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Posted by Zo on July 17, 2001, at 19:38:03
I am currently without mood stabilizers, just starting Omega-3 (OmegaBrite) protocol, which won't kick in, if it does, for another two weeks. Time to observe my BPII symptoms - and my pdoc's on vacation.
My pattern is awakening to sharp, sharp depression that only a nibble of codiene will cut. . .and being fine or almost so by evening. Ever heard of this? Is it the most rapid cycing of all time. . or normal BPII experience? Either way, it sucks.
Thanks,
Zo
Posted by geekUK on July 17, 2001, at 20:03:36
In reply to Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed, posted by Zo on July 17, 2001, at 19:38:03
Cycling can hapen a few times an hour, so I have read. four+ in a year is the classification of rapid cycleing, I was suprised when I read that! If you are male (?)them you may have something hormonal wrong (purely my speculation) as following a dayly cycle may be due to high testost. in morning and low at night. If your not then whoops.
I put my chronic inability to think streight 4 1-2 hours after waking down to this. but I guess everyone finds it hard to get there brain in gear in the morning!!
Posted by MM on July 17, 2001, at 20:46:32
In reply to Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed, posted by Zo on July 17, 2001, at 19:38:03
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> My pattern is awakening to sharp, sharp depression that only a nibble of codiene will cut. . .and being fine or almost so by evening. Ever heard of this? Is it the most rapid cycing of all time. . or normal BPII experience? Either way, it sucks.
>
> Thanks,
> Zo
I don't know if I'm a rapid cycler, but I'm dxd BPII and I experience that exactly. I don't know if it's common or not, but I've also read that some people can cycle as fast as every 10 minutes, or hourly. One theory about bipolar is that our biorythms (sp?) are off, like our inner clocks are not set right. The sun comes up but we're still tired because our body doesn't react to the daily light and dark, or something like that.
Posted by Janelle on July 17, 2001, at 23:29:16
In reply to Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed, posted by Zo on July 17, 2001, at 19:38:03
I'm not sure if I'm a rapid cycler or not; depends on the context I think. Nonetheless, I have been dx'd as BPII/hypomania I'm experiencing exactly what you've described.
I don't know if it's common or not, but I've also read that some people can cycle several times within one day (24 hours).
I have also heard the theory mentioned above about how people with Bipolar(II)their circadian or biorythmns or inner clocks are off, and not set right - we cannot get to sleep at night, so we're up through the wee hours, then when it's "regular" time to wake up, we're still feeling tired because we haven't yet gotten 6-8 hours.
By the way, what is OmegaIII (OmegaBrite) - is it OmegaIII oils, is it a PRESCRIPTION product, and what is it supposed to help? Thanks!
-Janelle
Posted by Zo on July 18, 2001, at 0:03:27
In reply to To ZO: Re Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed » Zo, posted by Janelle on July 17, 2001, at 23:29:16
OmegaBrite.com is non-Rax brand pdoc recommended, apparently you have to have the right ratio of EPA to DHA for it to work, if it's going to, for BP. . .Works in abt. 65% of cases , btwn. week 2 & 3.
> By the way, what is OmegaIII (OmegaBrite) - is it OmegaIII oils, is it a PRESCRIPTION product, and what is it supposed to help? Thanks!
> -Janelle
Posted by Mitch on July 18, 2001, at 9:59:58
In reply to Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed, posted by Zo on July 17, 2001, at 19:38:03
Hi, Zo,
I am a rapid cycler (3-week cycles). So, besides Omega-3 you are on no meds? You are still taking your Neurontin for TLE aren't you? I forget if morning dominant depression is atypical or not-sorry. I have fluctuations during the day as well, but my cycles tend to run in groups of several days of depression, then rebounding into mild hypomania for a few days and then a fade into euthymia for a few more. Zo, was this your pdoc's idea to stop your Neurontin? Uh,oh I don't know if that was such a hot idea. I stopped Neurontin cold a couple of times and I got quite agitated, depressed, and anxious. I know your pdoc is on vacation, but if you start feeling pretty crappy you might want to restart your Neurontin.
Mitch
> I am currently without mood stabilizers, just starting Omega-3 (OmegaBrite) protocol, which won't kick in, if it does, for another two weeks. Time to observe my BPII symptoms - and my pdoc's on vacation.
>
> My pattern is awakening to sharp, sharp depression that only a nibble of codiene will cut. . .and being fine or almost so by evening. Ever heard of this? Is it the most rapid cycing of all time. . or normal BPII experience? Either way, it sucks.
>
> Thanks,
> Zo
Posted by Mitch on July 18, 2001, at 10:02:26
In reply to Re: Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed, posted by geekUK on July 17, 2001, at 20:03:36
GeekUK,
That is a classic symptom of ADHD as well as depression.
> I put my chronic inability to think streight 4 1-2 hours after waking down to this. but I guess everyone finds it hard to get there brain in gear in the morning!!
Posted by MB on July 18, 2001, at 12:10:46
In reply to Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed, posted by Zo on July 17, 2001, at 19:38:03
> I am currently without mood stabilizers, just starting Omega-3 (OmegaBrite) protocol, which won't kick in, if it does, for another two weeks. Time to observe my BPII symptoms - and my pdoc's on vacation.
>
> My pattern is awakening to sharp, sharp depression that only a nibble of codiene will cut. . .and being fine or almost so by evening. Ever heard of this? Is it the most rapid cycing of all time. . or normal BPII experience? Either way, it sucks.
>
> Thanks,
> ZoI wake up to sharp, rage-tinged depression, and am fine by night. If I'm not careful (and if I don't get exercise daily) I have violent rage attacks. Also, I tend to get really fatigued, sleep a lot and over eat. I don't know what it'd be if you had to shove it in a box and name it, but the "sharp depression" in the morning and "better by night" struck a chord with me. If a doctor diagnosed me as bipolar, I would be reluctant to take a mood stabalizer: my "up" moments (which I think would be more accurately decribed as moments of normalcy, and which are marked by serenity and not energy) are the only nice parts of my life. I wouldn't want to "dampen" them.
Posted by MB on July 18, 2001, at 12:14:00
In reply to Re: Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed » Zo, posted by MB on July 18, 2001, at 12:10:46
> > I am currently without mood stabilizers, just starting Omega-3 (OmegaBrite) protocol, which won't kick in, if it does, for another two weeks. Time to observe my BPII symptoms - and my pdoc's on vacation.
> >
> > My pattern is awakening to sharp, sharp depression that only a nibble of codiene will cut. . .and being fine or almost so by evening. Ever heard of this? Is it the most rapid cycing of all time. . or normal BPII experience? Either way, it sucks.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Zo
>
> I wake up to sharp, rage-tinged depression, and am fine by night. If I'm not careful (and if I don't get exercise daily) I have violent rage attacks. Also, I tend to get really fatigued, sleep a lot and over eat. I don't know what it'd be if you had to shove it in a box and name it, but the "sharp depression" in the morning and "better by night" struck a chord with me. If a doctor diagnosed me as bipolar, I would be reluctant to take a mood stabalizer: my "up" moments (which I think would be more accurately decribed as moments of normalcy, and which are marked by serenity and not energy) are the only nice parts of my life. I wouldn't want to "dampen" them.Oh, and by the way, opiates were wonder drugs for me too (except they quit working when I built a tolorance, and I was left with dependence). However, I'd choose them over suicide any day!
Posted by Zo on July 18, 2001, at 22:16:49
In reply to Re: Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed » Zo, posted by Mitch on July 18, 2001, at 9:59:58
Sorry, I should have qualified that, I'm still on sm. amount of Neurontin (400mg) . . .it just doesn't do much for cycling, if that's what's happening to me.
Thanks,
Zo
Posted by Mitch on July 18, 2001, at 23:36:10
In reply to Re: Rapid Cycling? - BPII, info needed » Mitch, posted by Zo on July 18, 2001, at 22:16:49
Zo, that is something of a relief I guess, but what exactly did you discontinue? It doesn't sound like you are in some sort of "ultradian" cycling to me. In fact I am in a seasonal major depression right now that is being partially controlled by meds. The laying around in bed all morning not wanting or not being able to get up and fully alert is exactly what is happening to me right now. What does happen is that I can get to sleep ok (with some Klonopin help .5mg), but I always tend to have early morning awakenings (go to sleep at midnite-1am, but wake at say 5-6am), followed by tossing and turning and then going back to sleep and sleeping until nearly noon. As the day progresses I do tend to feel better. But the trick is this-do you feel "hypomanic" in the evenings?? If not I think this is just plain old depression.
Mitch
> Sorry, I should have qualified that, I'm still on sm. amount of Neurontin (400mg) . . .it just doesn't do much for cycling, if that's what's happening to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Zo
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