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Posted by Christina on November 28, 2000, at 17:34:00
In reply to Re: Alternative to Depakote, posted by tonia on November 17, 2000, at 14:24:35
Although I wholehartedly agree that journaling and exersizing are therapeutic and highly beneficial, I don't think it's wise to advise someone to stop taking all their prescribed medication without telling anyone.. especially their doctors!
The consequences can be devastating, if not fatal.It's the same as telling someone to stop their insulin or heart medication because they should be able to "work through" their diabetes or heart disease!
Most of us on this board are on prescription meds for diagnosed medical conditions, not because we're feeling a little blue or had unhappy childhoods!!
Stopping meds cold turkey -- without the supervision of a pdoc -- is usually a BAD idea!!
> yes-it's called tegretol. But I would recommend not taking any medications
> until you put the past behind you and figure out why you are the way you are
> taking meds to cover up that horrible feeling will do no good
> If you don't mind trying somthing that I did I will tell you it is the
> best pain that I have ever indured. just get off all your pills
> and lavish in that horrid feeling it gets less and less over time
> write down everything you feel, BUT ACT ON NOTHING! write poems, stories, or anything
> take care of #1 and thats YOU don't tell any one what your doing because they may not let
> you explore your self. Last of all the best thing you can do when all else fails and you don't
> think you can cope is excercise No Kidding! Spend ten minutes stretching your muscles first
> and then in a calculated manner repeat 4 or 5 excercises that you know, arm circles maybe 5 situps
> or say 20 calf raises, you get my point but when you do these excercises make sure you always do them in
> the same order. I did this and it was merely by accident that I helped myself, I hope this helps-if nothing
> else at least try what I said-you never know it might work for you to.
> --Tonia
Posted by BillG on April 12, 2001, at 18:31:05
In reply to Re: Alternative to Depakote, posted by Theresa on February 19, 1999, at 11:51:03
> I know lithium is approved for bipolar disorder, but it only works in about 60% of patients. Also, it's not for patients with certain bipolar problems (I forget if it's mixed states or rapid cycling or both) that are common. Many people also don't like to take it because of the side effects that can occur with fluid balance, i.e., getting dehydrated if you get too hot. So I don't think lithium is a magic bullet by any means.
>
> You're right about the drug companies approving anticonvulsants and then just letting patients be the "guinea pigs" for bipolar treatment. I have heard that Abbott is considering studying its newest anticonvulsant, tiagabine (Gabitril) for use in bipolar disorder, which would be a start, and would perhaps encourage other drug companies to sponsor trials of anticonvulsants for bipolar disorder. That way, we'd have a better grasp on efficacy, dosing, side effects, etc.
>
> Some antispsychotics such as olanzapine (Zyprexa) are being studied for bipolar disorder for acute mania or mixed episodes, so that may be a start too.Concerning this reference to Zyprexa, I have taken it, and although it controls the mood swings and the racing thoughts, I am now on Depakote as I like to be sexually active and Zyprexa raised my prolactin level so high, I was unable to acquire or maintain an erection. So, guys, I suggest another med. :)
>
> I think it's important not to get discouraged. There are many drugs available in many combinations. some people have to try dozens of combinations before they find the right one. It's the pits, but right now, that's the best medicine has to offer. It's a shame when you consider all the advances in other diseases such as cancer and AIDS.
>
> > >Tegretol was never approved for
> > >bipolar disorder. It's used so often for that indication, though, that it's
> > >hard to remember that.
> >
> > It is indeed, and very widely accepted. Although Peter Kramer relates a pretty funny story about how he decided to use Tegretol for a patient once (in _Moments of Engagement_).
> >
> > >As for Topamax causing weight loss, that's only
> > >based on one small study that I know of (Dr. Susan McElroy, Cincinnati). I
> > >think the APA meeting will have a lot more data presented on Topamax
> > >for bipolar disorder that may clear that up.
> >
> > Gosh, I wasn't even talking so much in terms of data as just "I know a few people who...." :-) Didn't know anyone was serious about Topamax as a bipolar drug.
> >
> > >Someday perhaps we'll have a targeted drug just for
> > >bipolar disorder (not approved for other indications) other than lithium!
> > >Wouldn't that be wonderful! (Drug companies, are you listening?)
> >
> > Don't hold your breath. Right now they have something (or other) going with the AEDs, and I've at least heard the claim that it's easier to get something approved for epilepsy (especially as "adjunctive treatment") than it is for manic-depression, so they just do that and then let the patients be the guinea pigs for bipolar.
> >
> > Anyway, what do you think lithium is? :-) (Just for the record, I didn't gain weight on lithium.)
> >
> > -elizabeth
Posted by frenchy on July 12, 2001, at 1:27:37
In reply to Oxcarbazepine (Trileptal) may be better choice, posted by Sunnely on November 17, 2000, at 22:17:59
Wow. I just started Depakote, and I had bad feelings about it from the beginning. I am extremely sensitive to my weight, and this is NOT going to be good. (And i'm VERY protective about my hair, I don't even want to mess around w/ this stuff.... )It's already killing my stomach! I have the worst pains... eugh!
I plan to get off of this med ASAP! I wish there was some med that didn't have side effects... oh how nice that would be!
I'm extremely worried about this... if anyone knows of a med that actually works but has no side effects, well then, tell me!!!
I am also on Wellbutrin Slow Release (100mg)... and i'm wondering if the effects of that will counter act the Depakote. Hmm.
I was on Neurontin before, and at first it worked a bit. Then I fell into a deep depression because it was keeping my mood in the dulldroms, and kinda went crazy. Then I stopped it. (And it was hard to loose weight on that stuff....) I'm worried about my poor drug-laiden body!!!!
Posted by SalArmy4me on July 12, 2001, at 11:01:25
In reply to Uh oh! , posted by frenchy on July 12, 2001, at 1:27:37
I wonder if the new Depakote ER formulation might have been better for you as far as side-effects are concerned.
Posted by Elizabeth on July 12, 2001, at 18:46:12
In reply to Uh oh! , posted by frenchy on July 12, 2001, at 1:27:37
FWIW, I took Depakote for a couple months (in 1997, a really bad year for me) at fairly high serum levels, and I didn't experience any noticeable side effects -- no sedation, weight gain, hair loss. It *can* happen.
IMO, the best way to go about these things is to pretend that you're not taking the medication -- just ignore it.
Pessimism is a symptom of depression and anxiety. Take it with a grain of salt.
(BTW, I'm protective of my long, thick hair too.)
Ask your doctor what you can do about the stomach pains. Taking it with food or milk might help.
Don't give up on it, especially if you're taking it for a condition for which it's strongly indicated.> I wish there was some med that didn't have side effects... oh how nice that would be!
Some people are more sensitive to side effects than others. But anyway, have you tried Lamictal? What condition(s) are you trying to treat?
> I'm extremely worried about this...
Sounds like anxiety to me. < g >
best wishes & hopes,
-elizabeth
Posted by Cece on July 12, 2001, at 21:50:45
In reply to Uh oh! , posted by frenchy on July 12, 2001, at 1:27:37
Hi-
I've been on Depakote (I'm BP II) for about 9 years. It was the first mood stabilizer that I tried. Over the years, as other meds have come along and been added to my mix, I've dropped my Dep down from 1000mg/day to 250mg/day (for awhile, I was only taking 125mg/day)- not enuf to even show on serum levels. But it adds its own particular contribution to my mood stability at this mini-dose.
I gained weight at the higher dose, negligible at my present dose (I gain weight very easily). My hair stopped falling out as I dropped down (I have thick hair). My stomach is touchy even without meds, so I take Zantac daily and am fine.
I take at lot of meds, most at very low, even sub-clinical levels. I hate having to bother with all this, but not nearly as much as I hated being alive when deeply depressed. I think that my body is much safer now.
I also take Milk Thistle capsules, which is protective for the liver, since a lot of meds make the liver work harder.
You may be someone like me, and others, who need more than one med to get balanced out. Try not to be afraid- I liked Elizabeth's advice-, and hang in there.
Cece
> Wow. I just started Depakote, and I had bad feelings about it from the beginning. I am extremely sensitive to my weight, and this is NOT going to be good. (And i'm VERY protective about my hair, I don't even want to mess around w/ this stuff.... )It's already killing my stomach! I have the worst pains... eugh!
> I plan to get off of this med ASAP! I wish there was some med that didn't have side effects... oh how nice that would be!
> I'm extremely worried about this... if anyone knows of a med that actually works but has no side effects, well then, tell me!!!
> I am also on Wellbutrin Slow Release (100mg)... and i'm wondering if the effects of that will counter act the Depakote. Hmm.
> I was on Neurontin before, and at first it worked a bit. Then I fell into a deep depression because it was keeping my mood in the dulldroms, and kinda went crazy. Then I stopped it. (And it was hard to loose weight on that stuff....) I'm worried about my poor drug-laiden body!!!!
Posted by frenchy on July 13, 2001, at 4:20:00
In reply to Re: Uh oh! » frenchy, posted by Cece on July 12, 2001, at 21:50:45
What they are trying to treat me for is bi-polar, rapid cycling.
It's not that i'm being pessimistic... okay, well, yea, I am, but i'm just afraid of meds really. I'm afraid of what they will do to me. You know, if they will make me tremble, or go crazy (I had a bad experience with Neurontin)....
It's just the fear of it.
I was recently hospitalized because I was unstable, and this is where they prescribed the meds. I'm on the Wellbutrin SR 100mg, Depakote 250 in the morning, 500 at night, and Trazadone (don't know if that is spelled right, and don't know the exact dosage at the moment).
I'm just concerned.... and another thing about Depakote... has it been usual for it to cause ringing in the ears? I've been getting awful ringing, and it's really stressing when i'm trying to read and can't concentrate because of the ringing.
Just wondering!
> Hi-
>
> I've been on Depakote (I'm BP II) for about 9 years. It was the first mood stabilizer that I tried. Over the years, as other meds have come along and been added to my mix, I've dropped my Dep down from 1000mg/day to 250mg/day (for awhile, I was only taking 125mg/day)- not enuf to even show on serum levels. But it adds its own particular contribution to my mood stability at this mini-dose.
>
> I gained weight at the higher dose, negligible at my present dose (I gain weight very easily). My hair stopped falling out as I dropped down (I have thick hair). My stomach is touchy even without meds, so I take Zantac daily and am fine.
>
> I take at lot of meds, most at very low, even sub-clinical levels. I hate having to bother with all this, but not nearly as much as I hated being alive when deeply depressed. I think that my body is much safer now.
>
> I also take Milk Thistle capsules, which is protective for the liver, since a lot of meds make the liver work harder.
>
> You may be someone like me, and others, who need more than one med to get balanced out. Try not to be afraid- I liked Elizabeth's advice-, and hang in there.
>
> Cece
>
>
>
> > Wow. I just started Depakote, and I had bad feelings about it from the beginning. I am extremely sensitive to my weight, and this is NOT going to be good. (And i'm VERY protective about my hair, I don't even want to mess around w/ this stuff.... )It's already killing my stomach! I have the worst pains... eugh!
> > I plan to get off of this med ASAP! I wish there was some med that didn't have side effects... oh how nice that would be!
> > I'm extremely worried about this... if anyone knows of a med that actually works but has no side effects, well then, tell me!!!
> > I am also on Wellbutrin Slow Release (100mg)... and i'm wondering if the effects of that will counter act the Depakote. Hmm.
> > I was on Neurontin before, and at first it worked a bit. Then I fell into a deep depression because it was keeping my mood in the dulldroms, and kinda went crazy. Then I stopped it. (And it was hard to loose weight on that stuff....) I'm worried about my poor drug-laiden body!!!!
Posted by Cece on July 14, 2001, at 3:26:56
In reply to Re: Uh oh! , posted by frenchy on July 13, 2001, at 4:20:00
> What they are trying to treat me for is bi-polar, rapid cycling.
> It's not that i'm being pessimistic... okay, well, yea, I am, but i'm just afraid of meds really. I'm afraid of what they will do to me. You know, if they will make me tremble, or go crazy (I had a bad experience with Neurontin)....
> It's just the fear of it.
> I was recently hospitalized because I was unstable, and this is where they prescribed the meds. I'm on the Wellbutrin SR 100mg, Depakote 250 in the morning, 500 at night, and Trazadone (don't know if that is spelled right, and don't know the exact dosage at the moment).
> I'm just concerned.... and another thing about Depakote... has it been usual for it to cause ringing in the ears? I've been getting awful ringing, and it's really stressing when i'm trying to read and can't concentrate because of the ringing.
> Just wondering!
>
>I was really afraid of meds for a long time myself- many years- and did not seek medical help (tried to work it all out in therapy).
One of the most important factors for me was finding a doctor who I could talk to easily, who I trusted to be on my side, who would answer my questions, and who was smart, up-to-date, and open minded- not perfect mind you, but a pretty good fit for me. (I had to go outside my health plan to find this doctor, and had to stretch my budget and spend my savings to do it.) Only after settling in with this particular pdoc did I become willing to go through all the trials of different meds that for some of us, are necessary.
At first, side effects are really scary, but then you learn to relax a little, see what passes over time (a lot of side effects do) and to evaluate priorities, i.e. is this helping me enuf in comparison to how much this side effect is bothering me.
But I think that having a doctor to work with who you can establish a good relationship with is paramount. You need that support- but sometimes you have to try out a few, or a lot, of doctors (like trying a few or a lot of meds). You need to be able to have your questions answered to your satisfaction (like: is this ringing in my ears related to the meds, or if not what else might be causing it?). It's also perfectly valid, and accepted medical practice, to seek a second opinion when you are making important medical decisions.
It's hard enuf to do through this process when you're relatively stable, but very, very hard in a time of crisis. This board can offer you support and the bonus of other people's experiences.
But no one can predict how a given med will affect you personally- there is so much individual variation. And, anxiety and instability can cause a lot of effects of their own- including trembling, stomach problems, ringing in the ears, and going crazy.
It's been helpful for me to start meds at especially low doses- because of my fear, and because I seem to be quite sensitive to med effects (good and bad ones), and to build up slowly.
I don't mean to sound frivolous- this has helped me maintain/regain sanity- how about getting a nice massage to relax some of those poor stressed out muscles. Or find a friend to exchange neck rubs with (my neighbor and I get together to watch TV and do this).
Best wishes,
Cece
Posted by Else on July 14, 2001, at 4:50:24
In reply to Re: Uh oh! , posted by frenchy on July 13, 2001, at 4:20:00
I was on Depakote for maybe 8 month. I stopped because it wasn't doing anything for me (I'm not bipolar). But on a dosage varying from 1000 to 2000 mg daily, I found there were very few side effects. I did not gain weight at all and I did not even have the added benefit of taking it with Wellbutrin (which is an effective appetite suppressant, in my opinion). As for hair, well, I did loose a few at the beginning but it eventually stopped and it was never visible in any way even though my hair is very fine and thin. I get ringing in my ears from aspirin but not from Depakote, I suppose the dosage involved makes a difference. As for stomach pains, well, I did find I had trouble digesting alcohol with Depakote but the worst stomach pain I ever got was from Effexor and they stopped when I gave it up even though I was still taking Depakote. I think you should give it a chance and see what happens.
> What they are trying to treat me for is bi-polar, rapid cycling.
> It's not that i'm being pessimistic... okay, well, yea, I am, but i'm just afraid of meds really. I'm afraid of what they will do to me. You know, if they will make me tremble, or go crazy (I had a bad experience with Neurontin)....
> It's just the fear of it.
> I was recently hospitalized because I was unstable, and this is where they prescribed the meds. I'm on the Wellbutrin SR 100mg, Depakote 250 in the morning, 500 at night, and Trazadone (don't know if that is spelled right, and don't know the exact dosage at the moment).
> I'm just concerned.... and another thing about Depakote... has it been usual for it to cause ringing in the ears? I've been getting awful ringing, and it's really stressing when i'm trying to read and can't concentrate because of the ringing.
> Just wondering!
>
>
> > Hi-
> >
> > I've been on Depakote (I'm BP II) for about 9 years. It was the first mood stabilizer that I tried. Over the years, as other meds have come along and been added to my mix, I've dropped my Dep down from 1000mg/day to 250mg/day (for awhile, I was only taking 125mg/day)- not enuf to even show on serum levels. But it adds its own particular contribution to my mood stability at this mini-dose.
> >
> > I gained weight at the higher dose, negligible at my present dose (I gain weight very easily). My hair stopped falling out as I dropped down (I have thick hair). My stomach is touchy even without meds, so I take Zantac daily and am fine.
> >
> > I take at lot of meds, most at very low, even sub-clinical levels. I hate having to bother with all this, but not nearly as much as I hated being alive when deeply depressed. I think that my body is much safer now.
> >
> > I also take Milk Thistle capsules, which is protective for the liver, since a lot of meds make the liver work harder.
> >
> > You may be someone like me, and others, who need more than one med to get balanced out. Try not to be afraid- I liked Elizabeth's advice-, and hang in there.
> >
> > Cece
> >
> >
> >
> > > Wow. I just started Depakote, and I had bad feelings about it from the beginning. I am extremely sensitive to my weight, and this is NOT going to be good. (And i'm VERY protective about my hair, I don't even want to mess around w/ this stuff.... )It's already killing my stomach! I have the worst pains... eugh!
> > > I plan to get off of this med ASAP! I wish there was some med that didn't have side effects... oh how nice that would be!
> > > I'm extremely worried about this... if anyone knows of a med that actually works but has no side effects, well then, tell me!!!
> > > I am also on Wellbutrin Slow Release (100mg)... and i'm wondering if the effects of that will counter act the Depakote. Hmm.
> > > I was on Neurontin before, and at first it worked a bit. Then I fell into a deep depression because it was keeping my mood in the dulldroms, and kinda went crazy. Then I stopped it. (And it was hard to loose weight on that stuff....) I'm worried about my poor drug-laiden body!!!!
Posted by JoeMe on July 14, 2001, at 12:06:48
In reply to Re: Uh oh! » frenchy, posted by Else on July 14, 2001, at 4:50:24
HI, I have just been diagnosed BiPolar Mixed/Rapid
I have been prescribed Depakote...My dosage is 500mg
for 5 days...1000mg next five days...1500 after that... I am scared that this is a lot of med to be taking(of course I would swallow an elephant if it can stop the insanity) I guess I am just looking for some hand holding. I am also on 300mg of wellbutrin. Any hints on evaluating my doc...he seems competent but I have no basis to judge.
Posted by Else on July 14, 2001, at 14:15:41
In reply to Re: Uh oh! , posted by JoeMe on July 14, 2001, at 12:06:48
That sounds pretty reasonnable actually. I assume the Wellbutrin is because of depression. It's a good drug but , in my experience, things can get worse before they get better. I find benzos help me get trough the first few days (shaking, insomnia, some hypomania in my case although this is supposed to be unusual.) In any case, good luck!
> HI, I have just been diagnosed BiPolar Mixed/Rapid
> I have been prescribed Depakote...My dosage is 500mg
> for 5 days...1000mg next five days...1500 after that... I am scared that this is a lot of med to be taking(of course I would swallow an elephant if it can stop the insanity) I guess I am just looking for some hand holding. I am also on 300mg of wellbutrin. Any hints on evaluating my doc...he seems competent but I have no basis to judge.
Posted by frenchy on July 15, 2001, at 17:29:27
In reply to Re: Uh oh! , posted by Else on July 14, 2001, at 14:15:41
What are benzos?
> That sounds pretty reasonnable actually. I assume the Wellbutrin is because of depression. It's a good drug but , in my experience, things can get worse before they get better. I find benzos help me get trough the first few days (shaking, insomnia, some hypomania in my case although this is supposed to be unusual.) In any case, good luck!
>
>
> > HI, I have just been diagnosed BiPolar Mixed/Rapid
> > I have been prescribed Depakote...My dosage is 500mg
> > for 5 days...1000mg next five days...1500 after that... I am scared that this is a lot of med to be taking(of course I would swallow an elephant if it can stop the insanity) I guess I am just looking for some hand holding. I am also on 300mg of wellbutrin. Any hints on evaluating my doc...he seems competent but I have no basis to judge.
Posted by Else on July 18, 2001, at 13:52:19
In reply to Re: Uh oh! Else, posted by frenchy on July 15, 2001, at 17:29:27
Klonopin (Rivotril), Ativan, Valium, Xanax, Serax, etc...
> What are benzos?
>
> > That sounds pretty reasonnable actually. I assume the Wellbutrin is because of depression. It's a good drug but , in my experience, things can get worse before they get better. I find benzos help me get trough the first few days (shaking, insomnia, some hypomania in my case although this is supposed to be unusual.) In any case, good luck!
> >
> >
> > > HI, I have just been diagnosed BiPolar Mixed/Rapid
> > > I have been prescribed Depakote...My dosage is 500mg
> > > for 5 days...1000mg next five days...1500 after that... I am scared that this is a lot of med to be taking(of course I would swallow an elephant if it can stop the insanity) I guess I am just looking for some hand holding. I am also on 300mg of wellbutrin. Any hints on evaluating my doc...he seems competent but I have no basis to judge.
Posted by SalArmy4me on July 19, 2001, at 1:05:49
In reply to Re: Uh oh! , posted by JoeMe on July 14, 2001, at 12:06:48
That sounds like a lot of medication but its actually not. Some people take 3000 mg of Depakote in divided doses for Intermittent Explosive Disorder.
> HI, I have just been diagnosed BiPolar Mixed/Rapid
> I have been prescribed Depakote...My dosage is 500mg
> for 5 days...1000mg next five days...1500 after that... I am scared that this is a lot of med to be taking(of course I would swallow an elephant if it can stop the insanity) I guess I am just looking for some hand holding. I am also on 300mg of wellbutrin. Any hints on evaluating my doc...he seems competent but I have no basis to judge.
Posted by joebob on July 11, 2003, at 20:43:29
In reply to Re: Alternative to Depakote, posted by BillG on April 12, 2001, at 18:31:05
from hans neiper
Posted by Torie on August 19, 2003, at 14:17:38
In reply to anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by joebob on July 11, 2003, at 20:43:29
Yes, we have. I read about it at the www.findserenitynow.com website and ordered some. However, I also found the identical formula for a fraction of the price ($39.99 for 90 tabs vs $12.00 for 200 tabs.) The brand name is Advanced Research, NCI Dr. Hans Nieper Products and I got it at www.lifesvigor.com. You can also find it a few other places if you look, but they had the best price. I also just ordered a bottle of lithium orotate from http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com to compare ingredients, as they say they have the only "true" Dr. Nieper formula.
But what we've been using definitely works! I have used it for severe depression, and feel better than I have in many years. Our bipolar daughter is now her old self again. No rages, no irrational thinking, no bizarre fears, no obsessions, no non-stop manic binges.... We now have a sweet and happy, very normal daughter again. It's hard for us to believe something so simple and so inexpensive could have such dramatic results after everything we've been though. But amazingly, it really seems to work.
BTW, I contacted one of the people listed on the Serenity website before we tried the lithium orotate (looked her up at Switchboard) and she was very helpful. She also gave me the number of her doctor to talk to about it if I wanted to call him. She said he has been really impressed with it and would be happy to talk to me. I also emailed a few people who I had seen mention lithium orotate (as Serenity) in different newsgroups, to ask them if they had tried it and if so, what their experience with it was. Here is one email I got back:
Hi,
Although I posted a question last year about that Synergy product,I decided to try Serenity- www.findserenitynow.com as it is natural form of Lithium but about 1/4 of the quantity that psychiatrists are prescribing because it contains Orotate-it is substance that bring Lithium behind blood barrier in the brain and therefore it is a same effect as 4 times more Lithium without it.
I have been using it for almost a year and feel great and I wish to recommend it from my own experience as I tried before Valproic Acid,Tegretol as well as Lithium but because Lithium in such large quantities caused me a lot of side effects, I prefer Serenity.
Sincerely-DavidI sincerely hope you have as good of results with lithium orotate as we have had. As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle product. No side effects of any kind, no liver concerns or having to get your blood tested or any of that, no 'drugged-up' feeling, just real results. Wow. We finally found something that actually works. If you have questions or want more info, you can email me at res003jh@gte.net
Posted by katia on August 19, 2003, at 15:08:07
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by Torie on August 19, 2003, at 14:17:38
Your daughter's depression lifted from lithium Or.?
katia
Posted by Torie on August 19, 2003, at 15:23:34
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » Torie, posted by katia on August 19, 2003, at 15:08:07
>
> Your daughter's depression lifted from lithium Or.?
> katia
>
MY severe depression is gone and I feel fantastic. Our daughter is bipolar and she now is like her old self -- seems completely normal and happy (not in a sky-high manic way) -- like she used to be before this horrible illness kicked in.Torie
Posted by katia on August 19, 2003, at 16:30:25
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by Torie on August 19, 2003, at 15:23:34
> >
> > Your daughter's depression lifted from lithium Or.?
> > katia
> >
>
>
> MY severe depression is gone and I feel fantastic. Our daughter is bipolar and she now is like her old self -- seems completely normal and happy (not in a sky-high manic way) -- like she used to be before this horrible illness kicked in.
>
> TorieHow old is your daughter? Are you dxed as bipolar as well?
Posted by CheekyMA on August 24, 2003, at 18:41:16
In reply to Re: Alternative to Depakote, posted by Elizabeth on February 16, 1999, at 22:57:58
Hi everyone.I just discovered this message board and hope that you can help me. I have been recently diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder - what type not yet determined. I am terribly frustrated because I have seen two psychiatrists and neither will see me for more than 15 minutes. I told the last one that I was concerned about the weight gain on Lithium. He said that they all do that and just increased my dosage of it and the Risperdal. I always had a cute figure with little trouble keeping it up. Now I eat ravenously, am bloated, and gaining ever day. I have read many messages on here but have not read any that say there is one or two meds that work well AND experience weight loss. I want both. Also, I only had my first manic episode recently. I have suffered from depression in the winters most of my life. I think I had Cyclethymic Disorder before but now have full blown bipolar. I am full of energy right now but plagued with depression too. So I am looking for a few things. 1. a drug or combination that will not make me gain weight. 2. Feedback on what disorder I might have. 3. A "sponsor"; I am a 36 year old female whou would love to have another female to email or chat with so I can learn about this terrible disorder I have. My Yahoo IM ID is Cheekykirr. Otherwise any responses on here would be most sincerely appreciated. CheekyMA.
Posted by NetPublicist on September 8, 2003, at 15:11:05
In reply to anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by joebob on July 11, 2003, at 20:43:29
> from hans neiper
My wife has bipolar and her doctor was bouncing her from med to med to find something to work. This was only adding to her stress and making her condition worse. After doing much research, we started using Lithium Orotate, she has had great results. No more manic highs. She uses this along with 5HTP to treat the depression.
Posted by jimstill on September 11, 2003, at 9:24:51
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate?, posted by Torie on August 19, 2003, at 14:17:38
T - thanks, found your post by google, I just ordered the NCI product, what a savings!
Jim
> Yes, we have. I read about it at the www.findserenitynow.com website and ordered some. However, I also found the identical formula for a fraction of the price ($39.99 for 90 tabs vs $12.00 for 200 tabs.) The brand name is Advanced Research, NCI Dr. Hans Nieper Products and I got it at www.lifesvigor.com. You can also find it a few other places if you look, but they had the best price. I also just ordered a bottle of lithium orotate from http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com to compare ingredients, as they say they have the only "true" Dr. Nieper formula.
>
> But what we've been using definitely works! I have used it for severe depression, and feel better than I have in many years. Our bipolar daughter is now her old self again. No rages, no irrational thinking, no bizarre fears, no obsessions, no non-stop manic binges.... We now have a sweet and happy, very normal daughter again. It's hard for us to believe something so simple and so inexpensive could have such dramatic results after everything we've been though. But amazingly, it really seems to work.
>
> BTW, I contacted one of the people listed on the Serenity website before we tried the lithium orotate (looked her up at Switchboard) and she was very helpful. She also gave me the number of her doctor to talk to about it if I wanted to call him. She said he has been really impressed with it and would be happy to talk to me. I also emailed a few people who I had seen mention lithium orotate (as Serenity) in different newsgroups, to ask them if they had tried it and if so, what their experience with it was. Here is one email I got back:
>
> Hi,
> Although I posted a question last year about that Synergy product,I decided to try Serenity- www.findserenitynow.com as it is natural form of Lithium but about 1/4 of the quantity that psychiatrists are prescribing because it contains Orotate-it is substance that bring Lithium behind blood barrier in the brain and therefore it is a same effect as 4 times more Lithium without it.
> I have been using it for almost a year and feel great and I wish to recommend it from my own experience as I tried before Valproic Acid,Tegretol as well as Lithium but because Lithium in such large quantities caused me a lot of side effects, I prefer Serenity.
> Sincerely-David
>
> I sincerely hope you have as good of results with lithium orotate as we have had. As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle product. No side effects of any kind, no liver concerns or having to get your blood tested or any of that, no 'drugged-up' feeling, just real results. Wow. We finally found something that actually works. If you have questions or want more info, you can email me at res003jh@gte.net
>
>
Posted by Torie on September 22, 2003, at 15:53:51
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » Torie, posted by jimstill on September 11, 2003, at 9:24:51
There is a new site and message board with information about lithium orotate, which is an inexpensive, safe and natural treatment for bipolar disorder (manic depression), ADD and ADHD, Alzheimer's, depression, alcoholism and other conditions. Lithium orotate works very well for many people in the place of prescription medications, and has with no side effects.
This new site does not prescribe anything, sell any products nor profit in any way from the information and discussions posted there.
Its purpose is education, discussion, support, sharing experiences, asking questions and receiving input and insight from others there regarding their experiences with and knowledge of lithium orotate.
Anyone with an interest in exploring lithium orotate is invited.
Posted by stebu on November 9, 2003, at 21:57:57
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » Torie, posted by jimstill on September 11, 2003, at 9:24:51
>I'm bi-polar2, diagnosed by several pdocs on Effexor and Trileptal. I started lithium orotate 5 weeks ago and got very rapid relief from a resistant depression. I'm taking 2/ 140mg tabs 3 times a day. I'm using the brand sold by life's vigor. Great results so far at $12.00 a month for therapy.
This molecule is in the public domain so its unlikley we will see any studies done on lithium orotate's effectivness by drug companies.
Steve
> T - thanks, found your post by google, I just ordered the NCI product, what a savings!
>
> Jim
>
> > Yes, we have. I read about it at the www.findserenitynow.com website and ordered some. However, I also found the identical formula for a fraction of the price ($39.99 for 90 tabs vs $12.00 for 200 tabs.) The brand name is Advanced Research, NCI Dr. Hans Nieper Products and I got it at www.lifesvigor.com. You can also find it a few other places if you look, but they had the best price. I also just ordered a bottle of lithium orotate from http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com to compare ingredients, as they say they have the only "true" Dr. Nieper formula.
> >
> > But what we've been using definitely works! I have used it for severe depression, and feel better than I have in many years. Our bipolar daughter is now her old self again. No rages, no irrational thinking, no bizarre fears, no obsessions, no non-stop manic binges.... We now have a sweet and happy, very normal daughter again. It's hard for us to believe something so simple and so inexpensive could have such dramatic results after everything we've been though. But amazingly, it really seems to work.
> >
> > BTW, I contacted one of the people listed on the Serenity website before we tried the lithium orotate (looked her up at Switchboard) and she was very helpful. She also gave me the number of her doctor to talk to about it if I wanted to call him. She said he has been really impressed with it and would be happy to talk to me. I also emailed a few people who I had seen mention lithium orotate (as Serenity) in different newsgroups, to ask them if they had tried it and if so, what their experience with it was. Here is one email I got back:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Although I posted a question last year about that Synergy product,I decided to try Serenity- www.findserenitynow.com as it is natural form of Lithium but about 1/4 of the quantity that psychiatrists are prescribing because it contains Orotate-it is substance that bring Lithium behind blood barrier in the brain and therefore it is a same effect as 4 times more Lithium without it.
> > I have been using it for almost a year and feel great and I wish to recommend it from my own experience as I tried before Valproic Acid,Tegretol as well as Lithium but because Lithium in such large quantities caused me a lot of side effects, I prefer Serenity.
> > Sincerely-David
> >
> > I sincerely hope you have as good of results with lithium orotate as we have had. As far as we're concerned, it's a miracle product. No side effects of any kind, no liver concerns or having to get your blood tested or any of that, no 'drugged-up' feeling, just real results. Wow. We finally found something that actually works. If you have questions or want more info, you can email me at res003jh@gte.net
> >
> >
>
>
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 9, 2003, at 23:15:26
In reply to Re: anyone tried lithium orotate? » jimstill, posted by stebu on November 9, 2003, at 21:57:57
> I'm bi-polar2, diagnosed by several pdocs on Effexor and Trileptal. I started lithium orotate 5 weeks ago and got very rapid relief from a resistant depression...
I'd like follow-ups regarding lithium orotate to be redirected to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031104/msgs/278063.html
Thanks,
Bob
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