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Posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 3:16:49
I'm trying to understand differences between
ADD diagnosis (non hyperactive type) that may
or may not accompany bipolar disorder.Are there people with ADD who don't take medicine
who do markedly well in schooling?Do people with ADD tend to do better in certain
disciplines than others?Can someone who is bipolar and "stabilized"
be ADD, take a stimulant, get the ADD cured, but
be driven (hypo)manic and in the process trigger hyperactive
behaviour thus utterly confusing the whole diagonsis?comments?
-John
Posted by Ritch on March 10, 2002, at 10:54:58
In reply to ADD experience w/bipolar w/o, posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 3:16:49
>
> I'm trying to understand differences between
> ADD diagnosis (non hyperactive type) that may
> or may not accompany bipolar disorder.
>
> Are there people with ADD who don't take medicine
> who do markedly well in schooling?
Hi John. I did markedly well at schooling when I was *at* school. I kept changing my majors constantly and getting bored and dropping out. All it would take is one class with a dud professor and I would rethink the entire degree program was nothing but well.. hockey. I always got good grades, but "very poor" marks in elementary school for "listening" and "following directions". I don't like being boxed in a big lecture hall and have to *sit* an entire hour listening to a droning boring lecture (ARGH). I just couldn't make plans, stick with the plans despite a short term negative experience. I would sit and look at the academic catalog for an hour or so several times a week-"is this area the *one*?" I finally got sick of being in school and just wanted out.. with a degree this time around. I must credit Prozac+Lithium for finally getting my ass outta there.
>
> Do people with ADD tend to do better in certain
> disciplines than others?
All I can say is that I don't like being "bossed" (or perhaps it would be more accurate to say I don't like jobs that *require* supervision), and I hate the inevitable negative group politics that always go with organizations. Math was my favorite subject until I got to high school (when the "bipolar" kicked in), then I liked art/humanities stuff. The only "awards" I ever got was for a regional math contest my freshman year and creative writing my junior year in high school. So now I am a llaison engineer and technical writer. But, I swear I could be happier driving one of those raspy trucks that hauls rocks around from the quarries to construction sites. Throw a decent stereo in there and let me manage the driving!
>
> Can someone who is bipolar and "stabilized"
> be ADD, take a stimulant, get the ADD cured, but
> be driven (hypo)manic and in the process trigger hyperactive
> behaviour thus utterly confusing the whole diagonsis?
Oh, absolutely possible. All I know is the pstim works better than *any* antidepressant I have tried for bipolar depression. Perhaps I really don't have ADHD at all-perhaps I am just a "BPII" or "atypical bipolar" that only responds well to a pstim for bipolar depressive episodes. That wouldn't surprise me-I could accept that. I am only taking a teensy-tiny dose of Dexedrine during the day now and I can tell if I took very much of it I would probably get into trouble. However, it doesn't appear to aggravate *cycling*. It would be quite likely I will just stash it away for my predictable depressions and keep everything else going so I don't get panicky...>
> comments?
>
> -John
Posted by IsoM on March 10, 2002, at 13:56:24
In reply to ADD experience w/bipolar w/o, posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 3:16:49
I agree with a lot Mitch said. I got good grades in school but only when a subject really interested me would I get top grades. Ancient history was fascinating for me; A's right through & 100% on all my exams. Even though I loved math & sciences just as much, I couldn't ace them like history. People with ADD have smaller working memory RAM & my mind would drop extra bits while I was working on problems. (Like having tiny hands trying to hold the same amount in them as someone with big hands - don't know if that makes sense to you.)
I have ease of comprehension & seeing how to solve problems/situations etc but can't juggle & manipulate too many ideas in my head at the same time. I really believe people with ADD do far better with understanding & comprehending concepts, linking ideas & solutions together, and not nearly so well with tasks that require one to remember & manipulate a lot of detail together at the same time.
As for your question "Can someone who is bipolar and "stabilized"
be ADD, take a stimulant, get the ADD cured, but
be driven (hypo)manic and in the process trigger hyperactive
behaviour thus utterly confusing the whole diagonsis?"
I sadly can't say. Paradoxically, Dexedrine can calm me down & I can even fall asleep on it, but at other times, it seems to set off my hyperactivity even more. I can't figure that. I KNOW (a gut feeling really) that I'm not bipolar when I feel hypromanic but am just very active & feeling good. I never feel even slightly grandiose, though I may joke about it. The differences to me are very clear.
Posted by Ritch on March 10, 2002, at 14:45:38
In reply to Re: ADD experience w/bipolar w/o » JohnX2, posted by IsoM on March 10, 2002, at 13:56:24
....People with ADD have smaller working memory RAM & my mind would drop extra bits while I was working on problems. (Like having tiny hands trying to hold the same amount in them as someone with big hands - don't know if that makes sense to you.)
Wow, you just explained that to a "tee"! It is like only having a limited amount of temporary storage space. I remember trying to manipulate complex equations and always "dropping" or "flipping" something and winding up with the wrong answer over and over again-just wanted to scream. It was literally like needing to *juggle* four balls in the air at the same time. I could get two or three going, and then someone would toss me the 3rd or 4th ball and I would drop all of them.
>
> I have ease of comprehension & seeing how to solve problems/situations etc but can't juggle & manipulate too many ideas in my head at the same time. I really believe people with ADD do far better with understanding & comprehending concepts, linking ideas & solutions together, and not nearly so well with tasks that require one to remember & manipulate a lot of detail together at the same time.
I find that meds that work the best for attention actually make it *more* difficult to *multitask*.Mitch
Posted by IsoM on March 10, 2002, at 15:44:05
In reply to Re: ADD experience w/bipolar w/o » IsoM, posted by Ritch on March 10, 2002, at 14:45:38
See? That's what I mean about what ADD people are good at. If a person with ADD is reasonably intelligent, they tend to be much more astute (I don't mean to be unkind but there's a whole spectrum of intelligence & creativity in people with ADD, from as sharp as wet liver to the razor edge of obsidion, just like any other group of people). They can see the bigger picture & see complex relationships behind the picture.
I can walk into a group of people & without even trying, just by observation start to see the interweave of relationships between them all, the tug & pull, & how each is affected. I see life as a grand tapestry & people as threads interwoven. I see many things like that - I can watch a group of animals & birds & see the complex patterns forming. Yet, I can also miss the obvious when I'm busy in my mind. I went to a medical walk-in clinic once. Went to the desk & registered, then sat down. I then looked out the window & startled. There was a big display outside, where I had walked past, drawing people's attention to using public transportation. Brightly coloured balloons, banners, a clown, the works, but I never even saw it when I walked past it. That's an unusual case but I will miss obvious things but see the moth on the floor that no one else notices.
I can multitask easily but only in something that I know well, then it becomes almost rote in what I'm doing, or a kinetic memory where my muscles know what to do without thinking about it - like bicycle riding is a kinetic memory. One son insists that the "absent-minded professor" is based on me. :-)
Posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 19:42:06
In reply to Re: ADD experience w/bipolar w/o » IsoM, posted by Ritch on March 10, 2002, at 14:45:38
> ....People with ADD have smaller working memory RAM & my mind would drop extra bits while I was working on problems. (Like having tiny hands trying to hold the same amount in them as someone with big hands - don't know if that makes sense to you.)
>
>
> Wow, you just explained that to a "tee"! It is like only having a limited amount of temporary storage space. I remember trying to manipulate complex equations and always "dropping" or "flipping" something and winding up with the wrong answer over and over again-just wanted to scream. It was literally like needing to *juggle* four balls in the air at the same time. I could get two or three going, and then someone would toss me the 3rd or 4th ball and I would drop all of them.
Hmm that kinda looka like me. Stims don't solve this smaller working RAM problem though for me.
This has confounded me my whole life.Do these mean anything:
- caffeine junky.
- hate classwork requiring rote memorization, but will ace it.
- never use hot-keys on complicated computer programs;
must use the crummy menus and buttons. Will resort to
memorizing the hot-keys when it seems reasonable (I know
people who use hot-keys for everything; don't get it).
- can't for the life of me read a long fictional book. By page 10 I get all the
characters confused and find myself flipping back and forth. It drives
me nuts. Thank heaven for Cliff's Notes; I'd never had graduated high school.
I'm OK with magazine articles. OK with technical journals and books.
- forgetting how to spell simple words (don't do much formal writing).
Yet I have an extensive vocabulary.
- can hyperfocus on tasks
- seem to be 3 or 4 thoughts ahead of other people
- don't have problems with outburts (hyperactivity)
- Use a calculator at work for a lot of my simple math (don't like
to do/remember it in my head, even though i'm an engineer).
- great at thinking deductively,analytically.
- remember directions by visual cues instead of street names.
- I'd rather focus on completing a task all together before
moving on to the next task. (otherwise I'll never finish anything).
- I lean towards being pretty disorganized.
- I don't balance my checkbook.
- I always procrastinate.I was given ADD tests by two pdocs (these q's):
name the months backwards - passed
count backwards from 100 subtracting 7 - passed
listed fruits, changes subject, asked me to list fruits. I named the fruits - passedI still got the stim (adderall) from the 1st doc.
It made me hypomanic.What do you think?
-John
Posted by IsoM on March 10, 2002, at 20:08:04
In reply to Re: ADD experience w/bipolar w/o, posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 19:42:06
"...name the months backwards - passed
count backwards from 100 subtracting 7 - passed
listed fruits, changes subject, asked me to list fruits. I named the fruits - passed"Phew! Such piddley little tests - that's not anything to do with ADD. It's the old idea that people with ADD can't focus - yes, we CAN focus & can focus very well, thank you, but not consistently. A better test is one that checks the ability of a person to focus when there's something new & exciting and when it's dull & boring. The differences between the ability to focus in diff situations show more. People with ADD 'tend' to show a far greater difference of response & focus between the two conditions, whereas normal people will be more focused during something exciting but the diff is so great.
I know a doctor testing whether you can name months backwards, etc doesn't really seem exciting, but it's something new & your brain suddenly charges up in anticipation.
I hate to admit it but your problem with fiction is one I have too. If I really am enjoying the book, I'll even make my own notes on characters so I can flip back to see who's who. If I put a book down for a few days, I might as well forget it.
I really don't think there's anything one can do to increase their working RAM - it's probably hard-wired in. But I think we can put forth a lot of effort into constantly practicing & using it to keep it in top shape. Like a scrawny little guy who works out regularly, lots of weights & fewer reps. He'll develop more muscle mass but he'll never be an Arnold Schwartzenegger. We've got to use it or lose it with our working RAM, as much as I hate forcing it.
And yes, John, you sound far more ADD to me than bipolar but heck, I'm not trained at that sort of thing. Are you always on the lookout for new things (not all of these new things have to be macho or dangerous - for me, it's new mental stimulation) & new ideas to try? After exploring these ideas thoroughly, do you find you'll start losing interest in them? They don't seem as fun as before? That's a typical ADD trait, though maybe not all share it.
Posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 20:57:14
In reply to Re: ADD tests » JohnX2, posted by IsoM on March 10, 2002, at 20:08:04
How about this:Small Talk:
I suck at small talk. HATE IT. bores me
to death at times. I just don't do it. My mind is
blank. I'm a wallflower.But, in an interview setting....
I am absolutely charming! (because I gotta be, so it just happens and I can't explain it??).
Small talk....no problemo!
Hobbies:Find 1, BEAT IT TO DEATH. Have to learn it inside out.
Must master every little iota of it. Can't let other things get in
my way in the mean time. Once I hit the terminal, I drop it like a rock.This depression thing is an example.... Hmm. These psychotropic drugs do interesting
things to me, I wonder why....study it to death. Soon I'll drop it and never look at it
again. (Hopefully I'll feel well).This has happened with many other things. Computers, job, golf, stock market, school
Sometimes I revisit these things....But I almost *always* complete what I am doing.
I don't just get bored and leave things hanging.
If I think somethings boring, then i don't get involved with it.
I finish what I started.What my life doesn't have is BALANCE.
Does that mean anything?
As far as the bipolar goes, there's no doubt in
my mind I've had hypomania. I've always wondered
about the ADD though. My caffeine addiction (like
drinking 2 cases diet coke day) has always been a source of question: am I self medicating
ADD, or am I fueling hypomania, or am I medicating
depression? Well, I can function fully without caffeine,
I know because I have quit caffeine. I am not dysfunctional
in anyway. What happens is if I take caffeine after
being off it for more than 2 weeks, just 1 sip
will make me immensely euphoric, and then I just get
back on the caffeine train. Seems more an addiction to
fuel hypomania?I was listening to a doctor who specializes in addiction
science and he was commenting that in adults addiction to
psychostimulants generally manifests symptoms of ADD,
particulartly people who abuse cocaine or speed. What do
you think of that statement?-John
> "...name the months backwards - passed
> count backwards from 100 subtracting 7 - passed
> listed fruits, changes subject, asked me to list fruits. I named the fruits - passed"
>
> Phew! Such piddley little tests - that's not anything to do with ADD. It's the old idea that people with ADD can't focus - yes, we CAN focus & can focus very well, thank you, but not consistently. A better test is one that checks the ability of a person to focus when there's something new & exciting and when it's dull & boring. The differences between the ability to focus in diff situations show more. People with ADD 'tend' to show a far greater difference of response & focus between the two conditions, whereas normal people will be more focused during something exciting but the diff is so great.
>
> I know a doctor testing whether you can name months backwards, etc doesn't really seem exciting, but it's something new & your brain suddenly charges up in anticipation.
>
> I hate to admit it but your problem with fiction is one I have too. If I really am enjoying the book, I'll even make my own notes on characters so I can flip back to see who's who. If I put a book down for a few days, I might as well forget it.
>
> I really don't think there's anything one can do to increase their working RAM - it's probably hard-wired in. But I think we can put forth a lot of effort into constantly practicing & using it to keep it in top shape. Like a scrawny little guy who works out regularly, lots of weights & fewer reps. He'll develop more muscle mass but he'll never be an Arnold Schwartzenegger. We've got to use it or lose it with our working RAM, as much as I hate forcing it.
>
> And yes, John, you sound far more ADD to me than bipolar but heck, I'm not trained at that sort of thing. Are you always on the lookout for new things (not all of these new things have to be macho or dangerous - for me, it's new mental stimulation) & new ideas to try? After exploring these ideas thoroughly, do you find you'll start losing interest in them? They don't seem as fun as before? That's a typical ADD trait, though maybe not all share it.
Posted by Ritch on March 10, 2002, at 22:13:06
In reply to Re: ADD experience w/bipolar w/o, posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 19:42:06
> > ....People with ADD have smaller working memory RAM & my mind would drop extra bits while I was working on problems. (Like having tiny hands trying to hold the same amount in them as someone with big hands - don't know if that makes sense to you.)
> >
> >
> > Wow, you just explained that to a "tee"! It is like only having a limited amount of temporary storage space. I remember trying to manipulate complex equations and always "dropping" or "flipping" something and winding up with the wrong answer over and over again-just wanted to scream. It was literally like needing to *juggle* four balls in the air at the same time. I could get two or three going, and then someone would toss me the 3rd or 4th ball and I would drop all of them.
>
>
> Hmm that kinda looka like me. Stims don't solve this smaller working RAM problem though for me.
> This has confounded me my whole life.
>
> Do these mean anything:
>
> - caffeine junky.
> - hate classwork requiring rote memorization, but will ace it.
> - never use hot-keys on complicated computer programs;
> must use the crummy menus and buttons. Will resort to
> memorizing the hot-keys when it seems reasonable (I know
> people who use hot-keys for everything; don't get it).
> - can't for the life of me read a long fictional book. By page 10 I get all the
> characters confused and find myself flipping back and forth. It drives
> me nuts. Thank heaven for Cliff's Notes; I'd never had graduated high school.
> I'm OK with magazine articles. OK with technical journals and books.
> - forgetting how to spell simple words (don't do much formal writing).
> Yet I have an extensive vocabulary.
> - can hyperfocus on tasks
> - seem to be 3 or 4 thoughts ahead of other people
> - don't have problems with outburts (hyperactivity)
> - Use a calculator at work for a lot of my simple math (don't like
> to do/remember it in my head, even though i'm an engineer).
> - great at thinking deductively,analytically.
> - remember directions by visual cues instead of street names.
> - I'd rather focus on completing a task all together before
> moving on to the next task. (otherwise I'll never finish anything).
> - I lean towards being pretty disorganized.
> - I don't balance my checkbook.
> - I always procrastinate.
>
> I was given ADD tests by two pdocs (these q's):
>
> name the months backwards - passed
> count backwards from 100 subtracting 7 - passed
> listed fruits, changes subject, asked me to list fruits. I named the fruits - passed
>
> I still got the stim (adderall) from the 1st doc.
> It made me hypomanic.
>
> What do you think?
>
> -JohnJohn, I would try the nortripytline. Really. Desipramine worked the best of *anything* for my attentional probs, but it triggered argumentativeness and hypomania. I have this problem with exotropia. Well, it has to do with my left *or* my right eye wandering off to the side while my other eye looks straight ahead. I have noticed that my attentional troubles are directly correlated with my ability to keep both of my eyes focused "dead-ahead". Maybe it is "seizure-related" I don't know. But meds that "snap" my eyes "together" are the ones that fix the ADHD probs, and if I take a 10mg cap of nortrip. despite anything else I am taking it always "snaps" my eyes together and I can focus without being uptight.
hope this helps anybody,Mitch
Posted by JohnX2 on March 11, 2002, at 0:31:18
In reply to ADD experience w/bipolar w/o, posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 3:16:49
Posted by IsoM on March 11, 2002, at 1:21:21
In reply to Re: ADD tests » IsoM, posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 20:57:14
> > "...Find 1, BEAT IT TO DEATH. Have to learn it inside out.
Must master every little iota of it. Can't let other things get in
my way in the mean time. Once I hit the terminal, I drop it like a rock."Oh yes, John! Very, very ADD.
> > "...commenting that in adults addiction to
psychostimulants generally manifests symptoms of ADD,
particulartly people who abuse cocaine or speed."Yes, again I agree. That's not to say if you don't abuse drugs, you're not ADD. I took meth once, & once only. I felt SO good & SO normal. But the attraction was so powerful, it scared me, especially as I saw other friends get addicted. Caffeine does nothing for me. I can take Wake-Up pills & sleep on them, but maybe I'm very UNsensitive to caffeine.
And lastly John, I don't get bored easily either. That doesn't mean you're not ADD. I can stick to something & finish it, specially if I'm hyperfocusing on it. I hate being stopped in the middle of something. The two things that have held my interest consistently through all the years is animals & growing plants. That's why I figure I need to find a career in plants. Another reason for the interest in plants is it's impossible to learn everything about it. It's a constant learning process in the science behind all of it.
Posted by JohnX2 on March 11, 2002, at 1:46:05
In reply to My Reply about your symptoms » JohnX2, posted by IsoM on March 11, 2002, at 1:21:21
The only noticeable improvement Adderall made to
my life besides my mood was my golf game. I dropped
that a long time ago..stuck around a 10 hcp. Picked it
up again and was shooting almost par golf.Always stunk at sports (horrible coordination). At baseball I would swing
after the ball hit the catchers mit. When I was taking Adderall,
it seemed my "muscle memory" and hand-eye whole body coordination
just sort of came together...weird.PS I've been reading through a lot of my posts and I've noticed how
disheveled they are (people must think I'm dyslexic). Believe me, I'm not this horrendous.
It's this stupid dinky, little, Netscape box that scrolls off to the right that is only 4 inches big.
I have to scroll it left and right just to see what I typed on every sentence.
When you type a sentence does the whole thing disappear to the left while you type it?
That's a problem for us ADDer's, because we forget what we are typing on the sentence while
we are typing it. I hate scrolling back to the left just to see what I recently typed!-John
> > > "...Find 1, BEAT IT TO DEATH. Have to learn it inside out.
> Must master every little iota of it. Can't let other things get in
> my way in the mean time. Once I hit the terminal, I drop it like a rock."
>
> Oh yes, John! Very, very ADD.
>
> > > "...commenting that in adults addiction to
> psychostimulants generally manifests symptoms of ADD,
> particulartly people who abuse cocaine or speed."
>
> Yes, again I agree. That's not to say if you don't abuse drugs, you're not ADD. I took meth once, & once only. I felt SO good & SO normal. But the attraction was so powerful, it scared me, especially as I saw other friends get addicted. Caffeine does nothing for me. I can take Wake-Up pills & sleep on them, but maybe I'm very UNsensitive to caffeine.
>
> And lastly John, I don't get bored easily either. That doesn't mean you're not ADD. I can stick to something & finish it, specially if I'm hyperfocusing on it. I hate being stopped in the middle of something. The two things that have held my interest consistently through all the years is animals & growing plants. That's why I figure I need to find a career in plants. Another reason for the interest in plants is it's impossible to learn everything about it. It's a constant learning process in the science behind all of it.
Posted by JohnX2 on March 11, 2002, at 14:08:36
In reply to ADD experience w/bipolar w/o, posted by JohnX2 on March 10, 2002, at 3:16:49
Thanks again for all the positive and insightful
feedback.I've decided to break up my "labels" i.e. dx's
into buckets of confidence. I don't like labels.
I prefer to label myself. I don't think
the ADD is high level of confidence.I think I could turn this into a fuzzy logic type
quantification if I thought about it hard enough.
But I'll just stick with my thoughts about my medicine
responses, life experiences, vantage points of others'
experiences, all my pdocs' diagnosis, and draw up a hierarchy:confidence
level
------
tier 1: BipolarII (high)
tier 2: ADD (moderate?)
tier 3: PTSD/GAD/MajorDepression (low/moderate)
tier 4: Panic (remote)
tier 5: Anti Social Personality Disorder (go back to psych school you loser)In the end I just do what makes me function well
and enjoy life as I be.-John
>
> I'm trying to understand differences between
> ADD diagnosis (non hyperactive type) that may
> or may not accompany bipolar disorder.
>
> Are there people with ADD who don't take medicine
> who do markedly well in schooling?
>
> Do people with ADD tend to do better in certain
> disciplines than others?
>
> Can someone who is bipolar and "stabilized"
> be ADD, take a stimulant, get the ADD cured, but
> be driven (hypo)manic and in the process trigger hyperactive
> behaviour thus utterly confusing the whole diagonsis?
>
> comments?
>
> -John
Posted by IsoM on March 11, 2002, at 14:15:32
In reply to Re: My Reply about your symptoms , posted by JohnX2 on March 11, 2002, at 1:46:05
No, for me (messages scrolling off to the left) doesn't happen as I never learned to type without watching the keyboard - I don't watch the screen. And when I write, it's always a flow from mental talking. I mentally say the words as I type, kind of like carrying on a one-sided conversation. It does mean I have to go back & correct juxtapositioned letters frequently. I do that a lot when I type, like ohme instead of home & bllod instead of blood.
I always thought that ADD people probably have terrible coordination but I guess that's not always the case. I know 2 guys (brothers) who seem very ADD, they think so too, but they're terrific at sports, very athletic. For them, it's what keeps them awake & alert.
You wrote "noticed how disheveled they are (people must think I'm dyslexic)." It never even occured to me. I just read the message. Don't be too hard on yourself. I thought because your messages come in in a narrower format that you were just using a different program. Could you not type your messages in Notepad or Word & the copy & paste? More trouble though.
I notice with stims that my coordination came together perfectly too. I could still move in my hyperfast mode but I wasn't bumping into things like before - very fast & relatively graceful even!
Posted by JohnX2 on March 11, 2002, at 14:35:29
In reply to Typing Messages » JohnX2, posted by IsoM on March 11, 2002, at 14:15:32
>
>I thought because your messages come in in a narrower format that you were just using a different program. Could you not type your messages in Notepad or Word & the copy & paste? More trouble though.
>My typing is narrow because i usually hit carriage
return at the end of the box so that I can view
most of what I am typing! Got it ;) See, I have
remarkable visual perception. I can look at a screen
and process a large amount of information in a very short
amount of time. i.e. I can pick out my mental misques
and correct realtime (BUT I NEED to SEE them), I can't
rely on them being implemented in my other RAM. Must be
in the visual spectrum. Does this make any sense?
This box wouldn't bother me if it was 80 characters wide.
It only takes up a fraction of the screen the whole right
side is blank.At work we use these operating systems called Unix.
When I do text editing, I set my font to the smallest size
I can read so that I can see the most information on my
screen as possible. I do a lot of computer programming with
my job and I have to quickly recall a lot of program variables
and "shuffle" through code. There are so many engineers just
like me who need the same requirements. We all think alike
(all a bunch of dorks). I think there are different types
of memory ; I don't remember what they are (of course)..thnx,
John
Posted by IsoM on March 11, 2002, at 15:25:16
In reply to Re: Typing Messages » IsoM, posted by JohnX2 on March 11, 2002, at 14:35:29
Okay, I understand now about your messages. And hey, what's wrong with programming engineer dorks?? I think they're interesting. Sure a lot more interesting than all those beer-guzzling, wanna-be jocks who sit watching sports & get fat eating junk.
Apologies to any of you that are. :-)
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