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Posted by krazybirdlady on November 25, 2003, at 23:57:37
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by Lindsay Rae on November 25, 2003, at 22:30:36
"" There are so many sting operations going on, it's just too risky."
i have to agree, it is a very dangerous road to be taking. i think that maybe his dosage is too high to think he can do this by himself. this kind of abuse has to be stopped for his own health. Stomach, liver and even kidney disease can develop. he is 27. too young for this. he has to seek treatment....
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 26, 2003, at 7:52:50
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by Lindsay Rae on November 25, 2003, at 22:48:27
Ok, I do know that he need's help. He got 20 loratabs on Sunday night. He started calling me yesterday from work (he is working right now) saying that he had to get more. I do think he is really tring to make them last. I do think he could do better then he is doing. He gets up at 6:00 AM and get's in the bed around 11:00 PM so I think that is why he is needed so many but. I won't this to stop. If I was to tell him your story about your bf dieing he would just say "I have to die of something." Or he would say "well when i leave for work I might be in a wreck so maybe i shoud not leave the house today." How do I find a Methadone clinic? I would email you But I did not see your email address. mandy
Posted by pixygoth on November 27, 2003, at 6:29:37
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 26, 2003, at 7:52:50
I know little about this, so I won't go on... BUT I hear that Methadone is more addictive than codeine/opiates. I know that that is really all they have in detox clinics or whatever, but just bear it in mind and research it... you don't want him addicted to methadone and then *also* going out to look for a buzz off something else.
Good luck and take care,
S
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 27, 2003, at 22:03:28
In reply to Re: do you all really want help?? » MOTHERNEEDHELP, posted by pixygoth on November 27, 2003, at 6:29:37
HE WENT TO JAIL TODAY FOR TRING TO BREAK IN A DRUG STORE SO UNLESS ANYBODY CAN HELP ME TAKE CARE OF MY KIDS AND PAY MY BILLS THEN I JUST GOING TO GIVE UP!!! IM TIRED AND VERY HURT THAT HE DID THIS TO ME ON THANKSGIVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Luxy on November 27, 2003, at 22:30:13
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 27, 2003, at 22:03:28
Motherneedhelp...Mandy,
Don't give up! You will get through this time. Family, friends, the government...there must be some way.
I'm so sorry for you...I wish you all the strength and courage you will need. Keep posting...it helps.xx
Luxy
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 27, 2003, at 22:42:36
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by Luxy on November 27, 2003, at 22:30:13
i'm sorry, but i am at the end of my rope. i've nothing left in me to give. i don't have anybody to help me and even if the goverment did offer some help it just would not be enough. I'm letting my child sleep with me so i can have something to hold on too tonite but ill just probably cry the night threw. this man needs help "yes" but tell my heart that. I need him I LOVE HIM. I feel that he is just gone and i'm empty inside. I want him here. I just don't know why i do
Posted by biogurl on November 27, 2003, at 22:56:07
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 27, 2003, at 22:42:36
You must keep in mind that something good can come out of his arrest. They may force him into rehab.
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 28, 2003, at 9:57:45
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by biogurl on November 27, 2003, at 22:56:07
I know that it will and i hope that it does. He is going in front of the judge at 5:00pm for bond, but I won't be getting him out. I think he is in a place where he can't get what he needs no more and no matter how much he fights them he still want get his way!!!!!
Posted by biogurl on November 28, 2003, at 13:12:47
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 28, 2003, at 9:57:45
I will have both of you in my thoughts. I hope he gets the help that he needs. In the end he will hopefully be thankful to you that you forced him to overcome his addiction by not bailing him out.
Posted by krazybirdlady on November 28, 2003, at 15:31:34
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 28, 2003, at 9:57:45
i am so very sorry to hear about your husband. i also think you are right to leave him there. he will be forced to clean up. my heart goes out to you. you will get through this. hold your children tight and remember that they are your main priority. stay strong and keep posting....
Posted by stjames on November 28, 2003, at 16:37:54
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by krazybirdlady on November 28, 2003, at 15:31:34
When he gets out of jail, tell him he either goes into treatment or you leave. And mean it.
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 28, 2003, at 21:27:55
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by stjames on November 28, 2003, at 16:37:54
Well, I gave in I went to his hearing today at 5:00 and he was a total mess. He said that he has not had nothing for almost 48hours and that he had alot of time to think. He says that he don't want no more pills. He says that he just wants to come home and be with his kids. So it will take every penny I have to get him tomorrow but I think I might be getting weak I won't to believe him
Posted by krazybirdlady on November 29, 2003, at 12:09:20
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 28, 2003, at 21:27:55
well, it is very hard to detach yourself from someone you love. we all keep thinking it can turn around. and maybe this episode scared him enough to do just that. maybe. at 48 hrs clean he is halfway through the physical withdrawl. and it will ease every day from here. but the phycological aspects are a very different thing. i hope for you that he has been traumatized enough to seriously try. good luck and God Bless...keep posting...it is your outlet...
Posted by Lindsay Rae on November 29, 2003, at 13:44:56
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by krazybirdlady on November 29, 2003, at 12:09:20
When Chris used to mess up, he would always tell me, "I meant it when I said it...it wasn't a lie." I believe your husband means what he is saying. However, it is difficult to stay away from those pills when they take away negative feelings and create a sense of wellbeing. Inform your husband that he's got a good shot at resuming normal brain function now, since he caught it early on. The longer the opiate receptors are coated with artificial opioids, the harder it is for those neurons to fire correctly again. That's the scientific part; the emotional part is the hardest, and that's why he should seek a counselor and Psychiatrist who can prescribe an antidepressant and work with him on why he feels he needs the pills to feel joy. I know where he's coming from because I myself became dependant on Darvocet, then Vicodin, then any opiate I could get my hands on just to be able to socialize.
Good luck to both of you! Email me if you want to ask any questions. Lindsay_Rae_8@hotmail.com
Sincerely,
Lindsay
Posted by stjames on November 30, 2003, at 22:32:34
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 28, 2003, at 21:27:55
Check out al-anon meetings. They can help you
deal with this & learn not to be an enabler in his drug use and other disfunctions.
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 1, 2003, at 10:57:02
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by stjames on November 30, 2003, at 22:32:34
Well hello, just to do a update and let all who has helped me threw this know that my husband went to jail on 11/27 and did not get to come home untill 11/29 which i know was not long. I was not going to get him out b/c i thought that he would get threw what he needed to get threw. However he talk me into getting him out by saying that he thought about it and that he was going to do better and that drugs was not going to a part of life anymore and even thow i did not trust him i got him out and i have to say that he went back to work today and still has not took a pill and still is saying that he does not want to let me down ever again. I still just not sure how it will end but i have to say i do hope that it will stay the way it is right now.
Posted by stjames on December 1, 2003, at 11:52:23
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 1, 2003, at 10:57:02
How about going to an al-anon meeting ?
Posted by krazybirdlady on December 2, 2003, at 13:51:46
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 1, 2003, at 10:57:02
i hope so too. he is trying...
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 3, 2003, at 9:40:58
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by krazybirdlady on December 2, 2003, at 13:51:46
He is doing really good but he does get sad sometimes i think b/c he just don't know how to cope w/ life anymore. He is used to the pills doing it all for him. I said before that he has back problems that is how the pills started. Well now he really is hurting, b/c all he has been taking is "over the counter" meds for pain which he is saying just is not helping much. H e wants to start back on the ultrcet. Does anybody think this would be a bad idea????
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 3, 2003, at 12:44:03
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by krazybirdlady on December 2, 2003, at 13:51:46
come on krazybirdlady i need you on this one.. what do you think?
Posted by krazybirdlady on December 4, 2003, at 13:19:51
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 3, 2003, at 12:44:03
sorry it took awhile, have been away. my opinion on the ultracet is ......oh my stars...NO!!!! yes he will be sad, and i am sorry about the pain, but he will only go back down the same road. he is just kidding himself. this is why people (addicts) can get physically clean but never overcome the addiction. Does he remember the events of the past month?? Best if he can be honest with his DR. and maybe try an anti-depressant. Absolutely no opiates. he blew up that bridge. also ask DR. about alternate pain meds... best of luck and stay strong....
Posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 6, 2003, at 10:24:26
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by krazybirdlady on December 4, 2003, at 13:19:51
WONDER WHY? I MEAN IT IS NOT A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE, RIGHT? DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING IN IT LIKE LORATAB HAS?
Posted by stjames on December 6, 2003, at 13:56:54
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 6, 2003, at 10:24:26
Cases of abuse and dependence on tramadol have been reported. Tramadol should not be used in opioid-dependent patients. Since tramadol can reinitiate physical dependence, ULTRACET is not recommended for patients with a tendency to drug abuse, a history of drug dependence, or chronically using opioids
Posted by krazybirdlady on December 6, 2003, at 14:45:56
In reply to Re: do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on December 6, 2003, at 10:24:26
ultrcet, (which isn't available in Canada) is tramadol. i had to look it up to be sure, but while tramadol isn't a narcotic, it can have the same dependance properties. people can and do become addicted to it. tell him to use it with caution if he must for the apin, but if it were me, i wouldn,t put myself at that kind of risk again.
Posted by Eddie Sylvano on December 8, 2003, at 11:18:19
In reply to do you all really want help??, posted by MOTHERNEEDHELP on November 22, 2003, at 16:15:32
> This is what I wonder alot.. My husband has been taking these pills for awile and I'm starting to think that he really likes them and that he does not want help.Does anyone else relate to this.
-------------I've mentioned this in several other threads, but it's worth mentioning again.
Why is it that we often find ourselves unable to control our actions? It's often blamed on a lack of "will." Will is based on the idea that our minds are special entities, above the laws constraining our physical body. According to this notion, everything we do is the result of a decision made in this special plane. We eat because we want to eat. We run in from the rain because we want to avoid getting wet. We decide what we do, and we have our own reasons for doing so. But why do we decide that these are good things to do? People accept the idea that our body gives us signals to do certain things (i.e, we're "hungry" so we eat. We're "cold" so we seek shelter), but we believe that these phenomenon are seperate from our ultimate desicion to act upon them.
In science, an idea is evaluated based on it's ability to most accurately predict things. If the idea of will were a scientific theory, we should expect that a person's behavior will unfold in accordance with his stated goals. This works most of the time, but I think everyone can agree that it doesn't happen all of the time. Our will isn't inviolate, as is evidenced by failed diets, affairs, and drug addiction. A defense of will in these cases would be that we "caved to temptation." We really wanted to do X, but Y just proved too tempting, so we changed our minds. It was our idea to do so.
Now, consider another theory. What if our thoughts were the result of the *same* process that defines our desires? We experience the intangible desire to eat that eclair, and our thoughts bubble up from the same desirous cauldron ("I'm going to eat that thing." ). In thinking about, say, a dog in the same circumstance, it's obvious that the dog follows these rules. Desire and thought (or lack of) are the same. The dog doesn't much ponder the ramifications of his act, unless he has been trained not to eat such food, in which case he will make sure no one is watching. By the same token, what is the difference between our own training to avoid temptation and the dog's? Ours is richer, with more social and personal associations of guilt, but is a reasonable parallel. Now consider ever simpler animals in such a situation. Could you train a cat to not eat it? A rodent? A fly? At some point, the desire is all that remains. Will obviously comes in gradations, then.
That we act to satisfy desires not of our own creation is the most telling clue that we do not indeed forge our own independant courses of action. We have desires, we become aware of them, and our past experience guides us in the value of satisfying them. Quite apart from being in control of what we want to do, we really only have the executive ability to decide what *not* to do, based on our experience, and even this is suspect, because our own thoughts are shaped by our desires, and thus contaminated from the start. It is only because of others (who present ideas *not* tainted by our personal desires) that we are able to do things against our desires, and this only because we also desire the approval and support of others. When our desires outweigh the desire of social rewards, the scale is tipped. Complicating things further, our brains don't think long-term in their desires, so it takes very strong social bias to ignore our immediate impulses. Given all this, you have a system that seeks rewards outside of our conscious control, and a control mechanism that is formed by the same system. Ultimately, what we experience as thought is just the result of this system seeking rewards and comparing the results of such actions as well as those of alternative actions. This is the experience of consciousness, and it works from the bottom up, not the top down. Will is merely a socially optimistic interpretation of this automatic process. This also points to the idea that the best enforcer of individual will is strong social pressure.
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