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Posted by paul on May 29, 2000, at 0:45:19
of late i've read with interest all the posts re:serzone and anger. i've been on 400 mg/day all at night + 200 mg hydroxyzine+1mg clonazepam for sleep. since seeing the new shrink, who asked me to research risperdal/seroquel/zyprexa-which i will NOT touch-and having him suggest upping the dose to 500mg serzone, -which i willingly did-the hydroxyzine is no longer necessary and i've reduced the clonazepam by 25%-tonight it will be reduced by 50%. i sleep like a log for very extended periods which i dont mind ONE BIT. as i've suffered with a furschluginner sleep disorder for my entire life, sleeping 12 hours is a VERY welcome change. i have never experienced anger with serzone. blind rage thanks to wellbutrin-THAT i know and will welcome the day that i forget the trash even exists. this weekend has been anger-producing because no matter how hard i've tried, every plan i've made for getting out of the goddamn house has fallen FLAT on its BUTTIMOOSE-still i don't think the anger i feel-which is more related to frustration-is serzone-related. would you who have suffered the serzone/anger syndrome fill me in a bit? it's possible that it may be going on w/o my noticing it though i know this is a reach.
tx
pcl
god is a sock
Posted by brian on May 29, 2000, at 0:54:10
In reply to serzone, anger, and sleep, posted by paul on May 29, 2000, at 0:45:19
> of late i've read with interest all the posts re:serzone and anger. i've been on 400 mg/day all at night + 200 mg hydroxyzine+1mg clonazepam for sleep. since seeing the new shrink, who asked me to research risperdal/seroquel/zyprexa-which i will NOT touch-and having him suggest upping the dose to 500mg serzone, -which i willingly did-the hydroxyzine is no longer necessary and i've reduced the clonazepam by 25%-tonight it will be reduced by 50%. i sleep like a log for very extended periods which i dont mind ONE BIT. as i've suffered with a furschluginner sleep disorder for my entire life, sleeping 12 hours is a VERY welcome change. i have never experienced anger with serzone. blind rage thanks to wellbutrin-THAT i know and will welcome the day that i forget the trash even exists. this weekend has been anger-producing because no matter how hard i've tried, every plan i've made for getting out of the goddamn house has fallen FLAT on its BUTTIMOOSE-still i don't think the anger i feel-which is more related to frustration-is serzone-related. would you who have suffered the serzone/anger syndrome fill me in a bit? it's possible that it may be going on w/o my noticing it though i know this is a reach.
> tx
> pcl
> god is a sockWhen I was on Klonopin--I wasn't angry but I certainly did speak my mind more vehemently. On Luvox, I felt out of control--totally wired. I've never done Serzone, though. I wonder if the anger is an extention of the wired feeling some SSRIs can give
brian
ps: god is a sock? Is that because god, like a sock supports the sole? Or is it because god, like my socks, is holy? Well, if god is a sock, I imagine its a very nice sock, like those over priced one's you see in the better men's clothing stores.
Posted by Noa on May 30, 2000, at 13:54:00
In reply to Re: serzone, anger, and sleep, posted by brian on May 29, 2000, at 0:54:10
or perhaps God has gone missing in the wash?
Seriously, tho, I don't think everyone has this reaction to Serzone we have described here. It is just good to be on the lookout for it just in case. But if you don't experience it, hey, shout some halleluyahs to the sock! You're one of the lucky ones.Isn't getting some sleep after having such difficulty with sleep such a good feeling? I think I may have "jinxed" it for myself, tho, because as soon as I started telling people how happy I am to be sleeping well, I had two very bad nights tossing and turning and waking up with a backache and feeling groggy. Oh well.
Posted by paul on May 30, 2000, at 23:53:20
In reply to Re: serzone, anger, and sleep, posted by Noa on May 30, 2000, at 13:54:00
after a few daze @ the elevated dose, i DO have to admit that i am more excitable, seem to ruminate more, and generally feel anxious. i'm lowering the dose to 450 and see what happenns. its also been a real pita of a weekend. every plan i made fell through, my friend with the snotty wife refuses to tell her to grow the hell up and show me some respect, -and i mean the REAL BASIC kind-and now that i realize that HE is the one to blame, i find myself losing all respect in him whatsoever. how hard is it to say to her, "look-the guy's a friend of mine! it wont kill you to treat him w/civility!". other friends have done this for me and usually i never even find out about it till years after the fact. i guess it's because some people, when faced with an emotionally-charged situation, FACE the situation instead of sticking their bloody heads into the sand like some pea-brained ostrich. the wife's a snotty ----- and i'll never change that. i already refuse to even show up over there because if there was EVER anyone who had NO DAMN RAISIN ATALL too look down her schnozz at anyone, it's this piece of work. overcoming adversity usually leads to carachter. her it lead straight into SNOOTY-VILLE. she amazed me with her relentless selfishness on our first meeting and it's never improved one damn bit. i've tried everything i know of to be nice to her. you might as well try and teach a brick wall to swim. the brick wall would at least sink to the bottom of the pool. that's kinda like swimmin' aint it??
if i had the choice i'd swat 'em both square across the snoot. at least in her case even a BLIND GUY couldn't miss. OY!!!!!!
pcl
Posted by Kellie on May 31, 2000, at 18:05:03
In reply to serzone, anger, and sleep, posted by paul on May 29, 2000, at 0:45:19
> of late i've read with interest all the posts re:serzone and anger. i've been on 400 mg/day all at night + 200 mg hydroxyzine+1mg clonazepam for sleep. since seeing the new shrink, who asked me to research risperdal/seroquel/zyprexa-which i will NOT touch-and having him suggest upping the dose to 500mg serzone, -which i willingly did-the hydroxyzine is no longer necessary and i've reduced the clonazepam by 25%-tonight it will be reduced by 50%. i sleep like a log for very extended periods which i dont mind ONE BIT. as i've suffered with a furschluginner sleep disorder for my entire life, sleeping 12 hours is a VERY welcome change. i have never experienced anger with serzone. blind rage thanks to wellbutrin-THAT i know and will welcome the day that i forget the trash even exists. this weekend has been anger-producing because no matter how hard i've tried, every plan i've made for getting out of the goddamn house has fallen FLAT on its BUTTIMOOSE-still i don't think the anger i feel-which is more related to frustration-is serzone-related. would you who have suffered the serzone/anger syndrome fill me in a bit? it's possible that it may be going on w/o my noticing it though i know this is a reach.
> tx
> pcl
> god is a sockI had intense anger and frustration for all of my life before getting on medication. Serzone basically put me to sleep, but I did notice that I had more frustration on it than on Paxil and Effexor. Also, I had more low-rage episodes (NOT like what I had without medication!), but at least I didn't break anything. A friend took me bowling and got me to visualize whatever was making me angry as the pins. It felt good to throw something that I didn't get in trouble for, too.
Kellie
Posted by MB on June 2, 2000, at 13:12:00
In reply to serzone, anger, and sleep, posted by paul on May 29, 2000, at 0:45:19
If you are switching to Serzone from an SSRI, be careful not to confuse side effexts of the Serzone with the withdrawl symptoms of the SSRI. I remember when I switched from Zoloft to Wellbutrin. Got these horrible dizzy feelings. Nasty. Doc thought it was the Wellbutrin, and put me back on Zoloft. A year later I decided to try getting off meds completely, and had the same dizzy feelings. They had been from withdrawl all along. Wellbutrin had been falsley accused.
This year, I've been using Paxil, and it has bacically worn out it's welcome. I've become a 15 lb. overweight sexless atomaton. Switching to Serzone (which is a little different from the pure SSRIs) I started behaving like a 2 year old: tantrums, rages, etc. One day I decided to pop a small 5mg portion of my Paxil. Woah...the rages subsided. My question is: "Was Serzone causing the rages, or was it a simple case of discontinuing the Paxil too rapidly?" Since then, I've tapered from the Paxil, while continuing the Serzone. No more rages. HAD nefazadone really been to blame? Possibly not.
Something to think about, at least.> of late i've read with interest all posts re:serzone and anger.
Posted by paul on June 3, 2000, at 0:12:59
In reply to Re: serzone, anger, and sleep, posted by MB on June 2, 2000, at 13:12:00
thanks for the reply, but i've been on sz for over two years. i'm sure paxil helps somebody but for me it was PURE hell. in my system the stuff is poisonous trasch.
pcl
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