that I am going through. Has anyone ever increased their Effexor Xr to 225 mg from 150 mg? If so, any major side effects from doing so?

 

Lou's response to music Music

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2003, at 11:34:58

In reply to New update, posted by Music on August 21, 2003, at 11:27:12

music,
you wrote,[...I need a new friend that understands the sadness that I am going through...].
Well, I have overcome major depression and I am not in your state, but in Ohio which is not too far away , but I could email with you at your request for I do understand the sadness that you are going through.
Lou
lpilder_1188@fuse.net

 

Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh

Posted by Jenneh on August 21, 2003, at 12:08:00

In reply to Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh, posted by Emmy333 on August 21, 2003, at 8:26:37

Hey there
I live in British Columbia, Canada. Yah, I agree - it IS an everyday battle. Have you had any more advice with regard to the zanex?

 

For Lou

Posted by Music on August 21, 2003, at 12:21:49

In reply to Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh, posted by Jenneh on August 21, 2003, at 12:08:00

Thank you for responding. I need support to get through the stress and sadness. Sometimes I don't even want to get out of bed I just want to sleep off the pain that I have inside. But the thing is I don't sleep a lot. I constantly worry about everything. I am loan officer and I have a lot of pressures with this job, but I am thankful for the given opportunity of this job. It pays the bills. I have to pretend to be happy when that is the last thing that I feel at work and at church ( I am a pastor's wife). Respond if you have any suggestions because my self talk right is pretty low.

 

Lou's reply to music Music

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2003, at 12:35:57

In reply to For Lou, posted by Music on August 21, 2003, at 12:21:49

music,
It sounds from your 2 posts that you have a very typical condition that can be overcome, for He is close to the broken-hearted and saves those that are crushed in spirit.
Lou

 

music, first time

Posted by chewy on August 21, 2003, at 12:50:54

In reply to New to taking Meds period, posted by Music on August 20, 2003, at 17:16:09

Hi there,

It sounds like you are headed in the right direction by asking for help. It is no fun to be around a group of people and still feel alone.

This is my second day on Effexor and i am using this group as part of my support system. I had a yawning spell late yesterday that lasted a couple of hours, and i wasn't tired! Perhaps effexor makes me yawn?

good luck to you!

 

Lou

Posted by Music on August 21, 2003, at 13:10:40

In reply to music, first time , posted by chewy on August 21, 2003, at 12:50:54

I know that God will get me through this. And as my therapist says it won't be overnight. I am not a very patient person, so waiting is hard for me. Lou, what do you for a living? And when were you diagnosed with depression? And what dose of Effexor XR are you on? If I am being too nosy please just tell me.

 

Lou's reply to music's post-INQ Music

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2003, at 13:49:04

In reply to Lou, posted by Music on August 21, 2003, at 13:10:40

music,
I am a retierd teacher. Diagnosis BPD, around 15 years ago.
I represent an alternative here to taking mind/mood altering drugs . I do not want people to stop their drug(s) without their Drs supervision and the alternative is for those that have not overcome their depression via the psychpharmicological system of psychiatry and would be willing to go a different rout as a last-resort.
Lou

 

Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh

Posted by Emmy333 on August 21, 2003, at 14:13:11

In reply to Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh, posted by Jenneh on August 21, 2003, at 12:08:00

no, i haven't had any more advice regarding the zanex. i really want to try it soon--especially w/ the holidays around the corner (yeah, i am ALREADY wiggin' out about them...) i don't know if you read my other posting, but i am suffering w/ getting red, blotchy hives all over my chest, arms, and face on a near daily basis--it happens if i get nervous or worry--so now i worry about that all day long too.

 

For Lou

Posted by Music on August 21, 2003, at 15:44:18

In reply to Lou's reply to music's post-INQ Music, posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2003, at 13:49:04

Lou, What route would that be?

Are you male or female? I know Lou could stand for short for Lou Ann or for a male Luis? Just wondering?

 

Re: New to taking Meds period Music

Posted by Belle Rose on August 21, 2003, at 15:59:22

In reply to New to taking Meds period, posted by Music on August 20, 2003, at 17:16:09

Had to respond as I too am a pastor's wife or was until my husband stepped down from ministry because of MS. I too am a career woman with a demanding job, have two children and feel overwhelmed and depressed most of the time. I have been diagnosed manic and during the manic episodes I can accomplish a great deal which makes up for when I crash and do nothing. More recently, I am mostly overwhelmed so just go home and sleep. When my husband was in ministry, he always wanted me to attend Sunday night prayer meetings (3-4 hours) in addition to Sunday mornings, weekly women's study and was always encouraging me to be move involved. He felt my lack of interest was "spiritual rebellion". I am actually relieved that he is not in ministry anymore. The worst part is the total isolation that you feel. People say, "why are you depressed today?", like you know why you woke up that way and chose to. I was treated with Effexor for three years but did not feel better and had terribly side effects from withdrawal but from working in the medical field, I have heard that some have very positive results. My best of luck to you. I wish I could tell you I have found a solution, but I am just trying to get through each day.

 

Re: When they say take at the same time every day... (nm)

Posted by Belle Rose on August 21, 2003, at 16:42:52

In reply to When they say take at the same time every day..., posted by lucylucy on August 20, 2003, at 13:45:24

 

Belle Rose

Posted by Music on August 21, 2003, at 17:35:59

In reply to Re: New to taking Meds period Music, posted by Belle Rose on August 21, 2003, at 15:59:22

Did you find it hard to even pray or feel like praying and being at church at times? I do. My husband and I are pretty young and we have only been in the ministry since Nov. 2000. But now he is going to Seminary full-time and we are pastoring two churhces. I hardly see him during the week. He is always busy with church and school things. I feel left out of the picture. We live about two hours from the churches because we live where he goes to school and where I work during the week and then on the weekends we live in the parsonage. Well, he goes back and forth I just live at the parsonage on the weekends. It is hard to go through this depression and aniexty I hate life most of the time. My self esteem is so low and lately I feel out of control. My husband does not understand fully, because I don't know how to ask for what I need and how to tell him. My therapist is helping me to overcome this. I feel so ashame to be in such a corporate setting and being a pastor's wife and why I can't just get over the depression. I feel very weak and lonely.

 

Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh

Posted by Jenneh on August 21, 2003, at 18:11:52

In reply to Re: Withdrawl Advice? for Jenneh, posted by Emmy333 on August 21, 2003, at 14:13:11

You poor thing. That must be hard. Have you ever tried cognitive or behavioural therapy? That might be a good thing to look into because I have been told that drugs on their own are just not that effective.
Feel free to talk anytmie. My personal email address is jen_long2@hotmail.com so if yuo want to vent or talk inj private about things buggin you, please contact me. I am only slowly gettnig better but I haev been through it all. You could use a support, I know. I wish I had found this forum when I was at MY worse. Anyways, take care hon.

 

Redirect: alternatives

Posted by Dr. Bob on August 21, 2003, at 19:09:33

In reply to Lou's reply to music's post-INQ Music, posted by Lou Pilder on August 21, 2003, at 13:49:04

> I represent an alternative here to taking mind/mood altering drugs .

This board is supposed to be for medication-related issues, so I'd like to ask that follow-ups regarding alternatives be redirected to Psychological Babble, Psycho-Babble Faith, etc. Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: I'm a newie to Effexor XR

Posted by lianne on August 22, 2003, at 12:02:32

In reply to Re: I'm a newie to Effexor XR, posted by Bronwyn on December 7, 2000, at 9:47:14

I am a newie and have taken Effexor RX 37.5 mg for one week. I am now starting another week with the 75mg. The point is, I don't feel my mood lifted or my energy level go up. Instead I am more tired all the time and on some occasions I feel like a zombie. Worst of all I have chills a lot and it's getting increasingly hard to spend more time at the office because I can't stand the air-conditioned building. Is it okay for me to quit now or go on takig the medication and expect some relief in the near future?

 

Re: I'm a newie to Effexor XR lianne

Posted by Helaine on August 22, 2003, at 12:13:45

In reply to Re: I'm a newie to Effexor XR, posted by lianne on August 22, 2003, at 12:02:32

Dear Lianne;
I was a newbie on effexor 37.5 too. I was on it for 1 month. I felt worse on it then I was before I started taking it! I weaned myself off of it with very little withdrawel side effects! I feel lucky about the withdrawels .. after reading some posts.
All I can say is everyones body chemistry is different. I wish you the best of luck. All I can suggest is if you don't like the way it's making you feel, and it's getting in the way of your everday life..I would talk to your dr.
You know your body best. If you do not agree with your dr..then I suggest see another one.
Best of luck to you!
Helaine

 

Re: I'm a newie to Effexor XR

Posted by BJL on August 22, 2003, at 12:46:05

In reply to Re: I'm a newie to Effexor XR lianne, posted by Helaine on August 22, 2003, at 12:13:45

These medications often take a couple of months to really start noticing the effects, so I wouldn't give up on it yet. If you don't notice any improvement in a couple of months, then I wouuld suggest talking with your doctor about switching or quitting. Good luck!

 

Re: I'm a newie to Effexor XR

Posted by lavender on August 22, 2003, at 15:07:45

In reply to Re: I'm a newie to Effexor XR, posted by lianne on August 22, 2003, at 12:02:32

don't quit too soon, give it at least 4-6 weeks, I know what you mean, I've been there, it does get better!

 

Re: Effexor down the hatch zinya

Posted by KimberlyDi on August 22, 2003, at 17:39:47

In reply to Re: Effexor down the hatch KimberlyDi, posted by zinya on August 20, 2003, at 18:06:53

Zinya,
I had one night of the night sweats. I also alternate between sweats & chills during the day also. Not sure if it's the Effexor or that I'm coming down with the flu.

Actually, I've hit a slump after my crying jag. I don't know if it's situational...? Or if I've been lying to myself that I can handle all the stress. I almost got into a fight with my worst sister-in-law, practically yelled at my boss, and almost quit my job. If I'm not angry, I'm crying. I see my pdoc early Sept and I'll get her opinion if I need a med change or if I need to just wait it out.

Take care!
KDi in Texas

> gosh, Kim, that sounds rough but also, as you say, surely very 'satisfying' in a way too that the appropriate tears flowed... I hope it is leading to whatever you seek in regular communication too...
>
> that was very good advice re Efffex you just gave. I'm still frustrated at lack of energy even at 150, with something of a setback this past week.
>
> I forget: did you or do you have the sweating problem? I thought it was tapering off and then 2 nights ago woke to such a puddle of sweat i had to change nightshirt and everything ...
>
> with hugs,
> zinya

 

Re: Effexor vs Prozac

Posted by ELENI4 on August 22, 2003, at 17:53:03

In reply to Re: Effexor vs Prozac LynnPerley, posted by Mariec on January 23, 2003, at 14:27:53

It has worked very well for me. I've tried many antidepressants (always a "grass is greener on the other side" kind of person), but always seem to come back to Effexor. It lessens my rage, calms my mood swings, and helps lift my depression in addition to lessening my anxiety and stopping my panic attacks. For me, the main difference between Effexor and Prozac was that the former seemed to give my mind a boost while the latter made me feel a little dippy. Effexor also upset my stomach a bit when I first started taking it, but that quickly faded. Other than that, the withdrawl from Effexor is MUCH worse than Prozac, so just be aware and taper off slowly.

> Thanks for the input. Prozac is just not working I am more aggitated now and more aggressive. Do not want anyone around or to touch me! My friend is on Effexor and said I should try it.
>


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