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Posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:26:45
In reply to Breggin Shmeggin » David Smith, posted by Zo on March 24, 2002, at 4:17:25
Thank you for your response to my post. Discussion is ALL that we are doing here. I am not advocating any particular position except that of responsibility for our own lives.
I too have felt helped by pdrugs. I do feel they can be beneficial. However I feel they are mostly over prescribed. There is a tendency here to treat medication casually. My concern is that irreversible damage may be done to the brain.
After reading this board for two years, I feel I have something important to say. I have had lifelong bipolar depression since I was eight. Most likely I will never feel normal. I certainly don't want to get worse.
Zo if you promise to post civil responses then I promise to be less cryptic. Deal?
Posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 18:12:42
In reply to Re: Breggin Shmeggin, posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:26:45
I hope that didn't sound snobbish.
I do have a criticism of Dr. Breggin.
He does not present very many alternatives to traditional therapy.
But he IS right about abrupt withdrawal of drugs.
NEVER stop taking your meds without medical assistance. I know from personal experience.
Posted by OldSchool on March 24, 2002, at 22:15:11
In reply to Breggin Shmeggin » David Smith, posted by Zo on March 24, 2002, at 4:17:25
> As one who owes her life to meds--and who also thinks Peter Breggin doesn't know his a** from first base--let me say, I find your posts painful, sneaky, and a big waste of my time.
>
> This is a board where people *discuss* their use of medications. It's not appropriate to come here and play out a position that is wholly irrelevant our purpose here, to the stated purpose.
>
> ZoPeter Breggin does a disservice to all seriously mentally ill people by his refusal to acknowledge mental illness is biologically based. He has no hospital privileges. He refuses to acknowledge the severity and disability of many untreated severe mental illnesses. From what Ive read in his books, he still believes in old style, Freudian psychotherapy and believes that severe depression can be overcome by therapy.
I am in disbelief as to why Breggin is still allowed to have a Medical Doctor certification in psychiatry. He seems much more cut out to be a psychologist than a psychiatrist. I believe Breggin would have been a much happier man had he become a psychologist than a MD.
After all Ive been thru with mental illness, this man disgusts me. His trivializing my problems is insulting. I suppose Breggin believes severe melancholic depression can be treated with a cup of chicken soup and some hand holding huh? Lets sit around with Peter Breggin and sing Kumb by ah and sing campfire songs and roast marshmellows. I bet my depression would go away then. Just sit around and talk about those underlying "issues" and suddenly you will be able to sleep normally again huh?
Breggin is a joke and his medical license should be pulled.
Old School
Posted by Mark H. on March 24, 2002, at 22:47:27
In reply to Re: Peter Breggin sucks dirty green donkey dicks, posted by OldSchool on March 24, 2002, at 22:15:11
MARK H. FOR DR. BOB HERE:
Old School,
The title of your post was over the line. Please be civil.
Many thanks,
Mark H.
Posted by Zo on March 25, 2002, at 6:40:46
In reply to Re: Breggin Shmeggin, posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 17:26:45
> I am not advocating any particular position except that of responsibility for our own lives.
Honey, it's been perfectly obvious you've been advocating. . but hey, you want to set that aside and not keep linking out, but instead stay here, with us, with this discussion, great.
> I too have felt helped by pdrugs. I do feel they can be >beneficial. However I feel they are mostly over >prescribed.
BADLY prescribed. With great lazy ignorance. This does not mean that "drugs are bad."
>My concern is that irreversible damage may be done to >the brain.
You worried abour your brain or ours? The former concern is fine, bring it on. The latter. . .is not your problem.
> Zo if you promise to post civil responses then I promise to be less cryptic. Deal?
No, the deal revolves around Breggin---this is tough: not mentioning him again, not trying to "fix" anyone on the board according to your own beliefs--but answering the posts of others in line with where they are coming from, and asking your own questions and sharing your own experiences straight on, so we can get it.
Zo
Posted by Bekka H. on March 25, 2002, at 17:40:19
In reply to Re: Breggin Shmeggin » David Smith, posted by Zo on March 25, 2002, at 6:40:46
> Honey, it's been perfectly obvious you've been advocating. . but hey, you want to set that aside and not keep linking out, but instead stay here, with us, with this discussion, great.
> BADLY prescribed. With great lazy ignorance. This does not mean that "drugs are bad."
> You worried abour your brain or ours? The former concern is fine, bring it on. The latter. . .is not your problem.
> No, the deal revolves around Breggin---this is tough: not mentioning him again, not trying to "fix" anyone on the board according to your own beliefs--but answering the posts of others in line with where they are coming from, and asking your own questions and sharing your own experiences straight on, so we can get it.
>
> Zo
************************************************Bravo to Zo!!!!!!!! Zo, you said that so well. If that guy doesn't stop hawking his wares here, I'm going to take this up with Dr. Bob. It's clear that he and several others don't belong here. But Zo, you said it so much better than I could.
Bekka
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2002, at 21:43:13
In reply to Re: Breggin Shmeggin » David Smith, posted by Zo on March 25, 2002, at 6:40:46
> the deal revolves around Breggin---this is tough: not mentioning him again, not trying to "fix" anyone on the board according to your own beliefs--but answering the posts of others in line with where they are coming from, and asking your own questions and sharing your own experiences straight on, so we can get it.
Sorry, but I'd like discussion here to be as free as possible. Breggin should be able to be mentioned, and his views should be able to be debated. As long as it's civil, of course.
Bob
Posted by christophrejmc on March 26, 2002, at 1:05:22
In reply to Re: Breggin Shmeggin, posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2002, at 21:43:13
Have you seen http://breggin.4mg.com ? It seems that talk of Breggin is code for buying medication without a prescription! Oh dear!
Posted by Zo on March 26, 2002, at 2:25:21
In reply to Re: Breggin Shmeggin, posted by Dr. Bob on March 25, 2002, at 21:43:13
> Sorry, but I'd like discussion here to be as free as possible. Breggin should be able to be mentioned, and his views should be able to be debated. As long as it's civil, of course.
>
> BobOf course you would, and of course we can't really forbid anybody, but given the option of another long, dreary flame war which contributes *nothing*. . I think some discretion is advised. I'm not saying that's the case here; I do think it's something to think about. Given the purpose of the board, wouldn't it, for example, be counterproductive and waaay off-topic to debate the merits of drugs vs. no drugs? I think most of us recognize an extreme position when we see it. I dunno, it seems like arguing with a flat-earther when one is doing one's level best just to survive, on the round.
Zo
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 26, 2002, at 7:25:48
In reply to Re: Irrelevance? » Dr. Bob, posted by Zo on March 26, 2002, at 2:25:21
Zo;
You can not arrive at the truth if there are restrictions to what people can say. I posted Patric Henry's speech given in 1775 on another thread. If you did not see that, and if you would like me to post it on this thread, let me know and I will do so. Dr. Bob's interjection on this thread to allow all points ofview to be expressed is very important for this board to arrive at the truth and I wholhartedly support him in this regard.
Lou
Lou
Posted by JohnX2 on March 26, 2002, at 7:38:32
In reply to Re: Breggin Shmeggin, posted by David Smith on March 24, 2002, at 18:12:42
> NEVER stop taking your meds without medical assistance. I know from personal experience.What did you goof up exactly with your medicines?
John
Posted by Zo on March 26, 2002, at 18:01:07
In reply to In defense of Dr. Bob » Zo, posted by Lou Pilder on March 26, 2002, at 7:25:48
Dear Lou, I hope you didn't mean that my post came across as an "attack" on Dr. Bob, which was certainly not my intention! I was writing about a certain ambiguity in the structure of the board---which I suppose is in DB's hands anyway, so. ..
Thanks for your thoughts on this,
Zo
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2002, at 18:19:41
In reply to Re: Irrelevance? » Dr. Bob, posted by Zo on March 26, 2002, at 2:25:21
> Of course you would, and of course we can't really forbid anybody...
I guess discussion of posting policies should be at PBA...
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020308/msgs/3593.html
Bob
Posted by trouble on March 27, 2002, at 0:02:41
In reply to Re: Peter Breggin sucks dirty green donkey dicks, posted by OldSchool on March 24, 2002, at 22:15:11
In my dreams, of course. But to say I love the guy isn't pushing it, I'm sorry, I've been tracking his career since he was a student of Ayn Rand and that's going way back friends.
Breggin wouldn't be the first guy burdened by the human condition to swerve on the path, he spoke my truth for 3 days straight when I saw him at a Chicago convention in 1980 for Libertarian candidate Ed Clark, back then he sounded alot like I imagined R.D. Laing would sound, and he's a hero. (My gramma had a lobotomy.)
Peter Breggin is one of the last of the true believers, he first embraced and then fought Rand, embraced, fought Libertarianism, ditto male chauvinism, and now he's in some anti-medication spiral and I'm waiting for the veils to fall from his eyes. It's hard. He's got more money and influence than ever now, even if he does change his rap, how can he recant w/out destroying whatever remains of his credibility.
It's just an opinion, but I do believe he is an altruist, I think he could have been a Great Man, in the philosophical sense of the term, but he seems to have become quite mad, and not budging this time round. So, I understand the vitrol he inspires on the board, but I don't like seeing him dehumanized, just really don't feel he warrants it.trouble
Posted by fachad on March 27, 2002, at 8:47:26
In reply to I am Peter Breggin's Biographer, posted by trouble on March 27, 2002, at 0:02:41
I had no idea Breggan had ever been influenced by Rand. Their styles sure do seem similar - that "I am absolutely and totally right and everyone else is hopelessly deluded" mentality.
I was a big fan of Ayn Rand in high school, but grew enough intellectually in college to see the evils of her dogmatism. I still think Nathaniel Branden is awesome.
Have you read his book "Judgment Day"? It's about his adventures with Rand, and the psychological dangers of her philosophy.
> In my dreams, of course. But to say I love the guy isn't pushing it, I'm sorry, I've been tracking his career since he was a student of Ayn Rand and that's going way back friends.
>
> Breggin wouldn't be the first guy burdened by the human condition to swerve on the path, he spoke my truth for 3 days straight when I saw him at a Chicago convention in 1980 for Libertarian candidate Ed Clark, back then he sounded alot like I imagined R.D. Laing would sound, and he's a hero. (My gramma had a lobotomy.)
>
> Peter Breggin is one of the last of the true believers, he first embraced and then fought Rand, embraced, fought Libertarianism, ditto male chauvinism, and now he's in some anti-medication spiral and I'm waiting for the veils to fall from his eyes. It's hard. He's got more money and influence than ever now, even if he does change his rap, how can he recant w/out destroying whatever remains of his credibility.
> It's just an opinion, but I do believe he is an altruist, I think he could have been a Great Man, in the philosophical sense of the term, but he seems to have become quite mad, and not budging this time round. So, I understand the vitrol he inspires on the board, but I don't like seeing him dehumanized, just really don't feel he warrants it.
>
> trouble
Posted by jay on March 28, 2002, at 6:25:35
In reply to Wow! A Peter Breggin / Ayn Rand Link!! » trouble, posted by fachad on March 27, 2002, at 8:47:26
> I had no idea Breggan had ever been influenced by Rand. Their styles sure do seem similar - that "I am absolutely and totally right and everyone else is hopelessly deluded" mentality.
>
> I was a big fan of Ayn Rand in high school, but grew enough intellectually in college to see the evils of her dogmatism. I still think Nathaniel Branden is awesome.
>
> Have you read his book "Judgment Day"? It's about his adventures with Rand, and the psychological dangers of her philosophy.
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>
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> > In my dreams, of course. But to say I love the guy isn't pushing it, I'm sorry, I've been tracking his career since he was a student of Ayn Rand and that's going way back friends.
> >
> > Breggin wouldn't be the first guy burdened by the human condition to swerve on the path, he spoke my truth for 3 days straight when I saw him at a Chicago convention in 1980 for Libertarian candidate Ed Clark, back then he sounded alot like I imagined R.D. Laing would sound, and he's a hero. (My gramma had a lobotomy.)
> >
> > Peter Breggin is one of the last of the true believers, he first embraced and then fought Rand, embraced, fought Libertarianism, ditto male chauvinism, and now he's in some anti-medication spiral and I'm waiting for the veils to fall from his eyes. It's hard. He's got more money and influence than ever now, even if he does change his rap, how can he recant w/out destroying whatever remains of his credibility.
> > It's just an opinion, but I do believe he is an altruist, I think he could have been a Great Man, in the philosophical sense of the term, but he seems to have become quite mad, and not budging this time round. So, I understand the vitrol he inspires on the board, but I don't like seeing him dehumanized, just really don't feel he warrants it.
> >
> > troubleI, too, liked Rand in high school, mostly because she influenced my fav band, Rush, and their drummer Neil Peart. But, that was 20 or so years ago, and Rush and Peart are more of a liberal value band these days.
I always thought there was a Scientology>Libertarian>Breggin link. A kind of "survival of the fittest" thing. I think it is very, very scarry, as I am more of a left leaning, social democrat. (In the European fashion.)
Medication note: I see ANY drug as a GOOD form of escapism, and there is nothing wrong with a BIT of that. Heck, sometimes we NEED a bit more, as this world gets crazier by the day. Perception can be a very physical, blunt pain, and like any major traumatic pain, NEEDS powerful medication treatment to soothe needless suffering.
Jay
Posted by trouble on March 31, 2002, at 1:39:10
In reply to Re: Wow! A Peter Breggin / Ayn Rand Link!! » fachad, posted by jay on March 28, 2002, at 6:25:35
Hi fellahs,
I too must fess up, I did Ayn Rand during my early twenties, wearing gold-plated dollar-sign earrings and the whole silly nine yards.
But I love her today as much as ever, and for the right reasons this time. I think.
I did read Judgement Day, and it blew me away, I had no idea how completely insane she was during her later years. Sad.
The funniest book on her I read is It Usually Begins With Ayn Rand, a hilarious and naughty-mean inside scoop. Said she got to the point of charging her disciples a nickel per idea, had a coin box and everything.If I can share one of my favorite anecdotes from the book, it went something like this:
During one of the indoctrination sessions at the Branden home, Barbara Branden, mousy little non-person, boldly mentioned that she believed in religion, in God. Ayn totally freaks and hands Barbara a sheaf of essays, then banishes her into a little room (cloistered!) to study them.Hours later when Barbara reappears, Ms. Rand goes "Vell?" And Babs stammers that she can't just change her beliefs in ONE day, religion being a part of her all her life and Rand screams "YOU HAVE READ ZE PAPERS AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO VALLOW IN ZIS MINDLESS MYZTICISM??!!" Poor Nathan, can't take his third rate wife anywhere.
BTW Did you happen to see Ms. Rand on the Phil Donahue show? That's why I love her, cried rivers upon witnessing that glorious ...apparition...I'm sure the transcript's around here somewhere, if interested I could email the good parts...
Man I miss Phil Donahue. Has our culture gone to hell in handbasket or what?
toodles,
trouble
Posted by Daveman on March 31, 2002, at 1:43:48
In reply to I am Peter Breggin's Biographer, posted by trouble on March 27, 2002, at 0:02:41
So, I understand the vitrol he inspires on the board, but I don't like seeing him dehumanized, just really don't feel he warrants it.
Trouble:
I think the vitriol he inspires is because his position, if adopted, would do grave harm to many on this Board. It is, alas, the graveyard of all "true believers", to believe even that which is demonstably false.
You speak of Ayn Rand. I've been exposed to the other extreme, Karl Marx. Once I considered myself a Marxist, until I realized what a total failure Marxism has been in actual practice- denying people the fruits of their labor is the road to ruin. Libertarianism has the same problem, it sounds good until you realize that no civilized society can exist without some boundaries on our excesses. We are not all just independent actors, we are interdependent on each other.
So what has that to do with Breggin and this Board? Well, claiming that all psychological medications are "from the devil" is purely an ideological position not borne out by millions of instances, mine included. God knows how long I would have been incapacitated had I not ignored the Breggin philosophy and put myself in the hands of caring doctors who knew what to prescribe for me. But, of course, the reverse ideology- drugs alone are the answer, they have no side effects, no changes in lifestyle or self-examination are needed- is also harmful. The correct view- what I've reffered to in earlier posts as the "synthesis" view- is to accept that some of us need medications, that they can be very helpful when properly prescribed, but they are not "cure-alls" with no side effects.
Sorry for the ramble, I'm here by myself on a Saturday night and got in a philosophical mood:-)
Dave
Posted by trouble on March 31, 2002, at 2:05:48
In reply to Re: Wow! A Peter Breggin / Ayn Rand Link!! » fachad, posted by jay on March 28, 2002, at 6:25:35
You mentioned something about the European Tradition of Social Democracy in your post, and I'm interested in what that means.
Is that the Green Party, or something alot more in depth, difficult and time-consuming if I were to study up on it? 'Cause I already know all about the Green Party, (uh-huh).Say there was only one book, less than 750 pages that you could recmd on the subject, hit me wouldja?
thanks!
trouble
Posted by trouble on March 31, 2002, at 2:15:49
In reply to The trouble with zealots/Breggin » trouble, posted by Daveman on March 31, 2002, at 1:43:48
Hey Dave,
I know, I agree 100%. I've also been called a Marxist by lots ofpeople, including teachers, but I've never read one word of his, I know he's important, but I don't care. I'm a chick, I'm gonna spend the rest of my life in poetry and literature, and just grab what I must from all the other disciplines to keep from coming across like a dadgum fool.
I have a softspot for idealogues, people who are deeply and irrevocably screwed up, so long as they are doing their best and not trying to take over the place. It's very subjective, of course, and that whole Ayn Rand crowd takes up alotta space in my pantheon. Shakespearean tragedies and so forth.
Take care you,
trouble
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 31, 2002, at 10:37:53
In reply to Jay? Nutty tangential question, por favor, posted by trouble on March 31, 2002, at 2:05:48
> You mentioned something about the European Tradition of Social Democracy in your post, and I'm interested in what that means...
How about if this continues at PSB?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020325/msgs/21215.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Givemeanamenow on June 25, 2003, at 3:41:25
In reply to Re: Peter Breggin sucks dirty green donkey dicks, posted by OldSchool on March 24, 2002, at 22:15:11
>
----As one who owes his life to God and has been forced to take neuroleptics for 3 years and has been undiagnosed with Schizophrenia and found to be WITHOUT the very illness treated committed 3 times due to homelessness and family dysfunction
for running away to get help from friends while under psychiatric minor care then pounded with medication from the hospital, I say you are wrong.Peter Breggin has a point. There is injustice out there and I have almost died from withdrawal because of medicine that never helped with anxiety, and I would sue every doctor who didn't listen to me, but my parents are the ones who had me committed. I see people with "schizophrenia" and think maybe that's THEIR business, but that doesn't give Psychiatrists the right to lock up people for a month at a time with a bunch of crazy people screaming at night like demons and emotionally unstable people who need spiritual and nutritional help more than drugs in most cases00.
May you find help for your need, but don't think so badly about Mr. Breggin - although He never showed up at my trials, had he been there I would have been spared a living hell for 6 years.
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As one who owes her life to meds--and who also thinks Peter Breggin doesn't know his a** from first base--let me say, I find your posts painful, sneaky, and a big waste of my time.
> >
> > This is a board where people *discuss* their use of medications. It's not appropriate to come here and play out a position that is wholly irrelevant our purpose here, to the stated purpose.
> >
> > Zo
>
> Peter Breggin does a disservice to all seriously mentally ill people by his refusal to acknowledge mental illness is biologically based. He has no hospital privileges. He refuses to acknowledge the severity and disability of many untreated severe mental illnesses. From what Ive read in his books, he still believes in old style, Freudian psychotherapy and believes that severe depression can be overcome by therapy.
>
> I am in disbelief as to why Breggin is still allowed to have a Medical Doctor certification in psychiatry. He seems much more cut out to be a psychologist than a psychiatrist. I believe Breggin would have been a much happier man had he become a psychologist than a MD.
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------Maybe so but I would like to have him as a lawyer
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> After all Ive been thru with mental illness, this man disgusts me. His trivializing my problems is insulting. I suppose Breggin believes severe melancholic depression can be treated with a cup of chicken soup and some hand holding huh? Lets sit around with Peter Breggin and sing Kumb by ah and sing campfire songs and roast marshmellows. I bet my depression would go away then. Just sit around and talk about those underlying "issues" and suddenly you will be able to sleep normally again huh?
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::That may be your issue depression-but mine was full blown anxiety and OCD AND depression. Prozac has yet to help me. 3 years Buspar, all that shi- has yet to help. And you probably were not COMMITTED by your freaking PARENTS because you didn't want or refused to take medicine for a diagnosis that was total BS. If I had a dime for all the times people asked me do you hear voices see things ---or --have trouble sleeping?
I mean I would be making atleast 2 bucks.NO NO NO and thanks for wasting my time
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 26, 2003, at 8:04:40
In reply to Re: Peter Breggin sucks dirty green donkey dicks, posted by Givemeanamenow on June 25, 2003, at 3:41:25
> Peter Breggin sucks dirty green donkey d*cks
Please don't use language that could offend others, even in a quote, which is what the default "subject" of a post is. Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030508/msgs/237120.html
Posted by Anonymoose on November 13, 2007, at 16:50:54
In reply to Does l-phenylalnine inhibit natural dopamine prod?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on March 23, 2002, at 23:00:07
Hi all, new poster here, having recently gone through many of the old archives. To comment on 3BE's question about B6 (pyridoxine) and l-dopa:
This morning I experienced the nullifying effects of a B6 supplement (50mg B6 and other B/C vitamins) on l-dopa taken in conjunction (obtained from ~100g cooked fava beans).
Apparently B6 is a cofactor for the decarboxylation of l-dopa; vitamin B6 enhances peripheral conversion of l-dopa to dopamine, making less readily available for use in the CNS (across the BBB). Link to a handout from a Howard pharmacology class:
http://www.med.howard.edu/pharmacology/handouts/parkinsons.htm
I definitely had a more pronounced response to the fava beans the night before, taken without anything else in conjunction. Whereas the initial response to the l-dopa was noticeably beneficial (both activating and calming, re: BarbaraCat's experience with Mucuna Pruriens), the l-dopa taken with B Complex was not nearly as helpful. If anything, it made me both drowsy and jumpy at the same time. Perhaps the vitamin C along with the B complex helped convert the peripheral dopamine too quickly into NE and epinephrine running free inside/outside my CNS. The effect was that random noises outside my window would cause me to startle very easily, and feel a sharp adrenaline-like spike. Hopefully future intake of l-dopa without the B-complex vitamin will continue to have positive effects.
A little about me: 27yo male, with a 9-year unipolar depressive spiral. Includes some anxiety and agitation, but most prominently apathetic and anhedoic in nature.
What I feel is the most striking feature, and I think most important to understanding the cause and treatment, is the increasing loss of "feeling" over time, into increasingly anhedonic states. I can trace the disease's progression in terms of increasing loss of sensitivity to "pleasure-states/stimuli", if you will.
Over the last 9 years or so I've slowly lost the ability to "feel" certain things (loss of dopamine receptor sensitivity, perhaps?) The ability to "feel" music, to be able to "crush" on a love interest. Then went the ability to get a buzz off a cigarette (social smoker). Then I slowly lost buzz-response to caffeine, alcohol, and finally P-stims ritalin and adderall.
Along the way my SE and NE pathways have probably gotten all out of whack as well, probably in large part in response to the DA troubles. Zoloft was the first AD tried (7 yrs ago) and had a wonderful (euphoric, almost) initial effect, but pooped out after a month. Since then I've tried other SSRIs, Effexor, and Wellbutrin with little benefit. Have always had to augment those with ritalin or adderall, but now both of those Pstims have pooped out completely as well.
I've been getting more and more desperate for relief and more and more convinced that the DA pathways are the key to my problem, so I'm waiting for selegeline (l-deprenyl) to arrive from a euro pharmacy.
Anybody else here have a similar experience? Feel free to email me if you'd like (babblemail or through board posts).
Deperately wanting to feel again...
> A few months ago I read on Pubmed about a study that said that l-phenylalnine supplementation inhibits either tyrosine hydroxylase (the thing that turns l-tyrosine into l-dopa) or the thing that turns l-dopa into dopamine (aromatic hydroxylase or something like that. Not sure which one it inhibits? Does anyone know about l-phenylalanine inhibiting dopamine production?
>
> L-phenylalanine seemed like a good thing to take since unlike most amino acids it actually crosses the blood brain barrier & seemed to have some slight amphetamine like effect after 2 weeks of 1500 mg/morning on an empty stomach (Twinlab w/o vitamin B6 was the only brand that worked for me, country life w/ B6 had no effect). But I stopped taking it after reading the dopamine inhibition article & now I can't find the article I read (in Pubmed).
>
> Also, why do many l-phenylalanine supplements contain vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) when vitamin B6 completely nulls the dopamine enhancing effects of levodopa?
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> I used to take l-tyrosine but stopped since it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier & can only be transported to the brain by a carrier that is already saturated by a normal diet. I also noticed no effects & it seemed a waste of time/money.
>
> But I wonder if tyrosine or phenylalanine supplementation would be a good idea if you were taking Dexedrine or Adderall everyday & thus constantly depleting your dopamine stores or perhaps like many supplements found at the health food store it is a waste of money?
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2007, at 7:42:44
In reply to Re: Does l-phenylalnine inhibit natural dopamine p, posted by Anonymoose on November 13, 2007, at 16:50:54
> Hi all, new poster here, having recently gone through many of the old archives. To comment on 3BE's question about B6 (pyridoxine) and l-dopa:
Welcome! And sorry to interrupt, but I'd like now to redirect this thread to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20071031/msgs/795241.html
Thanks,
Bob
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