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Posted by Happyflower on April 24, 2008, at 13:33:37
I just read something by one of our veterans of what they had to go through in training in order to become ready for being a prisoner of war in case it happens? The one's who can endure the pain and not tell information pass the test.
Is it right that we (from what this veteran said) are abusing our own soldiers to prepare them for this? I am talking about using tazers and cattle prods, not just physical fitness stuff. And that it is frowned on to "tell" what really goes on.It just makes me sick really.
Posted by Sigismund on April 24, 2008, at 16:16:14
In reply to Why do soldiers have to go through so much abuse ?, posted by Happyflower on April 24, 2008, at 13:33:37
Apparently the generation raised on video games finds it easier to pull the trigger (especially for head shots) than earlier generations raised without, so some of the desensitization has already been done.
And that's even before you get to the army.
Posted by Happyflower on April 24, 2008, at 17:55:39
In reply to Re: Why do soldiers have to go through so much abuse ? » Happyflower, posted by Sigismund on April 24, 2008, at 16:16:14
That is true, but of this stuff was happening before Vietnam. I am actually talking about men getting their genitals shocked with cattle prods or tazers by their training officers. While having them naked, with a sack over their head standing out in hot heat till they fall over from exhaustion, then being shocked. This is what i heard is happening from recent times.
I heard in Vietnam, man had glass tubes forced in their penises then they would have the soldiers become aroused where then the glass tubes would break and become stuck in the urinary track every time they had to go pee.
Why do human do such horrible things to one another, I will never understand it. But for this stuff to be happening to our soldier by our soldier is just insane.
Posted by Sigismund on April 24, 2008, at 19:08:52
In reply to abuse triggers, posted by Happyflower on April 24, 2008, at 17:55:39
Oh my goodness
Posted by AbbieNormal on April 24, 2008, at 21:08:43
In reply to Re: abuse triggers, posted by Sigismund on April 24, 2008, at 19:08:52
why do I read trigger posts when I'm already upset? It's like my brain is out to get me. it's my #1 enemy.
sure which I hadn't read that post. now I am going to have new nightmares for days.
my fault completely for ignoring the warning!!! grrr at me!
Posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2008, at 22:40:21
In reply to * toture trigger above * wish I had heeded warning, posted by AbbieNormal on April 24, 2008, at 21:08:43
My Son is a veteran of Desert Storm 82nd Airborne and no that is not true from what he's said but they did force innoculations on them. He was injured. I will ask him if true. Love Phillipa no I'm of the Vietnam Generation and never heard this before. Where did you hear it? Chemicals not the other. Hard work in rain mud etc.
Posted by Happyflower on April 24, 2008, at 22:49:59
In reply to Re: * toture trigger above * wish I had heeded warning » AbbieNormal, posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2008, at 22:40:21
Sorry maybe I shouldn't have posted this, it just upsets me and I hate it when stuff like this is hush hush. I learned about the glass tube in high school history class, and have heard it before many times.
The current thing was a post on another mental health site by a vet who experienced this.
My husband's cousin, who is a very high rank in the air force says this kind of stuff goes on all the time, it happened to him in his training too. But it is suppose to be secret.
I was upset that this vet, who needed help with him PTSD triggered by what happened to him in the service, kept him from getting treatment because he would get in trouble for telling.
I just wish there was something that could be done about it. It is so wrong that it happens to even one person.
Posted by Happyflower on April 25, 2008, at 8:43:13
In reply to Why do soldiers have to go through so much abuse ?, posted by Happyflower on April 24, 2008, at 13:33:37
If you want to remove this thread, that is okay by me, I don't want to have anyone upset.
Posted by Happyflower on April 25, 2008, at 9:20:44
In reply to Sorry I even posted this or brought it up, posted by Happyflower on April 25, 2008, at 8:43:13
I didn't want to upset anyone, I don't know what is wrong with me. Sometimes the truth shouldn't be told, I wish I could just be ignorant about life sometimes. Sorry everyone for such a horrible topic.
Posted by caraher on April 25, 2008, at 11:43:27
In reply to Re: * toture trigger above * wish I had heeded war, posted by Happyflower on April 24, 2008, at 22:49:59
> I learned about the glass tube in high school history class, and have heard it before many times.
There is more fiction in some American high school history classes than in many American high school English classes. It's on par with info someone "found on the internet."
I believe it was in the foreword of the book "Lies My Teacher Told Me" that a college history professor said he prefers students who took less history in high school because they had fewer myths to unlearn.
> My husband's cousin, who is a very high rank in the air force says this kind of stuff goes on all the time, it happened to him in his training too. But it is suppose to be secret.I think the "high rank" part is relevant. Military training does involve severe stress, and some volunteer for roles that involve significantly elevated chances of things like torture. People do voluntarily undergo what would normally be considered abuse if they are going into one of those roles. I'd expect this to be much more common among officers - people who have knowledge that could be especially valuable to an enemy - than among typical soldiers (who generally won't know much beyond what their own unit is doing).
Even so, the glass story sounds like nonsense. There are plenty of ways to inflict great suffering (as our "post 9/11" world has made abundantly clear) that don't involve leaving a mess might require surgical remedies. The glass thing seems to be the stuff of urban legends.
Posted by AbbieNormal on April 25, 2008, at 16:56:35
In reply to I feel like such a bad person for posting this, posted by Happyflower on April 25, 2008, at 9:20:44
Don't beat yourself up. It was on your mind, and you wanted to share your thoughts.
I once saw an graphic act of violence on the news...gosh probably 25 years ago. When I am feeling depressed, it comes to mind. I hate it. It just pops into my head. When life is going OK, it never enters my mind. So, maybe check on your own head for it's wellness if you are dwelling on the topic? I dunno. Just a caution.
Abbie.
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on April 26, 2008, at 21:53:58
In reply to Re: I feel like such a bad person for posting this » Happyflower, posted by AbbieNormal on April 25, 2008, at 16:56:35
Actually I was going to post the lyrics to that Edwin Starr song "War", but then I thought I would get a PBC because I'd be offending people who like wars. Urrggg...geesshh. My Dad fought in the Korean War in the Navy. He had a childhood of horrid abuse, having the snot beat out of him daily by a very evil 'step-father'. Going into the Navy was like going to summer camp for him. No cattle prods or anything like that.
Jay
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