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Re: expression

Posted by sdb on December 7, 2008, at 3:53:13

In reply to Re: expression, posted by sdb on December 7, 2008, at 3:14:42

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In art, for example music, there are many genius said or known to have or had a special sexual orientation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sviatoslav Richter was homosexual, Nathan Milstein was said to be too. Glenn Gould was attributed as an asexual but that's not for sure in contrast to his drug addiction.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sviatoslav Richter playing Schumann's Toccata
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Au_TBsyRAA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Richter seems to have a personal glasses remover before a difficult passage...)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Gould plays Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB76jxBq_gQ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The dog seems to be tired of music...:-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach BWV 1004 Chaconne Nathan Milstein Violin - Part 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach BWV 1004 Chaconne Nathan Milstein Violin - Part 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEFedswEX0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (very nice spectatrice / spectateur)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not know that there is so much stuff on the internet, I have never seen or heard about before. Schumann was a bipolar sufferer, Beethoven had various problems but that is far away.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beside that Richter was homosexual, a deep thinker, an unfortunately depressive especially in the later years, he was a great painter and devoted his life to music nothing else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > archived stuff:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter plays Schumann - Faschingsschwank aus Wien
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVKT_VbN0Ko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beethoven - Sonata No. 32 in C minor, 1st movt - Richter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulvJU85U_gA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach - Concerto no 1 in re minor - 1st mov - Richter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k97KeRiRxxg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter plays Chopin Étude Op.25 No.11
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fym7EOV5f1A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter Plays Debussy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1NHoeYfXHI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll bookmark this for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not entirely sure have heard other things but his father was killed in Russia because he was German, yes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://music.barnesandnoble.com/features/interview.asp?NID=130686&z=y
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen this:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTt7bqEkJC0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (take care tsunami waves)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > galerie d'images:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.richtercompetition.com/en_richter32.html:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould and drug addiction:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6v-AtqCiQw
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould plays contrapunctus no. 1 by J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyNy4EJsZqY
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould speaks about the art of the fugue, Albert Schweitzer, R. Wagner, expanding universe...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlCgz4wbreM
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould, y. menuhin BWV 1017, Allegro by J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFMKCUuGh5o
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yehudi Menuhin about Glenn Gould
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSJX-RR9r3A
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, M. Rostropovich Beethoven Cello Sonata no. 5 p3; great interpretation and a kiss at the end...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4B0ef5MZc0
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, the russian propaganda film, Hа здоровье, ok russian does not work, Na Sdarówje
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8461174019613201110
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, enigma Part. 1 (Schubert at introduction)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7977788071425317946
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, enigma Part. 2
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6317314286098314769
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > <nothing to do with the topic>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bachakademie.de/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > Gloria... J.S.Bach, conducted by Helmuth Rilling
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apaltyluT4
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > "aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu Dir" cantata BWV 72, J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4534525329823961078&q=g%C3%A4chinger&total=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > Hallelujah,... G.F. Handel
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-DNfQYqEo
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > oregon festival, blabla
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNdfPfktVY
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould's approach to a cantata
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfA4zyHcIPo
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > another style, especially "dear old stockholm", very nice! ; Miles Davis, Chicago Illinois
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_EluiKjI-c
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > bodybuilders can play piano also
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SKNl_Gk_xY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > belongs to the topic,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ST. Richter, Debussy in Tokyo, the last part of the recital
> > > > > > > > (Many flowers from friendly people, marvelous Debussy by Richter)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I556Z2MmJy8
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kyoto:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kishimi/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > flowers, shapes, intense colors
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > citation of the day:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am the owner of a brain. But I am not only the owner of a brain. Because my brain's capacity is very limited its partly outsourced,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > another topic:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The art is Italy's nature...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2035/2260783561_5c12cb5053_o.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/orianaitaly/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <nothing to do with the topic>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli was a medical student, a jet fighter pilot and a pianist. Among other things especially the scarlatti is beautiful played:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQekzXtZwI
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michelangeli was racing car driver and a hypochondriac too. Didn't know this:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Michelangeli-Arturo-Bendedetti.htm
> > > >
> > > > ------------------
> > > >
> > > > nothing to do with the topic,
> > > >
> > > > somebody wants to travel in to the universe with Bach. Some Bach is really traveling in a satellite on a disk.
> > > >
> > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3555107488319611197&q=credo+rilling&ei=RsNWSMCGDJzG2wKw7ZmADw
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > one of my favourite sonatas from Beethoven, last part (fugue)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgVM9ryoK8g
> > >
> >
> > i don't like mozart always but this for example is beautiful:
> >
> > london rectial, Mozart (richter)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq0CgV4guKk
> >
> > melancholic chopin
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lMVa5LLyY
> >
> > one of my favourite chopin
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZ_7pzXne4
> >
> > some faster pieces
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D-Bqo10oF4
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztxKDszzoK0
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_hwAg4Ey-E
>
> ---------------------
>
> Claudio Monteverdi, Cremona
>
> Monteverdi: Lasciatemi morire
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgmgdokit48&feature=related
>
>
> Monteverdi: Lamento della Ninfa
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8CZUXv0B4Y&feature=related

arvo pärt: magnificat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbxnnC22gwY&feature=related

 

Re: expression

Posted by sdb on February 7, 2009, at 14:14:47

In reply to Re: expression, posted by sdb on December 7, 2008, at 3:53:13

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In art, for example music, there are many genius said or known to have or had a special sexual orientation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sviatoslav Richter was homosexual, Nathan Milstein was said to be too. Glenn Gould was attributed as an asexual but that's not for sure in contrast to his drug addiction.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sviatoslav Richter playing Schumann's Toccata
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Au_TBsyRAA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Richter seems to have a personal glasses remover before a difficult passage...)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Gould plays Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB76jxBq_gQ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The dog seems to be tired of music...:-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach BWV 1004 Chaconne Nathan Milstein Violin - Part 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach BWV 1004 Chaconne Nathan Milstein Violin - Part 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEFedswEX0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (very nice spectatrice / spectateur)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not know that there is so much stuff on the internet, I have never seen or heard about before. Schumann was a bipolar sufferer, Beethoven had various problems but that is far away.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beside that Richter was homosexual, a deep thinker, an unfortunately depressive especially in the later years, he was a great painter and devoted his life to music nothing else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > archived stuff:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter plays Schumann - Faschingsschwank aus Wien
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVKT_VbN0Ko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beethoven - Sonata No. 32 in C minor, 1st movt - Richter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulvJU85U_gA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach - Concerto no 1 in re minor - 1st mov - Richter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k97KeRiRxxg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter plays Chopin Étude Op.25 No.11
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fym7EOV5f1A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter Plays Debussy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1NHoeYfXHI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll bookmark this for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not entirely sure have heard other things but his father was killed in Russia because he was German, yes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://music.barnesandnoble.com/features/interview.asp?NID=130686&z=y
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen this:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTt7bqEkJC0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (take care tsunami waves)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > galerie d'images:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.richtercompetition.com/en_richter32.html:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould and drug addiction:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6v-AtqCiQw
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould plays contrapunctus no. 1 by J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyNy4EJsZqY
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould speaks about the art of the fugue, Albert Schweitzer, R. Wagner, expanding universe...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlCgz4wbreM
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould, y. menuhin BWV 1017, Allegro by J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFMKCUuGh5o
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yehudi Menuhin about Glenn Gould
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSJX-RR9r3A
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, M. Rostropovich Beethoven Cello Sonata no. 5 p3; great interpretation and a kiss at the end...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4B0ef5MZc0
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, the russian propaganda film, H&#1072; &#1079;&#1076;&#1086;&#1088;&#1086;&#1074;&#1100;&#1077;, ok russian does not work, Na Sdarówje
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8461174019613201110
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, enigma Part. 1 (Schubert at introduction)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7977788071425317946
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, enigma Part. 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6317314286098314769
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <nothing to do with the topic>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bachakademie.de/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gloria... J.S.Bach, conducted by Helmuth Rilling
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apaltyluT4
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > > "aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu Dir" cantata BWV 72, J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4534525329823961078&q=g%C3%A4chinger&total=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hallelujah,... G.F. Handel
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-DNfQYqEo
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > oregon festival, blabla
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNdfPfktVY
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould's approach to a cantata
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfA4zyHcIPo
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --------------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > another style, especially "dear old stockholm", very nice! ; Miles Davis, Chicago Illinois
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_EluiKjI-c
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > bodybuilders can play piano also
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SKNl_Gk_xY
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > belongs to the topic,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, Debussy in Tokyo, the last part of the recital
> > > > > > > > > (Many flowers from friendly people, marvelous Debussy by Richter)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I556Z2MmJy8
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kyoto:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kishimi/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > flowers, shapes, intense colors
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > citation of the day:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am the owner of a brain. But I am not only the owner of a brain. Because my brain's capacity is very limited its partly outsourced,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > another topic:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The art is Italy's nature...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2035/2260783561_5c12cb5053_o.jpg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/orianaitaly/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <nothing to do with the topic>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli was a medical student, a jet fighter pilot and a pianist. Among other things especially the scarlatti is beautiful played:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQekzXtZwI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michelangeli was racing car driver and a hypochondriac too. Didn't know this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Michelangeli-Arturo-Bendedetti.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > nothing to do with the topic,
> > > > >
> > > > > somebody wants to travel in to the universe with Bach. Some Bach is really traveling in a satellite on a disk.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3555107488319611197&q=credo+rilling&ei=RsNWSMCGDJzG2wKw7ZmADw
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > one of my favourite sonatas from Beethoven, last part (fugue)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgVM9ryoK8g
> > > >
> > >
> > > i don't like mozart always but this for example is beautiful:
> > >
> > > london rectial, Mozart (richter)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq0CgV4guKk
> > >
> > > melancholic chopin
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lMVa5LLyY
> > >
> > > one of my favourite chopin
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZ_7pzXne4
> > >
> > > some faster pieces
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D-Bqo10oF4
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztxKDszzoK0
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_hwAg4Ey-E
> >
> > ---------------------
> >
> > Claudio Monteverdi, Cremona
> >
> > Monteverdi: Lasciatemi morire
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgmgdokit48&feature=related
> >
> >
> > Monteverdi: Lamento della Ninfa
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8CZUXv0B4Y&feature=related
>
> arvo pärt: magnificat
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbxnnC22gwY&feature=related
>

"the farther we get from Bach the more valuable he becomes, the present civilization moving towards total irreverence, lack of meditation, violence, every kind of noise, brutality, assault on the senses, assault on nature, assault on the human being, I think that Bach's music shortly becomes on its own an antidote and inspiration"

Yehudi Menuhin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yKG40sDFew

 

Re: expression

Posted by sdb on October 19, 2009, at 16:34:36

In reply to Re: expression, posted by sdb on February 7, 2009, at 14:14:47

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In art, for example music, there are many genius said or known to have or had a special sexual orientation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sviatoslav Richter was homosexual, Nathan Milstein was said to be too. Glenn Gould was attributed as an asexual but that's not for sure in contrast to his drug addiction.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sviatoslav Richter playing Schumann's Toccata
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Au_TBsyRAA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Richter seems to have a personal glasses remover before a difficult passage...)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Gould plays Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB76jxBq_gQ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (The dog seems to be tired of music...:-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach BWV 1004 Chaconne Nathan Milstein Violin - Part 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach BWV 1004 Chaconne Nathan Milstein Violin - Part 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEFedswEX0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (very nice spectatrice / spectateur)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did not know that there is so much stuff on the internet, I have never seen or heard about before. Schumann was a bipolar sufferer, Beethoven had various problems but that is far away.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beside that Richter was homosexual, a deep thinker, an unfortunately depressive especially in the later years, he was a great painter and devoted his life to music nothing else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > archived stuff:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter plays Schumann - Faschingsschwank aus Wien
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVKT_VbN0Ko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beethoven - Sonata No. 32 in C minor, 1st movt - Richter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulvJU85U_gA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bach - Concerto no 1 in re minor - 1st mov - Richter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k97KeRiRxxg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter plays Chopin Étude Op.25 No.11
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fym7EOV5f1A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richter Plays Debussy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1NHoeYfXHI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll bookmark this for me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not entirely sure have heard other things but his father was killed in Russia because he was German, yes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://music.barnesandnoble.com/features/interview.asp?NID=130686&z=y
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never seen this:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTt7bqEkJC0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (take care tsunami waves)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > galerie d'images:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.richtercompetition.com/en_richter32.html:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould and drug addiction:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6v-AtqCiQw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould plays contrapunctus no. 1 by J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyNy4EJsZqY
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould speaks about the art of the fugue, Albert Schweitzer, R. Wagner, expanding universe...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlCgz4wbreM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould, y. menuhin BWV 1017, Allegro by J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFMKCUuGh5o
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yehudi Menuhin about Glenn Gould
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSJX-RR9r3A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, M. Rostropovich Beethoven Cello Sonata no. 5 p3; great interpretation and a kiss at the end...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4B0ef5MZc0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, the russian propaganda film, H&#1072; &#1079;&#1076;&#1086;&#1088;&#1086;&#1074;&#1100;&#1077;, ok russian does not work, Na Sdarówje
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8461174019613201110
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, enigma Part. 1 (Schubert at introduction)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7977788071425317946
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, enigma Part. 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6317314286098314769
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <nothing to do with the topic>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bachakademie.de/
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gloria... J.S.Bach, conducted by Helmuth Rilling
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apaltyluT4
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu Dir" cantata BWV 72, J.S. Bach
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4534525329823961078&q=g%C3%A4chinger&total=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bachakademie stuttgart
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hallelujah,... G.F. Handel
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4-DNfQYqEo
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > oregon festival, blabla
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WNdfPfktVY
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > glenn gould's approach to a cantata
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfA4zyHcIPo
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --------------
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > another style, especially "dear old stockholm", very nice! ; Miles Davis, Chicago Illinois
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_EluiKjI-c
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > bodybuilders can play piano also
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SKNl_Gk_xY
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > belongs to the topic,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ST. Richter, Debussy in Tokyo, the last part of the recital
> > > > > > > > > > (Many flowers from friendly people, marvelous Debussy by Richter)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I556Z2MmJy8
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kyoto:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kishimi/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > flowers, shapes, intense colors
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > citation of the day:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am the owner of a brain. But I am not only the owner of a brain. Because my brain's capacity is very limited its partly outsourced,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > sdb
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > another topic:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The art is Italy's nature...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2035/2260783561_5c12cb5053_o.jpg
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/orianaitaly/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <nothing to do with the topic>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli was a medical student, a jet fighter pilot and a pianist. Among other things especially the scarlatti is beautiful played:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQekzXtZwI
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michelangeli was racing car driver and a hypochondriac too. Didn't know this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Michelangeli-Arturo-Bendedetti.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > nothing to do with the topic,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > somebody wants to travel in to the universe with Bach. Some Bach is really traveling in a satellite on a disk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3555107488319611197&q=credo+rilling&ei=RsNWSMCGDJzG2wKw7ZmADw
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > one of my favourite sonatas from Beethoven, last part (fugue)
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgVM9ryoK8g
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > i don't like mozart always but this for example is beautiful:
> > > >
> > > > london rectial, Mozart (richter)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq0CgV4guKk
> > > >
> > > > melancholic chopin
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lMVa5LLyY
> > > >
> > > > one of my favourite chopin
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZ_7pzXne4
> > > >
> > > > some faster pieces
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D-Bqo10oF4
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztxKDszzoK0
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_hwAg4Ey-E
> > >
> > > ---------------------
> > >
> > > Claudio Monteverdi, Cremona
> > >
> > > Monteverdi: Lasciatemi morire
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgmgdokit48&feature=related
> > >
> > >
> > > Monteverdi: Lamento della Ninfa
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8CZUXv0B4Y&feature=related
> >
> > arvo pärt: magnificat
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbxnnC22gwY&feature=related
> >
>
> "the farther we get from Bach the more valuable he becomes, the present civilization moving towards total irreverence, lack of meditation, violence, every kind of noise, brutality, assault on the senses, assault on nature, assault on the human being, I think that Bach's music shortly becomes on its own an antidote and inspiration"
>
> Yehudi Menuhin
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yKG40sDFew
>

I have never heard or seen this Haydn sonata before. Very beautiful:

Haydn XVI 44, S. Richter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3LmXVFxbI

 

Wonderful thread

Posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2009, at 17:40:55

In reply to Re: expression, posted by sdb on October 19, 2009, at 16:34:36

Hey sdb

Thanks for reminding me about that thread.......everything I miss about Babble is in it.

Unfortunately my connection is too slow to pick up the Haydn

 

Re: Wonderful thread to Sigismund

Posted by sdb on October 25, 2009, at 7:23:17

In reply to Wonderful thread, posted by Sigismund on October 20, 2009, at 17:40:55

> Hey sdb
>
> Thanks for reminding me about that thread.......everything I miss about Babble is in it.
>
> Unfortunately my connection is too slow to pick up the Haydn

Thanks for your lovely words. The thread is not a masterpiece but the music and the art is. I am an admirer of artistry. It can make the life more intense, exciting in many aspects nevertheless the art has to do with suffering, tragedy also.

 

Eno » sdb

Posted by Sigismund on October 27, 2009, at 17:32:34

In reply to Re: Wonderful thread to Sigismund, posted by sdb on October 25, 2009, at 7:23:17

In the morning my connection is faster. That was lovely and understated. I like minor keys.

Do you know this?
(I expect you do.)

Nice squeezy sounds at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitVQuOBuLc
I have listened to it much too much.
The lyrics are fun.


Backwater
We're sailing at the edges of time
Backwater
We're drifting at the waterline
Oh we're floating in the coastal waters
You and me and the porter's daughters
Ooh what you do not a sausage can do
And the shorter of the porter's daughters
Dips her hand in the deadly waters
Ooh what to do in a tiny canoe
Black water
There were six of us but now we are five
We're all talking
To keep the conversation alive
There was a senator from Ecuador
Who talked about a meteor
That crashed on a hill in the South of Peru
And was found by a conquistador
Who took it to the Emperor
And he passed it on to a Turkish Guru.
His daughter
Was slated for becoming divine
He taught her
He taught her how to split and define
But if you study the logistics
And heuristics of the mystics
You will find that their minds rarely groove in a line
So it's much more realistic
To abandon such ballistics
And resign to be trapped on a leaf in a vine.

 

Re: expression

Posted by Fivefires on November 2, 2009, at 17:02:16

In reply to Re: expression, posted by sdb on October 19, 2009, at 16:34:36

I'm glad I just barged into the past here ...

It felt like i happened upon the perfect place ...

silly but i wanna' take advantage of my need, for who know me, im still in the race,

and need you to know my face at Anna

Nimmis .. silly twit*er place ...

The fine line gets closer but harder to see.

the beauty just made my day complete

tks, 5f

 

Re: Eno to Sigismund

Posted by sdb on November 4, 2009, at 13:21:57

In reply to Eno » sdb, posted by Sigismund on October 27, 2009, at 17:32:34

> In the morning my connection is faster. That was lovely and understated. I like minor keys.
>
> Do you know this?
> (I expect you do.)
>
> Nice squeezy sounds at the end.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YitVQuOBuLc
> I have listened to it much too much.
> The lyrics are fun.
>
>
> Backwater
> We're sailing at the edges of time
> Backwater
> We're drifting at the waterline
> Oh we're floating in the coastal waters
> You and me and the porter's daughters
> Ooh what you do not a sausage can do
> And the shorter of the porter's daughters
> Dips her hand in the deadly waters
> Ooh what to do in a tiny canoe
> Black water
> There were six of us but now we are five
> We're all talking
> To keep the conversation alive
> There was a senator from Ecuador
> Who talked about a meteor
> That crashed on a hill in the South of Peru
> And was found by a conquistador
> Who took it to the Emperor
> And he passed it on to a Turkish Guru.
> His daughter
> Was slated for becoming divine
> He taught her
> He taught her how to split and define
> But if you study the logistics
> And heuristics of the mystics
> You will find that their minds rarely groove in a line
> So it's much more realistic
> To abandon such ballistics
> And resign to be trapped on a leaf in a vine.

Honestly I didn't know. thanks Sigismund for that.

How do you interpret Eno's lyrics here?

sdb

 

Re: Eno to Sigismund

Posted by Fivefires on November 4, 2009, at 13:49:49

In reply to Re: Eno to Sigismund, posted by sdb on November 4, 2009, at 13:21:57

I'll take a simple shot at that ...

There is only so much we can see or be taught and understand.

The rest we can ignore or open our mind to unlimited possibilities.

5f

 

Re: Eno to Sigismund

Posted by Sigismund on November 4, 2009, at 22:01:40

In reply to Re: Eno to Sigismund, posted by sdb on November 4, 2009, at 13:21:57

>How do you interpret Eno's lyrics here?

Life is a lot of nonsense?

 

Re: Eno to Sigismund

Posted by Sigismund on November 4, 2009, at 22:03:43

In reply to Re: Eno to Sigismund, posted by Fivefires on November 4, 2009, at 13:49:49

One bit I liked actually was

>His daughter was slated for becoming divine
He taught her how to split and define

Does that (split and define) come from quadratic equations?

 

More Eno

Posted by Sigismund on November 4, 2009, at 22:08:18

In reply to Re: Eno to Sigismund, posted by Sigismund on November 4, 2009, at 22:03:43

Here's 'Broken Head'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyLXZGTwQOg,
the lyrics to which are

>I was just a broken head
I stole the world that others punctured
Now I stumble through the garbage
Slide and tumble, slide and stumble
Beak and claw, remorse reminder
Slide and tumble, slide and stumble
Back and forth and back to nothing
Keep them tidy, keep them humble.


>Chop and change to cut the corners
Sharp as razors shiny razors
Stranded on a world that's dying
Never moving, hardly trying.


>I was just a broken head
I stole the world that others plundered
Now I stumble through the garbage
Slide and tumble, slide and stumble.

Is this sublimation? Maybe not quite?

 

Miss Shapiro

Posted by Sigismund on November 4, 2009, at 22:37:30

In reply to More Eno, posted by Sigismund on November 4, 2009, at 22:08:18

Isn't life a circus?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN3A-6Qb9Is

the lyrics to which are

All the Peasants in the Squares
At Their Tables and Their Chairs
Set to Salvage Certain Numbers
From the Wonder of the Tundra
And the Muses in the Gloom
Counting Needles in Their Rooms
On the Carpet in the Corner
In a Kind of Secret Slumber
While the in Formation Rain
Slashed the Dirty Window Pane to the Square.


Smokey Broads and Smokey Windows in the Square
Come Come Charmer Come On Over For the Day
Disappearing Cocoa Forests Flash and Die
Fortunes Crumble All Demolished in the Bay.


Over Forty Pointed People
In the Perfect Pointed Steeple
Looked to See the Lucky Number
Yes the Wonder of the Tundra
Had Come Up to Fame and Fortune
Singing His Tune, My Tune, Your Tune
Wooing Daughters of the Gifted
On the Carpets of the Courtrooms
While the Tickets Were Expensive
The Show Was Quite Relentless in the Square.


Smokey Broads and Smokey Windows in the Square
Come Come Charmer Come On Over For the Day
Disappearing Cocoa Forests Flash and Die
Fortunes Crumble All Demolished in the Bay


Dalai Llama Lama Puss Puss
Stella Maris Missa Nobis
Miss a Dinner Miss Shapiro
Shampoos Pot-pot Pinkies Pampered
Movement Hampered Like At Christmas
Ha-ha Isn't Life a Circus
Round in Circles Like the Archers
Always Stiff Or Always Starchy
Yes It's Happening and It's Fattening
And It's All That We Can Get Into the Show.


Smokey Broads and Smokey Windows in the Square
Come Come Charmer Come On Over For the Day
Disappearing Cocoa Forests Flash and Die
Fortunes Crumble All Demolished in the Bay

 

Re: Miss Shapiro

Posted by Fivefires on November 7, 2009, at 17:24:39

In reply to Miss Shapiro, posted by Sigismund on November 4, 2009, at 22:37:30

I can't get utube. I have dial up.

Pls remember me cuz i am far too drawn into these words.

5f

 

Schopenhauer

Posted by Sigismund on November 7, 2009, at 19:32:45

In reply to Re: Miss Shapiro, posted by Fivefires on November 7, 2009, at 17:24:39

>I can't get utube. I have dial up.

Yeah, in the secod half of each month my download speed gets tapered, so youtube is iffy then.

>Pls remember me cuz i am far too drawn into these words.

They're OK?? He sings about pretty bleak stuff in an anarchic kind of way, but then so many writers were depressed by our standards.

I was reading about Schopenhauer
>On an excursion to the countryside a male friend suggests they should try to meet some women. Schopenhauer quashes the plan, arguing that 'life is so short, questionable and evanescent that it is not worth the trouble of major effort'.
Goethe suggests to him
>If you wish to draw pleasure out of life, you must attach value to the world.
Schopenhauer's response was
>Better to accept men for what they are than to take them for what they are not
and later (which made me laugh)
>What disturbs and renders unhappy the age of youth is the hunt for happiness on the firm foundation that it must be met with in life. From this arises the constantly deluded hope and so also dissatisfaction. Deceptive images of a vague happiness of our dreams hover before us in capriciously selected shapes and we search in vain for the original. Much would have been gained if through timely advice and instruction young people could have had eradicated from their minds the erroneous notion that the world had a great deal to offer them.

 

Re: Schopenhauer

Posted by Fivefires on November 7, 2009, at 19:45:42

In reply to Schopenhauer, posted by Sigismund on November 7, 2009, at 19:32:45

Way, way WAY OK w/ me S!

Have urself a 'just good' evenin'.

tyvm, 5f

 

Re: Schopenhauer

Posted by sdb on November 8, 2009, at 14:36:59

In reply to Schopenhauer, posted by Sigismund on November 7, 2009, at 19:32:45

> >I can't get utube. I have dial up.
>
> Yeah, in the secod half of each month my download speed gets tapered, so youtube is iffy then.
>
> >Pls remember me cuz i am far too drawn into these words.
>
> They're OK?? He sings about pretty bleak stuff in an anarchic kind of way, but then so many writers were depressed by our standards.
>
> I was reading about Schopenhauer
> >On an excursion to the countryside a male friend suggests they should try to meet some women. Schopenhauer quashes the plan, arguing that 'life is so short, questionable and evanescent that it is not worth the trouble of major effort'.
> Goethe suggests to him
> >If you wish to draw pleasure out of life, you must attach value to the world.
> Schopenhauer's response was
> >Better to accept men for what they are than to take them for what they are not
> and later (which made me laugh)
> >What disturbs and renders unhappy the age of youth is the hunt for happiness on the firm foundation that it must be met with in life. From this arises the constantly deluded hope and so also dissatisfaction. Deceptive images of a vague happiness of our dreams hover before us in capriciously selected shapes and we search in vain for the original. Much would have been gained if through timely advice and instruction young people could have had eradicated from their minds the erroneous notion that the world had a great deal to offer them.

you're reading Schopenhauer...the woman hater
...when nature divided the human race into two parts, she did not cut it exactly through the middle...

http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html

 

Re: Schopenhauer

Posted by Sigismund on November 8, 2009, at 15:49:24

In reply to Re: Schopenhauer, posted by sdb on November 8, 2009, at 14:36:59

No, I have no access to Schopenhauer as such.

I'm reading Alain de Botton's "The Consolations of Philosophy" which has him featured for consolations for a broken heart.

Didn't Nietzche call him 'the flute playing misanthrope'?

 

Re: Schopenhauer

Posted by Sigismund on November 8, 2009, at 15:56:43

In reply to Re: Schopenhauer, posted by sdb on November 8, 2009, at 14:36:59

I'll have to read those links carefully.

It would be interesting to think about the extent to which the views are reflective of an individual's thinking or reflective of the times or both.

The world has changed very greatly.
The fun of reading about history is the extent to which people in the past thought and felt differently to the way people do now, which is to say that the past is not the present in fancy dress.
That said, I've never thought of people in terms of male or female particularly.

 

Re: Schopenhauer

Posted by Sigismund on November 8, 2009, at 16:02:42

In reply to Re: Schopenhauer, posted by sdb on November 8, 2009, at 14:36:59

>It is natural for a feeling of mere indifference to exist between men, but between women it is actual enmity. This is due perhaps to the fact that odium figulinum in the case of men, is limited to their everyday affairs, but with women embraces the whole sex; since they have only one kind of business. Even when they meet in the street, they look at each other like Guelphs and Ghibellines.

This is interesting, and reminds me of my ignorance.
I can see that it might have been the case.
Women have been in the position of being either damned whores or God's police for quite a while, I would guess.

 

Re: Schopenhauer

Posted by sdb on November 9, 2009, at 14:41:08

In reply to Re: Schopenhauer, posted by Sigismund on November 8, 2009, at 16:02:42

> >It is natural for a feeling of mere indifference to exist between men, but between women it is actual enmity. This is due perhaps to the fact that odium figulinum in the case of men, is limited to their everyday affairs, but with women embraces the whole sex; since they have only one kind of business. Even when they meet in the street, they look at each other like Guelphs and Ghibellines.
>
> This is interesting, and reminds me of my ignorance.
> I can see that it might have been the case.
> Women have been in the position of being either damned whores or God's police for quite a while, I would guess.

maybe there's some truth, who knows

 

Nietzche

Posted by Sigismund on November 9, 2009, at 20:45:28

In reply to Re: Schopenhauer, posted by sdb on November 9, 2009, at 14:41:08

I found a good quote further on in Consolations for Difficulties (Nietzche)
>The greater and more terrible the passions are that an age, a people, an individual can permit themselves, because they are capable of employing them as a means, the higher stands their culture.

Now I know no one goes to Nietzche for sober wisdom, but I wondered what this might refer to (colonialism, USSR, Nazi Germany, if not what?).
This is from the same man who wrote to his mother after drinking 4 beers
>Dear Mother
If I write to you today it is about one of the most unpleasant and painful incidents I have ever been responsible for. In fact I misbehaved very badly and I don't know whether you can or will forgive me.

 

Re: Nietzche

Posted by sdb on November 23, 2009, at 13:21:37

In reply to Nietzche, posted by Sigismund on November 9, 2009, at 20:45:28

> I found a good quote further on in Consolations for Difficulties (Nietzche)
> >The greater and more terrible the passions are that an age, a people, an individual can permit themselves, because they are capable of employing them as a means, the higher stands their culture.
>
> Now I know no one goes to Nietzche for sober wisdom, but I wondered what this might refer to (colonialism, USSR, Nazi Germany, if not what?).
> This is from the same man who wrote to his mother after drinking 4 beers
> >Dear Mother
> If I write to you today it is about one of the most unpleasant and painful incidents I have ever been responsible for. In fact I misbehaved very badly and I don't know whether you can or will forgive me.

http://karaart.com/prints/ex-libris/3/3e16.jpg

 

Seneca » sdb

Posted by Sigismund on November 24, 2009, at 18:42:41

In reply to Re: Nietzche, posted by sdb on November 23, 2009, at 13:21:37

Mustache!

I will therefore move on to Seneca.....

'What need is there to weep over parts of life?
The whole of it calls for tears.'

 

Re: Seneca

Posted by Sigismund on November 25, 2009, at 15:12:19

In reply to Seneca » sdb, posted by Sigismund on November 24, 2009, at 18:42:41

'[The wise do] not put a wrong construction upon everything.'

I couldn't stop laughing after I read that.


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