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Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 4, 2011, at 9:55:04
I was at some sort of event outside. He was sitting on a gurney near some grassy field. His secret service agents were just wandering around talking leisurely on their cell phones. Some women handed him an infant which he kissed out of habit and she promptly went away. He was annoyed at the secret service. He said something like "you know, I went after some really big people! And they're just wandering around!". I said "I know, you're not kidding!".
I was wrapped in a blanket from head to toe. My husband was there. We were just hanging out around his gurney. He wasn't drawing a crowd.
Weird.......
Posted by floatingbridge on June 4, 2011, at 12:39:23
In reply to I had a dream about Barack Obama, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 4, 2011, at 9:55:04
I love that you dream.
I can't think of one witty comment.
It speaks volumes to me. My own volumes of course.
Wonder. Are you sympathetic to him as a president? And the gurney....
I adore the perfunctory infant kissing.
Poor guy. And then there's you.
Glad your hubby was with you.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 4, 2011, at 14:28:45
In reply to Re: I had a dream about Barack Obama » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 4, 2011, at 12:39:23
I'm dreaming lately. I think it was a sad dream.
I am sympathetic to Obama.
Though, using him for my own purposes here, in the dream he's someone who has tried to do the right thing, but it's put him in danger.
The gurney reminds me of a hospital visit.
Being vulnerable, but wanting protection, feeling helpless like an infant, wrapping myself up, feeling desperate, but passed off.
I suppose it's a loaded dream.
I either need therapy or to just wall it all off to attend to the perfunctory responsibilities of life.
Thanks for reading,
Posted by sigismund on June 4, 2011, at 14:37:30
In reply to Re: I had a dream about Barack Obama » floatingbridge, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 4, 2011, at 14:28:45
What's a gurney?
I have heard of them only in the context of capital punishment.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 4, 2011, at 15:49:30
In reply to Re: I had a dream about Barack Obama, posted by sigismund on June 4, 2011, at 14:37:30
It's a wheeled table for transporting patients
Posted by floatingbridge on June 4, 2011, at 18:03:25
In reply to Re: I had a dream about Barack Obama » floatingbridge, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 4, 2011, at 14:28:45
> I'm dreaming lately. I think it was a sad dream.
It feels sad with a traumatic back drop. To me.
> I am sympathetic to Obama.
> Though, using him for my own
purposes here, in the dream he's someone who has tried to do the right
thing, but it's put him in danger.Hmmm. What kind of danger? Vulnerable. A vulnerable president. That's a painful thought in itself.
> The gurney reminds me of a hospital visit.
Are those two related in any way? (I'm just thinking. I don't expect an answer.)
> Being vulnerable, but wanting protection, feeling helpless like an infant,
wrapping myself up, feeling desperate, but passed off.
> I suppose it's a loaded dream.
> I either need therapy or to just wall it all off to attend to the perfunctory
responsibilities of life.Imho, just about anyone needs therapy. It's awful work, though, imo, w/o guarantee. Then again, it was a dream and that makes it infinitely plastic. There is also no shame in walling things off.
People do it all the time. I feel it's very positive that you were not alone, and in fact w/very good company (besides your husband). I mean, if a super, non-drepressed, Nobel prize winning president who also happens to be the very first of African American heritage is
feeling a bit licked, well....
> Thanks for reading,
>I think dreams are amazing. I had one a few days ago that seemed to presage some painful (but good) stuff. But I am a magical thinker for better or worse.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 4, 2011, at 21:55:47
In reply to Re: I had a dream about Barack Obama, posted by floatingbridge on June 4, 2011, at 18:03:25
I could never hope to be close to that kind of character.
It could've been Buffy or whoever was dancing round my brain. It's the emotional tone of it that's clearest, and that's not very clear.
I feel lousy fb, but I blame myself for it. In fact I know a lot of it is my fault.
I will go to therapy next week and I'll talk to my Pdoc too.
I'm doing this shutting down thing I do.
Not helpful. I just hope they'll understand, help me make sense of things.
Thanks fb. You're very nice to me. :-)
Posted by floatingbridge on June 5, 2011, at 0:57:53
In reply to Tired » floatingbridge, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 4, 2011, at 21:55:47
I just really like you.
I didn't mean to imply that you were the same. But in the dream you shared a common experience. That's how I read it. You're not alone in your experience. And there's no shame, to my mind, of having a painful experience. There's lots to unpack in your dream or not. And world events, well, they can be grim and raw.
You can remind me of that sometime.
I'm glad you'll be talking to your therapist and pdoc. We need that.
I hope tonight brings you something different.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 5, 2011, at 12:24:05
In reply to Re: Tired » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 5, 2011, at 0:57:53
Last night....
I was part of a space mission. We were undertaking the long task of making it to other planets. We knew it would take years.
William shatner was involved somehow. He didn't have a toupee on. His hair was just very thin, lol.
I was also terrified of crossing a bridge. I was afraid of falling off of it. My mother was meeting with my father nearby and kept asking me what she should tell him, about whether he could come to live nearby. I said you are my parents, I am
your child. It is not my decision.
Space..... The final frontier!
Posted by floatingbridge on June 5, 2011, at 20:56:21
In reply to Capt. Kirk, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 5, 2011, at 12:24:05
Hey ya!
Do you ever jot these down? I haven't dreamt much for a few years. That I remember. In some ways that's merciful, but really, I think dreaming is part of healthy sleep--not to get techno here, but the latest word in my treatment is sleep disorder.
I met Mr. James T Kirk a few times. His hair was nothing like Trump's. It appeared very dense. It was remarkable, but only as a harmless vanity.
Seems to me your dreams are doing quite a bit of work--that's good. That's also why I said not dreaming is a mercy
:PThe bridge part seems like Hitchcock. To me.
And the parent part...well hooray for the character playing you for speaking her
mind!I will try and dream tonight.
You sound better today.
Sometimes my shrink will ask me the
standard how are you? We have had
some laughs over that, because, really, I say, it's me, remember? So alright is tentative.But I give him points for upholding standards of normalacy.
P.S. I'm on a tiny island in the Pacific. I don't think I want to come back. But if I run away, it's where Jurassic Park was
filmed. Pretty, umm, impressive terrain.There are wild chickens.
And long suspension foot bridges to cross....
I've only seen photos.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 6, 2011, at 12:21:17
In reply to Capt. Kirk, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 5, 2011, at 12:24:05
Hey, I did have a dream. Not very exciting. Kinda sad, but not colossally so.
My husband was telling me he wanted to raise goats, meaning, here's my calling, I'm starting my own business, no more commuting split-life.
I was happy and sad. I listened to him and knew I couldn't help him, plus I was
too old to have another child--somehow this was important to me, not him. I finally said that that was wonderful, but I didn't see how I could help him. He seemed o.k. but I felt...lost? In time?The rolling stones 'what a drag it is growing old'. Not that I am a Stones fan.
When I was a kid, the Beatles & the Stones were opposites, the way chocolate and vanilla are considered by some.The Stones wrote some good songs though. One time, I was at a (really) long
stoplight with my son. Someone with a majorly fine sound system was playing that song, 'you can't always get what you want'. My son sings it from memory now.It's become part of our negotiation
strategy. I can say, well you can't always get what you want....And he'll sing back, but if you try some times....
And if we're lucky, he'll be content for awhile.
Posted by sigismund on June 6, 2011, at 12:48:01
In reply to monday monday » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 6, 2011, at 12:21:17
Evidently you manage to sleep and to dream.
How do you manage it?
Posted by sigismund on June 6, 2011, at 12:52:26
In reply to Re: Capt. Kirk » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 5, 2011, at 20:56:21
Or not just you. Anyone.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 6, 2011, at 15:21:11
In reply to Re: monday monday » floatingbridge, posted by sigismund on June 6, 2011, at 12:48:01
> Evidently you manage to sleep and to dream.
Yes. I think sleepygirl might be
infectious. In a good way. Like how courtesy is said to be contagious. This was only one night so far. Stay tuned.>
> How do you manage it?This week's program is less emsam :( and 15mg Valium, 5mg at a time across about two hours before bed. Earbuds and the Jackie Gleason Orchestra. I still wake early, but it was much better last night. Let me count (you can't see my fingers). 7 hours. Oh, I forgot. Son had a nightmare. Having a child, well so far there are very rare nights of not being awakened, if not by him then some hyper-vigilance thing that kicked in.
But I went back to sleep.
I suspect the Valium of blurring my vision. This only happened previously on Lyrica. Temporary solution at best.
Are you not recalling any dreams? Even on your seven hour night?
Posted by sigismund on June 6, 2011, at 16:54:17
In reply to Re: monday monday » sigismund, posted by floatingbridge on June 6, 2011, at 15:21:11
A seven hour night is really good.
I get a few good hours. Maybe it's like I sleep 4 a night?
My hours are so eccentric. I'm up by 2am.
I always wonder what it was that disturbed my sleep....tea, chocolate, curcumin, black tea theflavins, maybe agomelatine is worse than useless, what else?
Posted by sigismund on June 6, 2011, at 16:54:45
In reply to Re: monday monday » sigismund, posted by floatingbridge on June 6, 2011, at 15:21:11
Or age
Posted by floatingbridge on June 6, 2011, at 17:09:03
In reply to Re: monday monday, posted by sigismund on June 6, 2011, at 16:54:45
Age definitely has an affect. I don't know if anyone knows why.
I thought I caught a post of yours that mentioned a seven hour stretch.
Cucurmin? Sigh. Anti-inflammatories are the treatment for fibromyalgia and just about everything these days.
I hope my forays into herbs will not be as mysterious or arduous as meds :(
Posted by floatingbridge on June 6, 2011, at 17:29:21
In reply to Re: monday monday, posted by sigismund on June 6, 2011, at 16:54:45
Age definitely has an affect. I don't know if anyone knows why.
I thought I caught a post of yours that mentioned a seven hour stretch.
Cucurmin? Sigh. Anti-inflammatories are the treatment for fibromyalgia and just about everything these days.
I hope my forays into herbs will not be as mysterious or arduous as meds :(
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 6, 2011, at 19:33:35
In reply to monday monday » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 6, 2011, at 12:21:17
I wonder why goats.
I feel like crap, but I have to just ride it out. At least I hope it'll go!!
I like the rolling stones. 19th nervous breakdown speaks to me in particular. ;-)
I'm sorry you're sad. :-(
(((fb)))
Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 6, 2011, at 19:35:13
In reply to Re: Capt. Kirk » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 5, 2011, at 20:56:21
Sound like a nice island. I hope you enjoy it :-)
Posted by floatingbridge on June 7, 2011, at 0:30:38
In reply to Re: Capt. Kirk » floatingbridge, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 6, 2011, at 19:35:13
Hey! I'm going to try for another dream tonight. Even though they seem to bring about some sort of unpleasantness the next day.
And sadness is part of the weft of life. Just is. Imo.
You'll ride it out. It is tiring imo, but worthwhile.
A funny sign today in a shop that made me laugh after today's panic attack:
Getting to work on time only makes the day longer.
Posted by sigismund on June 7, 2011, at 19:35:26
In reply to Re: Capt. Kirk » sleepygirl2, posted by floatingbridge on June 7, 2011, at 0:30:38
I'd post a link but I can't find it. This is from a professor of psychology in Sydney who came from Hungary as a young man. I found the concluding remarks of the article particularly interesting. This is just the end.
When Forgas returns to his native Hungary, he is instantly struck by how negative everyone is. It is a country with a sad history and even the national anthem "is a downbeat dirge of complaint about how we have been suffering and everyone has been beating us up, and God help us have a better tomorrow". Hungarians abroad often refer to their homeland as szegeny kis orzag.....that poor little country.
The people in Hungary are so paralysed by their gloom, Gorgas says, they are unable to do anything to overcome the corruption and bad governance that plague them. They are resigned to their fate. Australians, he says, are much more positive and would be likely to do something to initiate change. 'It seems to me that one of the critical things you need in a democracy is people who believe in themselves as individuals."
But the conversations he has in Hungary are on a much deeper level than those he generally has in Australia. "They tend to be much more intense, more probing, much more personal," he says. "In some ways you feel that the people you are interacting with are much more involved with you." The other place he has encountered this is Israel.
Australians, Forgas adds, are very easy going, and the Australian culture is a great culture in all sorts of ways - but "personal depth may not be one of its features."
Posted by floatingbridge on June 7, 2011, at 22:14:15
In reply to Re: Capt. Kirk, posted by sigismund on June 7, 2011, at 19:35:26
Well, sigi, I am 1/4 Hungarian.
Here on Kaua'i, in my brief experience, I see alot of what I call open faces. People are not rushing. Personally, in my head, I call it aloha time.
I'm on the north coast which is reputedly 'slower' than the south. Some people say that there is nothing to do. Of course, I have my little phone to play with, but other than that, it suits me fine.
People stop and talk. Granted, the majority of my interactions are with tourists or relocated mainlanders.
People hitchhike, and it isn't scary. Unless it was my teenage son doing the thumbing.
My working theory is based on density. So many less people. What a relief.
Some of the local islanders I've met seem to share a sense of calm. Of course they may carry more weight of living with them. They are, of course, working, raising children.
I did have an unpleasant toned conversation in a hot tub with a relocated mainlander. She criticized the schools, called this Kaua'i a third world country. In her mouth those words seemed pejorative. I don't know why She was here except as a hedonist exhile. Whatever that means. Obviously she rubbed me the wrong way. She seemed immune to the charm of courtesy that is apparent in the driving habits here, such as signs that suggest how to share a one lane bridge on a two lane road.
Or that the official highway speed posted is 40 miles per hour.
Posted by sigismund on June 8, 2011, at 0:07:32
In reply to Re: Capt. Kirk » sigismund, posted by floatingbridge on June 7, 2011, at 22:14:15
>called this Kaua'i a third world country
How very first world of her.
I feel so much better in third world countries.
VS Naipaul would say that that is because I am 'slumming', but I think it is because the people are nicer.
They have fewer illusions to begin with.
In Kathmandu I always made a point of asking the people I had spent any time with how they voted.
One of the American college kids was saying wide eyeed to her teacher in the coffee shop at breakfast 'And they have TWO communist parties?'
To which you long to reply 'All the better to eat you with, my dear.'
The Marxist-Leninists (as opposed to the Maoists)were centrist and respectable trade unionists.So you can use one of those mobile phone thingos?
I used one the other day but didn't know how to turn it off.
Eventually I will have to learn as they reduce public services still further.
But there are so few people I wish to speak to (present company excepted, of course). I could always learn to do without. (Sig has gone into silence.)
I did remember your Hungarian ancestry.
I'm fond of lost causes.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 8, 2011, at 3:13:47
In reply to Re: Capt. Kirk, posted by sigismund on June 8, 2011, at 0:07:32
I use my phone for email. I can use this one, but not to it's capacity. I am presently computerless. Hence the many accidental double posts. I'm still not sure how that happens. I've moved past mortification.
There are few public phones where I live.
I don't really enjoy telephone
conversations.I haven't read VS Naipaul. I would hope some of the 'slumming' could be compensated for by good will and willingness to respect local customs. I can't help the mixed blessing of being born where I was.
You probably know I haven't traveled much at all. I am very naive and provincial. I learned pretty quickly to stop asking the names of trees and birds within the first hour of arrival. No one that I asked knew.
The birds here are different. Frogs everywhere. A gecko found it's way into my hair. I didn't mind. They bark at night to each other.
I thought I'd have trouble sleeping, but now I think I can.
I hope you get some decent sleep sigi. You didn't mean you were going into silence soon, did you?
Sweeter dreams to you, too, sleepygirl.
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