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Posted by Larry Hoover on March 23, 2003, at 9:56:58
On Ron Hill's advice, I obtained some Enada brand NADH. It comes in two forms, oral tablets, and sublingual tablets. The latter dissolve under the tongue, permitting the NADH direct access to the bloodstream across the oral mucosa. Anyway, I've only tried the sublingual tabs thus far, and I have noticed a distinct sharpening of my cognitive function, an increase in my ability to recall/access memory, and there's a good chance that I've got increased physical endurance as well (though I reserve judgment on that until some weeks have passed).
Thanks Ron, for the tip.
Lar
Posted by IsoM on March 23, 2003, at 12:22:28
In reply to Anecdote about NADH, posted by Larry Hoover on March 23, 2003, at 9:56:58
Larry, seeing that you're in Canada too, could you tell me what brand you bought & how much they cost? I've been interested in trying it but it's prohibitorily expensive. Plus, I've heard from others about the effect wearing off after a while. I'd be interested to hear of your experiences on it longer term will look for future updates from you.
Sorry, I never have emailed you but I do have your email addy still. I've been much busier at work, around my place (now that it's ours at last), & looking after my 'kidney kitty' who's doing great.
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 23, 2003, at 13:54:45
In reply to Re: Anecdote about NADH » Larry Hoover, posted by IsoM on March 23, 2003, at 12:22:28
> Larry, seeing that you're in Canada too, could you tell me what brand you bought & how much they cost? I've been interested in trying it but it's prohibitorily expensive.
Yes, it is expensive, but I thought this one was worth paying to try.
I buy some of the harder to find products from Hilife Vitamins and Herbs. They're at:
http://www.hilife-vitamins.com/Much of the time, they sell brand name products at from 1/3 to 1/2 off list price. Shipping to Canada is a flat rate, so I buy significant quantities of things I use. My last order arrived in three days via Purolator. I got some melatonin and DHEA without a problem, too.
I bought Source Naturals Enada NADH, for e.g. about US $17 for 30 x 5 mg tablets. The sublingual 10 mg tabs are $7.79 for 8. They have excellent prices for Source Naturals TMG tablets, by the way.
>Plus, I've heard from others about the effect wearing off after a while. I'd be interested to hear of your experiences on it longer term will look for future updates from you.
I suspect the effect will diminish over time, but whether that's real, or simply an adjustment of my consciousness to the new reality will also be something I'll try to assess. I'm certainly pleased so far.
> Sorry, I never have emailed you but I do have your email addy still. I've been much busier at work, around my place (now that it's ours at last), & looking after my 'kidney kitty' who's doing great.I'm glad you're doing OK. Your silence had me a little concerned. You know how to reach me.
Take care,
Lar
Posted by Viridis on March 23, 2003, at 22:17:05
In reply to Re: Anecdote about NADH » Larry Hoover, posted by IsoM on March 23, 2003, at 12:22:28
Hi IsoM,
I've been using Enada NADH too, and (to my surprise) it actually does seem to increase my energy level and motivation. It's relatively inexpensive in the U.S. (around $15 for a 1 month supply, at 5 mg/day). www.iherb.com is a good source, and I think they ship to Canada.
Best,
Viridis
P.S. Sorry for the lack of contact lately; things have been incredibly hectic (I'm sure you can relate). I will write soon -- our garden is in full bloom, and we have seeds germinating everywhere. Let's trade!
Posted by IsoM on March 23, 2003, at 23:54:40
In reply to Re: Anecdote about NADH » IsoM, posted by Viridis on March 23, 2003, at 22:17:05
I'm drooling now thinking of all those seeds. I better stop before the keyboard gums up. I have some seeds from German sources that aren't common over here. And yes, I have been busy. Plus with nicer weather here, I don't feel like sitting at the comp all day.
Got to send you a question about Pacific tree frogs that's got me wondering, seeing that salamanders are your specialty, frogs being amphibians too so you may know the answer. All the frogs are out in full spring chorus & the sound is wondrful to fall asleep to.
Posted by Ron Hill on March 29, 2003, at 14:08:22
In reply to Anecdote about NADH, posted by Larry Hoover on March 23, 2003, at 9:56:58
Larry,
> I obtained some Enada brand NADH ... and I have noticed a distinct sharpening of my cognitive function, an increase in my ability to recall/access memory, and there's a good chance that I've got increased physical endurance as well (though I reserve judgment on that until some weeks have passed).
It's been about a week. How goes the trial so far? Any irritability? Still taking 10 mg of the sublingual product?
-- Ron
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2003, at 15:19:26
In reply to Re: Anecdote about Enada NADH » Larry Hoover, posted by Ron Hill on March 29, 2003, at 14:08:22
> Larry,
>
> > I obtained some Enada brand NADH ... and I have noticed a distinct sharpening of my cognitive function, an increase in my ability to recall/access memory, and there's a good chance that I've got increased physical endurance as well (though I reserve judgment on that until some weeks have passed).
>
> It's been about a week. How goes the trial so far? Any irritability? Still taking 10 mg of the sublingual product?
>
> -- RonWell, I noticed a distinct cumulative effect, so I haven't been taking it daily. In fact, it's been a few days since I've used it right now, and I still feel activated. No irritability, but perhaps that's because I've used it very cautiously. I plan to use the 5 mg oral tablets next, and see it there are any differences notable.
Lar
Posted by Ron Hill on March 29, 2003, at 18:47:46
In reply to Re: Anecdote about Enada NADH, posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2003, at 15:19:26
Larry,
Thank you for the update regarding your Enada NADH trial. As for me, I'm still taking one 2.5 mg enteric-coated tablet every four days and I'm thankful that, so far, it continues to do a good job treating my atypical depression.
One thing that I do not like about my current dosing schedule, however, is that my mood fluctuates in accordance with the dosing cycle. On the day that I take the supplement (Day One), I feel over-energized and somewhat irritable. Day Two is a good day; focused, motivated, on task, and happy (for the most part). The first half of Day Three is very similar to Day Two, but in the second half of Day Three, I begin to lose my motivation and drive. On Day Four my motivation is markedly lower and I begin to feel a little depressed. The process repeats itself beginning on Day Five when I take another 2.5 mg dose.
I think my results with Enada NADH could be further improved if I could take 0.5 mg every day instead of 2.5 mg every four days. The problem is that the smallest tablet size that I have found on the market is 2.5 mg. Larry, please let me know if you ever see a 0.5 mg sized product on the market.
I could try to divide a 10 mg sublingual tablet into twenty equal portions, but I would need a mortar and pestle, and a scale accurate to a tenth of a milligram or better. In the past, every time I have tried to find a place to buy these simple pieces of lab equipment, I am viewed as a suspected illegal drug dealer. Further, I like the enteric-coated product better than the sublingual formulation because it seems to have a smoother action. So what I would prefer is to be able to buy 0.5 mg enteric-coated tablets.
On a totally different subject, have you ever looked into an herb called Artic Root (Rhodiola rosea)? The article at the following link is rather long, but I believe it is well worth your time to read it. Artic Root (Rhodiola rosea) might be useful in the treatment of your CFS.
http://www.herbalgram.org/iherb/herbalgram/articleview.asp?a=2333
Because of its AD characteristics and its alleged ability to reduce the secretion of corticotrophin releasing factor (CRF) when under stress, I’d like to give it a trial. On the other hand, perhaps I should just continue my Lithobid/Enada NADH cocktail and leave well enough alone (in keeping with the philosophy of, “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it"). But given my curiosity regarding Artic Root, I will likely give it at least a short trial as an add-on to (or temporary replacement of) my Enada NADH.
-- Ron
Posted by Ron Hill on March 29, 2003, at 18:53:29
In reply to Re: Enada NADH and Artic Root » Larry Hoover, posted by Ron Hill on March 29, 2003, at 18:47:46
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2003, at 19:34:08
In reply to Re: Enada NADH and Artic Root » Larry Hoover, posted by Ron Hill on March 29, 2003, at 18:47:46
> I think my results with Enada NADH could be further improved if I could take 0.5 mg every day instead of 2.5 mg every four days. The problem is that the smallest tablet size that I have found on the market is 2.5 mg. Larry, please let me know if you ever see a 0.5 mg sized product on the market.
I think I'd prefer a smaller tablet, too, but I don't know of such a product at the present time. I'll certainly let you know if I find one.
> I could try to divide a 10 mg sublingual tablet into twenty equal portions, but I would need a mortar and pestle, and a scale accurate to a tenth of a milligram or better. In the past, every time I have tried to find a place to buy these simple pieces of lab equipment, I am viewed as a suspected illegal drug dealer. Further, I like the enteric-coated product better than the sublingual formulation because it seems to have a smoother action. So what I would prefer is to be able to buy 0.5 mg enteric-coated tablets.
Maybe we could suggest that to the manufacturer?
> On a totally different subject, have you ever looked into an herb called Artic Root (Rhodiola rosea)? The article at the following link is rather long, but I believe it is well worth your time to read it. Artic Root (Rhodiola rosea) might be useful in the treatment of your CFS.Thanks, Ron, but I've tried Rhodiola without success. It gave me insomnia and fatigue (quite opposite to the suggested effects). I've got a few bottles of it that are no use to me.
Lar
Posted by Ron Hill on March 29, 2003, at 20:06:03
In reply to Re: Enada NADH and Artic Root, posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2003, at 19:34:08
Larry,
> Thanks, Ron, but I've tried Rhodiola without success. It gave me insomnia and fatigue (quite opposite to the suggested effects).
Interesting. Thanks for the info. Maybe I won't try it after all. It looks good on paper, but clearly it did not work for you.
>I've got a few bottles of it that are no use to me.
I hear ya on that one! I've got an apple box full of failed supplements. Wish I could sell those suckers back to the stores where I bought 'em for ten cents on the dollar.
The thing is, I'm too cheap to throw the stuff away. It's like this stuff is going to be of some use to me (or somebody I know) someday in the future? Yeah, right! When pigs fly.
-- Ron
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 30, 2003, at 8:27:51
In reply to Re: Arctic Root (Rhodiola rosea) » Larry Hoover, posted by Ron Hill on March 29, 2003, at 20:06:03
> Larry,
>
> > Thanks, Ron, but I've tried Rhodiola without success. It gave me insomnia and fatigue (quite opposite to the suggested effects).
>
> Interesting. Thanks for the info. Maybe I won't try it after all. It looks good on paper, but clearly it did not work for you.I have a tendency to getting paradoxical reactions. My experience may not reflect the value of this herb to you. I know people for whom it has been a godsend. You won't know if you don't try it, eh?
>
> >I've got a few bottles of it that are no use to me.
>
> I hear ya on that one! I've got an apple box full of failed supplements. Wish I could sell those suckers back to the stores where I bought 'em for ten cents on the dollar.Me too. Even with the seals intact, I'm stuck with stuff. I bought Rhodiola from a dealer in the States, and to cover the shipping costs efficiently, I generally order a 6-12 month supply of whatever it is that I can't find here. So, if it doesn't work out, I have tons left over.
> The thing is, I'm too cheap to throw the stuff away. It's like this stuff is going to be of some use to me (or somebody I know) someday in the future? Yeah, right! When pigs fly.
>
> -- RonWell, I have tried giving my leftovers to people, but when they ehar why I'm trying to unload it (it didn't work) they're not interested. Go figure!
Lar
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