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Posted by schleprock on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:36
In reply to Re: The NRA, posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 21, 2012, at 21:14:09
> In Australia back in 2006, a mentaly deranged man enacted one of the worlds worst mass shootings at a small tourist town called Port Arthur.
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> In the aftermath, our (conservative, right wing) federal government passed laws that
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> *restricted assult rifles to the defence force and special police units. No more were allowed to be sold, and existing weapons were brought back by the government and destroyed
>
> *persons wanting a firearm had to prove legitimate need (ie, farmer, hunter etc)
>
> *target shooters could have ahdn guns, but they had to be stored in a gun safe at the gun club, they couldnt be taken home
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> *a person wanting a firearms licence had to be assessed by the police, producre references as to his good character, and there was a 28 day waiting period
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> The Prime Minister got a lot of flack from the far right, but he pusehd the laws through.
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> Since then, there hasnt been a mass shooting in Australia (we had had quite a few previously), also, gun related violence and suicides among young men have dropped dramaticly
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> I know America isnt Australia, but change can be effected if the will is there.America would rather encourage gun ownership and pass restrictions on mental derangement.
Posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:37
In reply to Re: The NRA, posted by schleprock on December 21, 2012, at 21:28:56
Just read on facebook that CT is one of 5 states to have no laws to hospitalize or treat a person who is suicidal or homicidal. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2012, at 18:11:26
In reply to The NRA, posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:34
I see Dr Bob is home. Phillipa
Posted by baseball55 on December 22, 2012, at 19:55:49
In reply to Re: The NRA » Phil, posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2012, at 18:11:26
Every one wants to shift the discussion from guns to mental illness, though there is no evidence shooter was mentally ill (except in the general sense that anyone who shoots a class full of little kids is deranged, almost by definition). But yesterday I saw in the paper something about wanting to establish a database of people with mental illness. Well that would include me and probably everyone on this board. And how many of us are violent or have even contemplated violence against anyone but ourselves? That scares me. As it is, I tell no one I work with about my depression and hospitalizations because of the stigma.
Posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 21:52:33
In reply to Re: The NRA, posted by baseball55 on December 22, 2012, at 19:55:49
The database was in the original post and yes it's scary.
Posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 21:59:13
In reply to Re: The NRA » Phil, posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2012, at 18:11:26
Looks like his sole purpose was to redirect my post to a place that no one will see it then left.
Doesn't hurt my feelings but it would be nice to have some consistency in moderation.
I guess it would be nice if Santa was real but that ain't happening either.
I'd have preferred that Lou's deathometer was moved to the trash but I guess it was med related in a warped fashion.
Merry Christmas P.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on December 22, 2012, at 22:06:10
In reply to The NRA, posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:34
That's a completely outrageous idea.
I'd be curious to know how one would "qualify" for that database.
The NRA is ri-dic-u-lous!I can't, for the life of me, imagine how it isn't more important that we address some VERY flawed gun policies.... Like assault rifles??? C'mon now?
Do you have to have a gun straight out of say Rambo or the A-team in order to protect yourself from home intruders (if that is your concern).
It's so freaking warped.
Ugh.... I can only hope common sense, statistics and facts will prevail.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on December 22, 2012, at 22:15:13
In reply to The NRA, posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:34
Posted by sleepygirl2 on December 22, 2012, at 22:17:59
In reply to I HATE the NRA (nm), posted by sleepygirl2 on December 22, 2012, at 22:15:13
Posted by sigismund on December 22, 2012, at 22:32:16
In reply to Re: The NRA, posted by sleepygirl2 on December 22, 2012, at 22:06:10
>I can only hope common sense, statistics and facts will prevail.
Not so fast.
Won't they suggest that teachers should be armed to protect their students?
Posted by sleepygirl2 on December 22, 2012, at 23:08:33
In reply to Re: The NRA, posted by sigismund on December 22, 2012, at 22:32:16
Of course, perfectly reasonable... ;-)
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12/21/10-reasons-why-arming-teachers-is-a-really-stupid-idea/
Posted by Phillipa on December 22, 2012, at 23:11:33
In reply to Re: The NRA » Phillipa, posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 21:59:13
Phil yup and Merry Christmas to you P
Posted by Jay_Original1 on December 23, 2012, at 3:28:35
In reply to The NRA, posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:34
Today is my b-day, so I guess I get to rant on a bit more. Some very undiscussed but very important things here...
First off, you are still far more likely to be killed by a 'sane' person than someone with a mental illness. Just having a gun (nevermind nine!) in your home increases the chances that it will likely be used on you (most murders are committed by someone you know) or by you on yourself. (suicide).
You know, here in supposedly 'gun free Canada', you can walk into a Wal-Mart, or a Canadian Tire, and buy ammo and a gun, and get the gun through a very simple registration system. Now, maybe not sub-machine guns, but high-powered rifles, some pistols, etc. Yet, for some reason, we have a very small amount of gun murders, per capita compared with our American friends. We both have kids who play the same violent video games, eat junk food and watch violent movies.
This is NOT to say Canada is a BETTER country, but that maybe the violent history entwined with culture is celebrated too much in America. Too much emphasis on "competition", "me", material things, and involvement in some military operations over the past and current century (Minus WWI and WW2). Simply..maybe a bit too much testosterone. :)
Just my 01.cent take..I mean no offense to anybody.
Jay
> I don't want to talk about guns yes or no. But I was just listening the the exec vp of the NRA saying how many people are walking among us and hearing voices?
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> And we need to have an active national database of the mentally ill.
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> I'm too exhausted to talk anymore. Thoughts?
Posted by Phil on December 23, 2012, at 12:29:41
In reply to Re: The NRA » Phil, posted by Jay_Original1 on December 23, 2012, at 3:28:35
Happy Birthday!!
Posted by sleepygirl2 on December 23, 2012, at 13:34:37
In reply to Re: The NRA » Phil, posted by Jay_Original1 on December 23, 2012, at 3:28:35
Posted by Phil on December 23, 2012, at 13:51:45
In reply to Happy Birthday Jay!! (nm), posted by sleepygirl2 on December 23, 2012, at 13:34:37
We love wars here in America.
Posted by sigismund on December 23, 2012, at 17:22:12
In reply to Our national anthem is a war song!, posted by Phil on December 23, 2012, at 13:51:45
I'm not sure which is your national anthem.
This?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa-q-ztyZZw
We changed from a dignified and paranoid 'God Save the Queen' with great lines like.....
O Lord our God arise
Scatter her enemies
And make them fall
Confound their politics
Frustrate their knavish tricks
On Thee our hopes we fix
God save us allTo a glorification of the landgrab anthem called Advance Australia Fair, one line of which is memorable.....
'Our land is girt by sea'.
Posted by Beckett on December 23, 2012, at 18:36:48
In reply to Re: Our national anthem is a war song! » Phil, posted by sigismund on December 23, 2012, at 17:22:12
Yes, that's it exactly. The White House approved version. I'm glad you're back sigi. It's been awhile since I've smiled like that.
Posted by Phil on December 24, 2012, at 10:41:26
In reply to Re: Our national anthem is a war song! » Phil, posted by sigismund on December 23, 2012, at 17:22:12
That's the best version of it and unlike most that sing it Hendrix could hit the high notes.
Posted by Phil on December 24, 2012, at 10:46:16
In reply to Re: Our national anthem is a war song! » Phil, posted by sigismund on December 23, 2012, at 17:22:12
some...
Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Posted by Phil on December 24, 2012, at 11:29:51
In reply to Re: Our national anthem is a war song! » sigismund, posted by Phil on December 24, 2012, at 10:46:16
Welcome to America, the home of the gun.
Posted by LostBoyinNC43 on December 24, 2012, at 12:28:25
In reply to The NRA, posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:34
I am an long-time NRA member. I support the NRA. I also support forced medicating of the severely mentally ill. I am also mentally ill myself, see a psychiatrist, take medications voluntarily. I have never been involuntarily committed nor have I ever had to deal with being force medicated. But I support the idea in severe cases of psychosis and bipolar and severe mood disorders.
Target shooting, hunting and reloading ammunition are very therapeutic for mental illness, btw. I am deer hunting as I type this. It has helped me greatly. If I heard voices or was involuntarily committed, I'd turn in my guns keeping my own safety in mind and give up my hobby. Until then, I will keep on keepin on.
Tell you another thing. Getting outdoors and doing some target shooting, doing some hunting or doing some reloading is a lot healthier and a lot better than sitting on your butt, posting endless drivel on mental illness forums.
Even if you are not 100% and most of you are not, forcing yourself to get off your duff, getting some exercise and doing something, doing ANYTHING, will help you. Posting on the Internet all day wont help your mental illness at all.
Eric AKA "LostBoyinNC"
Posted by LostBoyinNC43 on December 24, 2012, at 12:36:54
In reply to The NRA, posted by Phil on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:34
I can tell you this from personal experience, offline experience. The leftist, liberal stereotype of the average NRA member as being a r*dn*ck who drives a pickup truck and lives in a trailer is far from true. Many if not most of these NRA members are solidly middle class, many are upper middle class. Guns is a money sport. You have to have money to target shoot, to hunt on a regular basis, to collect guns.
Im around gun culture people regularly and I can tell you, many of them want us re-institutionalized. Many of these people want to go back to the days of the sixties and seventies when the chronically mentally ill were in state mental institutions long term. And these NRA people have the kind of money and political clout to possibly get it pushed through, politically.
Sad thing is, I hate to say, after being involved with psychiatry since late 97, I just about agree with them. So many people with severe mental illness live such awful lives left to their own. If there were medications that ACTUALLY WORKED as good as the drug companies claimed, it might be different. But unless they bring back ECT on a major scale and make ECT much more accessible and psychiatry opens it mind more and becomes more open to things like sleep medicine being adjunctive to psychopharmacology, I dont see things getting any better anytime soon.
Eric AKA "LostBoyinNC"
Posted by LostBoyinNC43 on December 24, 2012, at 12:42:15
In reply to Re: The NRA, posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 22, 2012, at 17:00:36
Adeleide, Australia is not America. America has private ownership of firearms built into its most basic and highest law of the land. The United States Constitution. Guns will never be banned here, despite what the anti-gunners claim.
What happened in Australia is irrelevant to the USA. This is the land of the free, the home of the brave. Guns are great and lots of crazy people have guns here. Thats the way it is and nothing is going to change it.
Eric AKA "LostBoyinNC"
> In Australia back in 2006, a mentaly deranged man enacted one of the worlds worst mass shootings at a small tourist town called Port Arthur.
>
> In the aftermath, our (conservative, right wing) federal government passed laws that
>
> *restricted assult rifles to the defence force and special police units. No more were allowed to be sold, and existing weapons were brought back by the government and destroyed
>
> *persons wanting a firearm had to prove legitimate need (ie, farmer, hunter etc)
>
> *target shooters could have ahdn guns, but they had to be stored in a gun safe at the gun club, they couldnt be taken home
>
> *a person wanting a firearms licence had to be assessed by the police, producre references as to his good character, and there was a 28 day waiting period
>
> The Prime Minister got a lot of flack from the far right, but he pusehd the laws through.
>
> Since then, there hasnt been a mass shooting in Australia (we had had quite a few previously), also, gun related violence and suicides among young men have dropped dramaticly
>
> I know America isnt Australia, but change can be effected if the will is there.
Posted by LostBoyinNC43 on December 24, 2012, at 12:57:58
In reply to Re: The NRA, posted by sleepygirl2 on December 22, 2012, at 22:06:10
Yes, I do. I have an AR-15 rifle and I take Zoloft and see a psychiatrist. I also have other rifles. I have no ideas about homicide or suicide or violence and use my AR-15 for target shooting and "just to have." It is my Constitutional right to buy and own one. Nobody will take it away from me.I know several deer hunters who take SSRIs. Many veterans who participate regularly in high power rifle competition shooting are simultaneously going thru psychiatric treatment for PTSD and/or TBI. They are peaceful as they can be and Ive been on firing ranges where probably half the guys there are ex military or ex or active duty law enforcement who have been diagnosed with something.
Yet they keep on truckin on...
Eric
> Do you have to have a gun straight out of say Rambo or the A-team in order to protect yourself from home intruders (if that is your concern).
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