Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 86979

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GHB: I think I've reached a clear point of view!

Posted by SteveS on December 15, 2001, at 10:38:53

Hi,
I've passed lot of hours during these last months reading, and visiting sites, trying to understand if ghb was a stupefacient or a medical product, and why it was so denigrated in US scientistic publications.
Why in Italy or in Europe it is considered like another antidepressant or sedative product?
Are all European researcher mad? Why they could leave in commerce a med that cause all kind of deseases and dangerous effects?
They probably lose their mind!
Or, perhaps, all US scientists are under the money of pharmaceutical trades, and they could promote only classic ADs, benzos and TCAs?
Good, probably none of the two above!
I dont wanna think in the above ways. I wish only understand if ghb could work better or not.
The answer that i gave myself was: "It is a simply geographic discrimination!"
On European pubblication, i find out:
1) Ghb works like benzos (it's similar) but it seems to give less side effects.
2) none case of serious danger was ever reported, on benzos, instead, you could read thounsand of fatal cases.
3) It's impossible to get overdose: if you exceed, you fall asleep.
4) You could be careful to not drive (just like all Ads, benzos and tcas and like a million of other medicals product).
These are the facts why you could use, in Europe, ghb or benzos or other meds.
Why in Us it is considered like a stupefacient?
I do not know, but I live in Europe, and i could not understand thousand of other US decisions and americans way of thinking!
That's the why it is, at the end, only a geographic matter!
In Europe it's impossible that a medical product could be retired from the commerce cause it could stimulate the rape! It's a "medioeval" way of thinking!
The rapes happends cause raper is just a criminal!
The cause is not what you could have drinken, eat or done.
But european have more practical way of thinking! We had too much inquisitions, witches, wizard in our past to not continue in that way!
That's the why, if in Europe anyone would try to begin a law-action just like it was done in US, Judges will laugh in front of his face!
bye.

 

Re: GHB: I think I've reached a clear point of view!

Posted by geno on December 15, 2001, at 18:19:15

In reply to GHB: I think I've reached a clear point of view!, posted by SteveS on December 15, 2001, at 10:38:53

> Hi,
> I've passed lot of hours during these last months reading, and visiting sites, trying to understand if ghb was a stupefacient or a medical product, and why it was so denigrated in US scientistic publications.
> Why in Italy or in Europe it is considered like another antidepressant or sedative product?
> Are all European researcher mad? Why they could leave in commerce a med that cause all kind of deseases and dangerous effects?
> They probably lose their mind!
> Or, perhaps, all US scientists are under the money of pharmaceutical trades, and they could promote only classic ADs, benzos and TCAs?
> Good, probably none of the two above!
> I dont wanna think in the above ways. I wish only understand if ghb could work better or not.
> The answer that i gave myself was: "It is a simply geographic discrimination!"
> On European pubblication, i find out:
> 1) Ghb works like benzos (it's similar) but it seems to give less side effects.
> 2) none case of serious danger was ever reported, on benzos, instead, you could read thounsand of fatal cases.
> 3) It's impossible to get overdose: if you exceed, you fall asleep.
> 4) You could be careful to not drive (just like all Ads, benzos and tcas and like a million of other medicals product).
> These are the facts why you could use, in Europe, ghb or benzos or other meds.
> Why in Us it is considered like a stupefacient?
> I do not know, but I live in Europe, and i could not understand thousand of other US decisions and americans way of thinking!
> That's the why it is, at the end, only a geographic matter!
> In Europe it's impossible that a medical product could be retired from the commerce cause it could stimulate the rape! It's a "medioeval" way of thinking!
> The rapes happends cause raper is just a criminal!
> The cause is not what you could have drinken, eat or done.
> But european have more practical way of thinking! We had too much inquisitions, witches, wizard in our past to not continue in that way!
> That's the why, if in Europe anyone would try to begin a law-action just like it was done in US, Judges will laugh in front of his face!
> bye.

ghb can be used for alot of things.
Acute anxiety or social phobia
severe depression
sleep
detoxificaiton from alcohol or opiates

AMerica needs to wake up . They blame drugs due to irresponisble usage.
geno

 

Re: GHB: I think I've reached a clear point of view!

Posted by JGalt on December 16, 2001, at 15:16:52

In reply to Re: GHB: I think I've reached a clear point of view!, posted by geno on December 15, 2001, at 18:19:15

SteveS, you are quite right in my opinion and experience. I've found nothing that works near as well as it does...unfortunately I can't use GHB if I want to do some hard studying or thinking, but nor could I on benzo's. But other than that it is quite effective, and unlike most drugs, has no tolerance problems. Actually I've noticed sensitization more than anything, when I first started out, I was using about 25-33% more than I am now to get the same effect. Just wish there was like a ghb patch so that I didn't have to keep doing tiny doses every couple hrs to keep me in the "good feeling" range w/o dropping back to normal or developing a severe hatred of food because it seems to nullify the effects.

 

Re: GHB: I think I've reached a clear point of view!

Posted by geno on December 16, 2001, at 18:58:54

In reply to Re: GHB: I think I've reached a clear point of view!, posted by JGalt on December 16, 2001, at 15:16:52

> SteveS, you are quite right in my opinion and experience. I've found nothing that works near as well as it does...unfortunately I can't use GHB if I want to do some hard studying or thinking, but nor could I on benzo's. But other than that it is quite effective, and unlike most drugs, has no tolerance problems. Actually I've noticed sensitization more than anything, when I first started out, I was using about 25-33% more than I am now to get the same effect. Just wish there was like a ghb patch so that I didn't have to keep doing tiny doses every couple hrs to keep me in the "good feeling" range w/o dropping back to normal or developing a severe hatred of food because it seems to nullify the effects.

Iv been doing various studies on ghb. ghb is quickly metabloized in approx 30min. ghb could be used for anxiety and depression, but has to be often redosed every hour or so.
Ghb increases gastric emptying, and lowering of domaine levels is shown to increase appetite. I find i eat everthing in site. GHB also effects insulin levels, that why you crave carbohydrates. When you eat them, your blood sugar plummets causing the shitty feeling, requiring one to redose to feel good.
Ya i wish they would invent something like a patch.
geno

 

Re: GHB Experience

Posted by Cloud 9 on December 17, 2001, at 11:02:46

In reply to Re: GHB: I think I've reached a clear point of view!, posted by geno on December 16, 2001, at 18:58:54

G everyday? How much? I used to do it everyday for awhile to get me going in the morning, which was about three years ago. Actually, it was my drug of choice when i could get my hands on it. Everything seems so perfect on it, but completely superficial. When i was on it, it seemed very real, similar to ectasy minus the harsh hangover, however, sober your problems still exist. I never actually felt "normal" i was always happy even taking very small amounts. Not sure if it's really the best drug to be self-medicating with though. I had a 1000 mL that went fairly quicky. Not to mention the deaths associated with the drug. Actually, this past weekend four kids overdosed and are now in ICU at a Toronto Hospital. I'm sure you guys no your limits but every batch tends to have a different concentration. I had had not done G for three years until last night. Holy crap was I mess to say the least. Just a pop bottle cap full and i blacked out entirely. My friends say i was hilarious: screaming profanities, acting out movie scenes, sprawled on the floor laughing my butt off. I'm sure it was fun, it just would have been nice to remember it all. This was probably accounted to being on effexor xr and simultaniously ingesting a highly concentrated hit of GHB... a combo that wasn't experimented with in the past. So not to lecture you guys at all, have fun, but be careful if you're on any other meds. Afterall I was G veteran or so i thought.

(wow that last line's a little on the melo-dramatic side, it sounds like a drinking and driving ad... excuse the cheese)

later
Cloud 9

 

Re: GHB Experience

Posted by JGalt on December 17, 2001, at 22:02:47

In reply to Re: GHB Experience, posted by Cloud 9 on December 17, 2001, at 11:02:46

hehe, Cloud 9, we all have our stories. I do not do GHB, that's illegal...just something similar that is legal in my state. But the amounts of each are roughly equivalent to each other. My current dosing status is this:
1.5ml the second I wake up.
.3ml every hr thereafter (or equivalent, usually I don't dose more often than once every 2 hrs). I don't take any after dinner cuz it will have no effect, so I wait 2-3 hrs after dinner(my only meal) for food to settle then start back up again w/ 1.5ml. Last dose is done 1 hr before bedtime cuz I seem to get a mild form of a hangover if I take a bunch before bed.

As I'm sure you realize, this is a rather small amount, despite the fact that I'm not a small guy. I have used up to 3ml every 4hrs (inc. during sleep) when a certian traumatic event affected my life, did that for about a month (was sleeping a lot and not all there when I was awake usually) then I got over it and backed myself back down to reasonable dosages.

JGalt

 

JGalt: I've many question for u!

Posted by SteveS on December 18, 2001, at 8:16:26

In reply to Re: GHB Experience, posted by JGalt on December 17, 2001, at 22:02:47

Hi JGalt,
I've realized that you are the most expert on the board about GHB!
So, I would like to ask you a lot of thing about that matter, and I think u can help me a lot!
Would you please (if u like!) send me an your e-mail private address so I can contact u directly?
If u want u can mail me the address to my e-mail: maurobox@gsmbox.it.
Tank you very much indeed for your help and courtesy!
I'm wainting for your kind replay!
Bye Steve

 

Re: GHB Experience JGalt

Posted by Cloud 9 on December 19, 2001, at 12:51:09

In reply to Re: GHB Experience, posted by JGalt on December 17, 2001, at 22:02:47

Sounds like you've got a pretty safe regimen going. As long as you're not increasing the dosage when life gets too tough, i see no problem with what you're doing. Hey if it's working for you, great. Just try not to allow it to become your cruch. Too bad you can't just dose once a day. It must be a little difficult finding privacy to take it every hour.

What is the GHB substitute called in your state?
Is it legally accessible in Canada?
I take it you're not on ADs too?

Cheers,
C9

 

Re: GHB Experience

Posted by JGalt on December 19, 2001, at 16:45:07

In reply to Re: GHB Experience JGalt, posted by Cloud 9 on December 19, 2001, at 12:51:09

Cloud 9,

I'm on 300mg Wellbutrin as well but I've found that even that w/o the ghb like substance is no where near strong enough (just to note, I'm also using 200mg caffeine and 50mg ephedrine total a day). I realized that today when I was feeling crappier than normal this morning and it wasn't getting any better even though I thought I had had my usual dose as soon as I woke up. Usually I put it in a drink by my bed before I go to sleep, but apparantly I forgot to put it in my drink last night. So it obviously isn't a placebo effect.

You mention dosing once a day, interestingly, there is a patent on a substance that is GHB, but through some chemical wizardly, one dose lasts 12 hrs (obviously you have to take more in this single dose as a result). I haven't taken enough chemistry yet to be able to make it, but I hope to try it sometime.

The GHB substitute is called 1,4 Butanediol. I have no knowledge as to whether or not it is legal in Canada. Buying it in the US is difficult as the gov. has encouraged bulk suppliers to not sell to individuals. It is used in all sorts of production processes, banning it outright from the face of the earth would be very difficult if not impossible. I know it used to be legal for individual possession not too long ago, as one supplier I had heard about was in Canada, but I do not know if that is still the case now. With this chemical, it is even more important not to take it w/ alky, as it uses the same two enzymes to convert to ghb in the body (alcohol dihydrogenase or something like that).

Also, I do not take it every hr, more like ever 2-3 hrs I'll get a dose. It'd be too inconvenient that often, taking a bathroom break every 2-3 hrs is perfectly normal for me anyway.

JGalt


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