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Posted by Essence on March 7, 2003, at 6:42:36
Has anyone heard or tried this natural remedy for ADD or Depression? My 15 yr old son tried Wellbutrin for Depression, anxiety and ADD and went totally loopy on it. Wondering if this natural remedy is as effective as their ad says it is. Thnx in advance. Ess
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 7, 2003, at 7:17:51
In reply to beCalm'd, posted by Essence on March 7, 2003, at 6:42:36
> Has anyone heard or tried this natural remedy for ADD or Depression? My 15 yr old son tried Wellbutrin for Depression, anxiety and ADD and went totally loopy on it. Wondering if this natural remedy is as effective as their ad says it is. Thnx in advance. Ess
If you go to:
http://www.iwr.com/becalmd/ingred.htmlyou'll see the complete ingredients list. There's nothing in this product that stands out, nor are the concentrations of any substance high. I routinely exceed the dose of every one of these ingredients. If you find the convenience factor useful, then maybe it's worthwhile.
Posted by Ron Hill on March 7, 2003, at 10:12:49
In reply to beCalm'd, posted by Essence on March 7, 2003, at 6:42:36
Hi Essence,
> Has anyone heard or tried this natural remedy for ADD or Depression? My 15 yr old son tried Wellbutrin for Depression, anxiety and ADD and went totally loopy on it. Wondering if this natural remedy is as effective as their ad says it is.
I tired beCalm'd several years ago. The first capsule I took made me very irritable. At the time, I suspected that is was the DL-phenylalanine that did not agree with me. Unfortunately, I ordered four bottles of the stuff, all of which now reside in my junk box of failed supplements.
I'm BPII, so just because it did not work for me, this doesn't necessarily mean it will not work for your son’s ADD.
As an aside, I'm in the sixth week of a trial of the OTC Enada NADH for the treatment of the atypical depressive side of my BPII disorder. So far the results are truly remarkable. Time will tell regarding its long-term effectiveness. I also take 600 mg/day of Lithobid.
Enada NADH is highly dopaminergic, so it seems logical that it might help ADHD/ADD, but I don't know for sure one way or the other on this.
-- Ron
Posted by Essence on March 7, 2003, at 18:43:15
In reply to Re: beCalm'd » Essence, posted by Ron Hill on March 7, 2003, at 10:12:49
Hi Ron;
Your reply was so helpful and I really feel hopefull that this might be the med for my son, I researched the Enada NADH and in Canada it's marketed under Elertec, I think it's Modafinil in the US. There wasn't a whole lot about studies with it regarding ADD but there were some as well as alot of comparisons to the other normal stimulants so I expect it will have a similar affect without most of the unwanted side-effects. It would be great if it would help both his depression, which I personally feel is ADD related, and his ADD. Once again, thanks so much.
Ess
Posted by Ron Hill on March 7, 2003, at 19:48:10
In reply to Re: Enada NADH » Ron Hill, posted by Essence on March 7, 2003, at 18:43:15
Essence,
>I researched the Enada NADH and in Canada it's marketed under Elertec, I think it's Modafinil in the US.
I'm not familiar with Elertec, but Enada NADH is a different animal than modafinil (Provigil). Provigil is a prescription medication that acts as a stimulant whereas Enada NADH is an over-the-counter food supplement (at least in the US).
You sound like a good Mom trying to help her kid. Best wishes.
-- Ron
Posted by viridis on March 7, 2003, at 20:46:33
In reply to Re: Enada NADH » Ron Hill, posted by Essence on March 7, 2003, at 18:43:15
Modafinil (Provigil) is marketed as Alertec in Canada (a play on the word "alert", for its stimulating and wake-up functions). It's definitely a very different substance from NADH, a naturally-occurring molecule that is key to energy metabolism in cells.
If Enada NADH is being marketed over-the-counter as "Elertec" in Canada, this could certainly create confusion, and might be an attempt to compete with the (expensive) prescription drug Alertec, even though the mechanisms of action of the two substances are completely different. I hope they don't start selling NADH as "Previgil" or something in the U.S.!
Posted by Essence on March 8, 2003, at 7:36:01
In reply to Re: Enada NADH vs. modafinil » Essence, posted by viridis on March 7, 2003, at 20:46:33
Posted by Ron Hill on March 8, 2003, at 9:35:30
In reply to Ron and Viridis, now I'm really confused! (nm), posted by Essence on March 8, 2003, at 7:36:01
Posted by Essence on March 8, 2003, at 18:31:59
In reply to Re: What is confusing, Essence? (nm) » Essence, posted by Ron Hill on March 8, 2003, at 9:35:30
Hi Ron;
I did more research on the Enada NADH, it is sold in the US in Health Food Stores but not in Canada. What I found confusing initially is that alot of the hits I got on it brought up the Drug Modafiniil, or Elertec here in Canada. So from what I can understand, I can't get the supplement (or whatever it is) from any health stores here, but I can get a prescription for Elertec. Just still not clear if Elertec is Enada NADH and if it's not, why does it keep coming up in my searches.
Posted by viridis on March 8, 2003, at 19:30:54
In reply to Only half confused now, lol » Ron Hill, posted by Essence on March 8, 2003, at 18:31:59
Hi Essence,
I can't seem to find Elertec in my searches, but Alertec is the Canadian name for modafinil, which is marketed as Provigil in the U.S.
Hope this helps,
Viridis
Posted by Essence on March 8, 2003, at 19:48:06
In reply to Re: Only half confused now, lol, posted by viridis on March 8, 2003, at 19:30:54
Hi Viridis, that was a spelling mistake on my part. I guess my question, or confusion if you may, is whether or not Alertec (Modafinil, Provigil) is Enada NADH but in prescription form?
Posted by viridis on March 8, 2003, at 22:15:23
In reply to Re: Only half confused now, lol » viridis, posted by Essence on March 8, 2003, at 19:48:06
Hi Essence,
Modafinil and NADH (Enada or any other form) are completely different substances. NADH is a naturally-occurring chemical that is present in all cells in your body. It's involved in helping get energy from food. The idea behind NADH supplements seems to be that they can accelerate or supplement this process, and therefore allow your cells to harness energy more quickly.
Modafinil is a synthetic stimulant that affects neurotransmitters in your brain in a way that isn't well understood, but enhances wakefulness, and may also help with depression, ADD, etc. It has absolutely no connection with NADH, except maybe in some extremely roundabout way.
Comparing NADH to modafinil would be somewhat like comparing Prozac to proteins; they aren't the same thing at all.
Posted by Essence on March 9, 2003, at 5:40:13
In reply to Re: Only half confused now, lol » Essence, posted by viridis on March 8, 2003, at 22:15:23
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