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Posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 14:35:19
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12318588
This is criminal -- right?
Corona virus is a virus. Not a protozoa.
Corona virus doesn't have reverse transcriptase activity.
Let's test nuclear weapons in the ground in the south pacific...
Let's do an observational study of cervical cancer...
Let's watch the leaders of NZ sell out their own people...
I guess they don't much want to be here, either.
Which is likely why the borders have been shut.
So they can't f*ck up this nation entirely and then expect to run away.
The minister of health is in the dog box or not or you know what it doesn't matter: They just keep paying him.
They just keep paying him.
They just keep paying him.
In 6 months he'll get more money.
They just keep paying him.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 14:42:48
In reply to anti malerials and anti retrovirals, posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 14:35:19
to be fair it is a protease inhibitor rather than an antiretroviral.
to be honest...
your family can provide 'informed consent' on your behalf.
we are big on that, in new zealand.
you know how it is, ventillate someone so they can't protest. get family signing consents.
i went to an ethics talk in Otago. it was zoom recorded or something. i guess so they could see how people were responding to the talk.
they wanted to change the law so that they could do experiments on people in dementia care facilities and the like.
the idea was that since these people could not provide informed consent their consent could be assumed or implicit. so... in other words... asssuming that people would consent if they could move, say, but since they couldn't move, we would assume that they agreed with us and with what we wanted to do with them -- right?
and of course people thought that under mob rule this is a good idea. people who are immobilised generally would of course agree to do whatever we want to do with them of course they would.
it was something about a law change...
i remember distinctly putting my hand up and saying 'at least let people opt out. like a living will. let people say they want to go down on teh record as not being experimented on when they are not in the position to give informed consent thanks very much'.
they didn't like introducing the possibility of 'opt off' when it came to experimenting on people.
the idea seems to be that you can find a tribal leader somewhere willing to sign off on or sign over consents for people to do anything they like to their people.
so, you know. that makes it easier to do experiments on maaori. just get one tribal leader to consent on behalf of all the people.
i think Richard Faull even said something about their brains being shpped after death, too. some brain bank in Boston...
Posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 14:45:01
In reply to Re: anti malerials and anti retrovirals, posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 14:42:48
it's about the death magic -- right?
Posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 15:10:05
In reply to Re: who wants to be a cleric?, posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 14:45:01
coffee coffee coffee macdonalds coffee macdonalds
says the news.
paid product placement?
paid new.
it'll be back to katmandu warehouse briscoes before we know it.
i guess that's the exercise in public health...
how much people choose badly because they are in the midst / grips of habit / addiction...
vs how much people choose badly.
will voluntarily adopt the same behaviors after some distance / objectivity.
it's interesting the difference in attitude. whether life was better under level 4 or 3.
of course life is best-est of all when you curl up and die -- right?
when you don't produce any intellectual works at all.
when you only spit back what other people gave you.
produce nothing.
talk to nothing.
if i isolate myself they'll come harvest my organs in the night -- right?
what am i supposed to think when you do the work and examiner reports come back and they... refuse to give you your degree.
i mean.. in what possible land is that okay?
acceptable?
i just don't understand how it can happen.
i mean... it's a sh*tty f*ck*ng degree that isn't acknowledged anyplace...
and that's the idea, i guess.
that medical student selection in nz said you had to successfully complete a degree in the minimum normal or standard time from a nz university...
and what is supposed to happen is that you go 'i took 2x as long as i was supposed to because...' grovel grovel bl*w j*bs all round... bl*w j*b for you, bl*w j*b for you, metaphorical bl*w j*b for you... and maybe they process yoru applicatino.
because they think you will make a nice marriage partner for their kid.
only they think i'm too old. but you aren't allowed to say that. so they just say no. no. you took too long.
but i didn't take too long. i did my work. on time. examiners passed it. surprise. do work. get it signed off. it's not supposed to be that f*ck*ng hard.
process the application.
but they don't. they don't process any of the applicatins.
they just pick the ones they want.
they pick the ones who will feed them antimalerials. who will ventillate them when tehy aren't paying attention. who will sign those informed consents away...
and why wouldn't you -- if you thought you could get away with it?
i mean... that's the purpose or meaning of life.
are we having fun yet?
Posted by rjlockhart37 on April 28, 2020, at 19:33:36
In reply to Re: anti malerials and anti retrovirals, posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 14:42:48
yeah there headed towards a vacinne rather than anti-malerial medications. Well, with the horrid state of deaths happening, obviosly a vacinne has to made. But i also heard thre trying to get rid of anti-malerials, and just use vacinne. We are living in history, i have never, ever seen anything like this before, the black plague, but that was not world wide but still it was a ugly illness that smelled like death.
there saying more virus may come back our, or you can get reinfected....never seen anything like this before, this is an event of all human civilization history
Posted by alexandra_k on April 28, 2020, at 22:34:18
In reply to Re: anti malerials and anti retrovirals, posted by rjlockhart37 on April 28, 2020, at 19:33:36
Plague is a bacteria. Yersinia Pestis. Can be treated with anti-bacterials. But there is a vaccination for that, apparently.
It must be really really hard to try and provide a single unified message that is appropriate for the entire country of the USA. When what is going on is very very different depending on where in the USA you are.
I mean... I understand that people in NY need hope. To see light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe to have a little faith in something. To feel like there was something they could do. To get that placebo effect really working in overdrive.
And a message to them can be mis-understood by a podiatrist working in Kentucky. For example.
Or a district health board approving hospital trials in New Zealand. Grr.
(To be fair I shall admit I do not know what I am talking about about in that last line / sentance or two -- but I have very very strong concerns)
I know there is a lot of hope for a vaccine. I don't know what to think / I don't know what I think.
To be honest I don't see anything at all where I am from.
Only what appears on my computer and claims to be news from around the world.
That is accessible to me. Right now. With the logins that I have access to.
It could be that this particular CoronaVirus just kind of peters out the way that Ebola did and MERS and previous SARS. I mean... I think they are still kicking around, a bit, but I don't think vaccination featured highly in their solution. I don't know.
I think people want to feel like there is a solution. An end. A vaccination will be developed and competently administered and that will be an end to it.
I do have respect for science. I am not an anti-vaccer. But I also know that it is true in fact that people have died in fact from being given vaccinations by people who are incompetent and inept. And I worry a lot about the potential for abuse when people seem to be working to sell out their people to the highest bidder rather than do what they can to protect them and acquire good things for them that will be genuinely helpful for them.
I do still wonder / worry how much this is part of the outcome of trade talks that have been going on over the last couple years.
I do hope that there is some plan or good will or good intent or something... Some competence... Somewhere... To help the world develop in good or positive directions. Actually. Not just in the name of while actually making things so very very very much worse.
I don't know what is going on with University negotiations or whatever it is in NZ right now. They are talking about how they don't have enough money. Of course the VC response to that is 'then everyone else must have pay cuts' and frightened academics who love their work in spite of everything voluteer their time... When they aren't cueing up for the food bank...
And the Government needs to step in and be like 'well, really, where does all the money go - then??' And of course it turns out that all these senior people are on hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars per year (for one of their three jobs).
And a problem is that they have been refusing to sign their graduate students (and likely undergraduate studnets of professional degree programs too) off in a timely fashion (without extorting additional fees) since, well, uh, since forever.
Relying on those second year undergraduates to run undergraduate tutorials and grade students work for close to minimum wage... For less than minimum wage when you look at how many hours of work they actually would be required to work to do the job (e.g., how many hours that batch of grading takes to grade properly -- were they to actually bother grading them properly, of course).
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