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Posted by MichaelJr on November 16, 2005, at 12:24:27
ok maybe that is a little exaggeration.
When I miss 1 day of it, it is a very very painful feeling. I am craving the drug so bad. I dont sweat, its just that my body is so addicted to it. I can't really imagine a withdrawal from a drug like heroine could be all that much worse to be honest.
I am also really interested to see how I would do off the drug for a little bit. I am on 120mg now and have been on it for a year.
Even one day I took 80mg instead of 120mg and felt like absolute sh*t! Much worse depression than I felt before I was even on the meds.
I am 24 years old and dont feel that my sex life should be shot because of these damn drugs. Sex is really not that pleasurable for me now and it takes me a long time. Also I'd say I've lost about 60% of the feeling and sensitivity in that area.
Anyway, any tips?
Posted by Impermanence on November 24, 2005, at 20:21:20
In reply to geodon - worse then heroine?, posted by MichaelJr on November 16, 2005, at 12:24:27
I think you mean heroin mate, drop the e.
I have no experence with geodon Michael but I did with heroin, and it's not pretty. You could kill your mother for the stuff. Heroin is so addcitive because it activates many regions of the brain particularly the regions that are responsible for producing both the unbelievable sensation of reward and physical dependence. In the brain, heroin is converted to morphine and binds rapidly to opioid receptors, It causes an INCREDIBLE rush, followed by the most beautiful 'warm' comfort thats hard to put into words, it's like being inside your mothers woumb lol, so safe and warm, and of course itchy, but you enjoy the itch and the nausea is just like an annoying old friend. When the high, or should I say 'lovely low' lol starts to ware off you feel nice and drowsy for several hours.
When the pleasure of heroin reduces over time (months for heavey smokers) you can then move on to the needle and then you're talking a WHOLE new ball game as I spoke about above.
As I said Michael, heroin is serously addictive and is no schizophrenia treatment, but thats not to say you're are not truly suffering and in need of help. There must be some kind of substitute for you like Methadone is for heroin. In this day and age in the western world you should not have to suffer like that. Have you tried a few different benzos???My heart goes out to you man and you'll be in my prayers.
I'll tel you what, I'm gonna have a look around the web for something that can help you. Hang in there.
Posted by Impermanence on November 24, 2005, at 20:48:12
In reply to geodon - worse then heroine?, posted by MichaelJr on November 16, 2005, at 12:24:27
I mentioned getting some benzodiazepines in my last post, Klonopin or any other long acting ones. Out of what I've found so far this post from another board might be the most helpful as they've been in your situation. They also mention Klonopin.
"The best way to come off of this drug is to do it over a 3-4 week period by gradually reducing the daily dose, then for one week( week 3) take the lowest dose 3 times that week, then the last week, every third day, and then stop. stay on klonopin as a buffer, then do the same for klonopin when you are ready. Its hard to say what you should expect in symptoms on this regime, maybe nothing except a few days of feeling a little bit odd, or off, until your natural rhythyms return. Be careful about what you read, suggestion plays a big part in the experience."
Remember Michael, It's never easy comming of chemicals you've been taking for a while, you have to do it slowly, expect a few s*itty weeks and look forward to freedom. You can do it man. I'll keep looking out for more info. Good luck.
Posted by MichaelJr on December 9, 2005, at 1:27:04
In reply to geodon - worse then heroine?, posted by MichaelJr on November 16, 2005, at 12:24:27
Well I'm starting tonight but only taking 80mgs. I am in for a painful few weeks but hopefuilly it will be worth it.
Posted by MichaelJr on December 11, 2005, at 3:22:29
In reply to Re: geodon - worse then heroine?, posted by MichaelJr on December 9, 2005, at 1:27:04
Today is my second day but so far it is better than expected.
The part that really concerns me is that I am having problems with my speech. It takes me longer to get words out. Before Geodon I always had some problems talking to people and I am just hoping it will not be as severe when I do it this time. It really makes relating to people difficult when you have problems with your speech.
The upside so far is that my sex drive is much stonger. Also, when I wake up, even after only 6 hours of sleep or so, I am WIDE awake. On Geodon, even after 8 hours of sleep I would be tired and it would sometimes take me 3 hours to fully wake up. I dont think this will last, it just seems like my system was so used to being sedated by the Geodon that without it, its in complete overdrive. And this is only going from 120 to 80 mgs!
Also on Geodon, it was PAINFUL when I would get tired. It would be a really weird psychotic type feeling when it would be time for me to go to bed. Last night when I got tired it was so good. I just felt really relaxed.
I also drank last night which was probably a bad idea. Today I am pretty depressed. Part of it was the alcohol and part of it is the withdrawal. I just know I was on 60 mgs of Geodon before and not depressed, so since I am on 80 now I know its just the withdrawal and not my "symptoms" returning. Still if I feel this depressed after I am off geodon I will no choice but to start taking it again and I dont want that to happen.
Posted by MichaelJr on December 13, 2005, at 15:01:07
In reply to Re: geodon - worse then heroine?, posted by MichaelJr on December 11, 2005, at 3:22:29
Well I've been taking 80mg since Thursday night and Today is Tuesday and I really feel like sh*t. Better than yesterday, but Im really depressed, have very little energy, and dont feel like talking to anyone. Im going to skip therapy today since it would be a waste of time for me to be in there. And this is only down from 120mg to 80mg. I have about 8 days left of 80mg pills and then Im going to try to get down to 40mg. Not looking forward to it at all as this is really painful.
Posted by MichaelJr on December 15, 2005, at 13:39:09
In reply to Re: geodon - worse then heroine?, posted by MichaelJr on December 13, 2005, at 15:01:07
Well the past 2 days I have been somewhat back to normal. Still a little depressed, but now I am on 80mg and feeling somewhat stable. Those 2 bad days were horrible. But hopefully when I go down to 40mg it will just be 2 bad days, and then when I go to 0 it will just be 2 bad days. Definitely better than expected. I can deal with a couple bad days. However if it was a couple of weeks of feeling like sh*t then that would be horrible.
Posted by Jeroen on December 20, 2005, at 11:45:04
In reply to Re: geodon - worse then heroine?, posted by Impermanence on November 24, 2005, at 20:21:20
got it after 3 weeks, lowest dosage, dangerous drug sorry to say, get off it!!!!
Posted by MichaelJr on December 24, 2005, at 5:13:20
In reply to TARDIVE DYSKINESIA, posted by Jeroen on December 20, 2005, at 11:45:04
Gedon isnt a dangerous drug. In fact for me it was very helpful and the side effects were pretty low. I just did not want to continue living my life in a drugged state. The side effects were minimal compared to risperdol and zyprexa for me and it was also very effective in treating my symtoms.
Im not sure what tardivve dyskinsia is but I dont think Im having any symptoms of it.
Im kind of surprised at how little pain going off this drug has caused me. I had 2 pretty bad days the first time I went down. But I went down from 80mg and now Im at 40, and my mood has more or less been pretty stable. I definitely notice some added depression but it just seems that its due to coming off the drug. I was expecting a month of painful days but all I really had were 2 bad days.
Posted by TABOB on January 12, 2006, at 0:36:51
In reply to Re: TARDIVE DYSKINESIA, posted by MichaelJr on December 24, 2005, at 5:13:20
I would be VERY, VERY carsful with the geodon. I took 20s for only six days and had a heart attack.
Posted by ed_uk on January 14, 2006, at 12:26:55
In reply to Re: Geodon, posted by TABOB on January 12, 2006, at 0:36:51
Please tell us more.
Ed
Posted by TABob on January 14, 2006, at 15:45:47
In reply to Re: Geodon » TABOB, posted by ed_uk on January 14, 2006, at 12:26:55
> Please tell us more.
>
> Ed
Not too much to tell actually. Six days after I began taking Geodon 20s, I had a heart attack.
It occurred early Tuesday morning and I got immediate aid (was at hospital and diagnosed about one hour after first symptoms, then got immediate treatment.)
What leads me to believe it was the Geodon is the manner it was prescribed:
It was my first visit with the psychiatrist and of the 50-minute visit, about 30 were spent filling out forms, talking to the insurance company, etc.
I was interviewed for about 20 minutes and the psychiatrist made his determination based on that 20-minute period.On the web at :
http://www.healthsquare.com/newrx/GEO1590.HTM
I found, "In some people with heart problems or a slow heartbeat, Geodon can cause serious and potentially fatal heartbeat irregularities."
Posted by Jeroen on January 14, 2006, at 16:10:01
In reply to Re: Some more symptoms, posted by TABob on January 14, 2006, at 15:45:47
GEODON F*CKED MY SOCIAL LIFE UP, i took it 3 weeks and listening to shrinks who are the madness itself
i got TD from it, good you didnt take it 3 weeks or you would be dead by now, im sorry to say :(
Posted by Boogie on January 16, 2006, at 10:11:32
In reply to geodon - worse then heroine?, posted by MichaelJr on November 16, 2005, at 12:24:27
Dang, your doctor is tapering off the medication pretty fast. I am suffering from psychotic depression. I was on 200mg of geodon from like Dec. 2004 until November 2005 and tapered down to 180mg. It was only 20 mg but I felt a difference immediately. I couldn't sleep as good for a couple of days. I was also irritable. And until now, I get a little anxious about a half hour before I take my medicine. I think this just might be psychological though because when I'm busy and forget to take my medicine at the same time each day, I don't notice the anxiety. My doctor's gonna lower my dosage again in the spring. He's doing it pretty slowly.
Posted by Jeroen on January 16, 2006, at 11:51:32
In reply to Tapering off of geodon for psychotic depression., posted by Boogie on January 16, 2006, at 10:11:32
weird, i think this drug is made for americans and not for europeans. causes too much trouble
Posted by TABob on January 16, 2006, at 16:00:22
In reply to GEODON F*CKED MY SOCIAL LIFE UP, posted by Jeroen on January 14, 2006, at 16:10:01
What is TD?
Posted by Jeroen on January 16, 2006, at 16:53:52
In reply to Re: Some more symptoms, posted by TABob on January 16, 2006, at 16:00:22
something you get from neuroleptics, movement disorders, can be in your toe, eye, tongue, anywhere i guess
i have it in my eyes, but im taking a herb at this moment it taste like chicken s**t but i hope it will undo some damage the geodon did
Posted by TABOB on January 16, 2006, at 19:47:03
In reply to TABOB, posted by Jeroen on January 16, 2006, at 16:53:52
Jeroen,
This sounds somewhat like tourette's syndrome (which I have had since my late preteen years). It exhibits itself with similar symptoms: uncontrollable facial tics and the like. Severe cases cause people to bark out loud and perform strange and unnatural body movements.It is hereditary (my school-teacher son has a mild case as I do) and my research on it a number of years ago revealed only that it can only be somewhat controlled but not cured, but controlling it was in many respects worse than the actual tourettes.
I did learn over the course of several years how to redirect my facial tics to leg and toe wiggling, an excellent disguise and cover-up.
Or am I completely wrong in my comparision?
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