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Posted by Gabbi~G~ on September 4, 2006, at 15:33:41
In reply to Thank you » NikkiT2, posted by crazy teresa on September 4, 2006, at 12:59:50
> Perhaphs true colors are shown by the way one responds to such a tradgedy.
You mean, you could judge the essence of someone by how they respond to the death of Steve Irwin?
Really?
Posted by gardenergirl on September 4, 2006, at 16:02:10
In reply to Re: RIP Steve Irwin *poss trigger* » Estella, posted by Racer on September 4, 2006, at 2:20:05
> Estella, I'm not a fan, either, and I have a hard time not saying he died of hubris -- though I have no evidence to base that on.
That reminds me of the feelings I had about "Grizzly Man". Very mixed feelings of awe and admiration along with dismay and sorrow for the whole of the tragedy.
>
> Still, it saddens me, to a surprising extent. Maybe because I'm about his age. Maybe because I can empathize with his widow. Or maybe because I hope when my time comes I'll be able to say goodbye to my loved ones, and clean up my messes so they won't have to. Maybe because, somewhere deep inside myself that I hardly know exists, I think everyone should have the chance to make peace with God -- whatever flavor of God you like.I had a similar and intense reaction to the Lexington plane crash last weekend. It hit close to home. It's exactly the kind of commuter flight my husband and I take when we travel. I've not yet flown out of Lexington, but I use Louisville a lot when I need to save money. Any of those passengers could have been just like me. It's heartbreaking and tragic and it makes you think and question. It really shook me up.
I can relate.
I'm sorry it's upsetting for you. It's part of what I love about you, though. Your humanity, empathy, and depth.
Hope you slept well.
Love,
gg
Posted by crazy teresa on September 4, 2006, at 16:06:22
In reply to Re: Thank you, posted by Gabbi~G~ on September 4, 2006, at 15:33:41
No, just another person's tradgedy.
Posted by Gabbi~G~ on September 4, 2006, at 17:40:36
In reply to Re: Thank you » Gabbi~G~, posted by crazy teresa on September 4, 2006, at 16:06:22
I think it's tragic when people don't share my opinions too!
:D
That there was a very friendly poke...
Posted by TexasChic on September 4, 2006, at 19:25:01
In reply to Maybe a different thread for the negative please? » Estella, posted by NikkiT2 on September 4, 2006, at 8:46:33
I don't think anyone intentionally meant to be negative. Expressing a personal dislike for a person isn't necessarily negative, but people who are upset and feeling sensitive about his death might find it a little hard to hear.
I really didn't like or dislike him, but its always sad when someone dies. Especially when they have small children.
Very sad.
-T
Posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:42:41
In reply to Re: Maybe a different thread for the negative please?, posted by TexasChic on September 4, 2006, at 19:25:01
Thanks but who said they disliked him?
I'm not a fan of a whole heap of people. Doesn't follow from that that I dislike them.
Posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:44:48
In reply to Thank you » NikkiT2, posted by crazy teresa on September 4, 2006, at 12:59:50
> Perhaphs true colors are shown by the way one responds to such a tradgedy.
I don't appreciate what seems to have been an attempt at an insult.
A word for you and Nikki:
Humour.
Its thought to be a healthy defence.
Might help you out to consider that there are different ways people deal with things.
Also:
I said 'Bummer' and I meant it.
Posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:50:45
In reply to Thank you » NikkiT2, posted by crazy teresa on September 4, 2006, at 12:59:50
On that note I've done a bit of an archive trawl and what do I find but me reaching out to crazy t over on the newbies boards. Guess it just isn't true that 'you have never posted anything nice to me or reached out to me in any way whatsoever'.
Sometimes I think my biggest mistake...
Is to go around falling over myself with apologies.
So...
Lets turn that question around:
When has crazy t last posted anything nice to me or reached out to me in anyway whatsoever?
I feel strangely liberated.
My mistake was to let that whole situation get to me.
Because... I didn't want to hurt others.
But...
What about me?
Posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:53:02
In reply to Maybe a different thread for the negative please? » Estella, posted by NikkiT2 on September 4, 2006, at 8:46:33
> try to remember there are people out there who are fans though..
I don't need to try and remember I do remember
> Please. Even if people don't like the guy, show some respect to those that did.
I said 'bummer' and I meant it.
Please don't imply that I'm showing disrespect.And please don't imply that I'm posting 'negative' stuff either.
Posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:54:51
In reply to RIP Steve Irwin *poss trigger*, posted by Racer on September 4, 2006, at 1:19:03
I'm sorry if I offended you Racer.
I intended my posts to be supportive / friendly to you.
Posted by Wildflower on September 4, 2006, at 19:57:50
In reply to RIP Steve Irwin *poss trigger*, posted by Racer on September 4, 2006, at 1:19:03
Even though I'm terrified of snakes, I'd watch his show just to see if some of his enthusiasm for life would rub off on me. Never have a I seen someone that was so passionate about a cause.
I was just flipping through the channels and saw that they were airing one of his shows telling the story about his wife and his children. It's so sad.
Posted by TexasChic on September 4, 2006, at 20:02:09
In reply to Re: Maybe a different thread for the negative plea » TexasChic, posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:42:41
I was just trying to smooth things over. Sorry if it didn't come out that way.
-T
Posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 20:25:19
In reply to Re: Maybe a different thread for the negative plea » Alexus, posted by TexasChic on September 4, 2006, at 20:02:09
Its okay.
I know you were.
:-)Sorry about posting anything this morning.
I should have just left it alone.~peace
Posted by Gabbi~G~ on September 4, 2006, at 21:11:59
In reply to Re: Maybe a different thread for the negative please?, posted by TexasChic on September 4, 2006, at 19:25:01
> I don't think anyone intentionally meant to be negative. Expressing a personal dislike for a person isn't necessarily negative, but people who are upset and feeling sensitive about his death might find it a little hard to hear.
>I agree, and I'm glad you said something.
I was really surprised that that was considered negative.
I actuatlly thought saying "I'm not a fan" is a very polite way of being honest.I mean what if GWB died?
That would be about all I could choke out.
And there's no universal consensus on who is someone to be idolized.I actually got crap at work for not being suitably sad when Benny Hill died, I wasn't rude, I just couldn't pretend to be sad for anyone but those who loved him.
Posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 21:22:34
In reply to Re: Maybe a different thread for the negative please?, posted by Gabbi~G~ on September 4, 2006, at 21:11:59
Though I appreciate he was not to everyones tastes.
Posted by Jost on September 4, 2006, at 21:53:35
In reply to Re: Syd Barrett died recently :-(, posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 21:22:34
I wasn't quite sure who Syd Barrett was.
The following information about early Pink Floyd is curious.
Can you imagine that a band that evolved their sound could have started as "The Abdabs" (or "The Screaming Abdabs")? Or even "The Tea Set"? Or that there were two bands called "The Tea Set" at the same time?
What is an abdab, anyway?
From Wiki:
'Pink Floyd years (1965–1968)
Starting in 1964, the band that would become Pink Floyd underwent various line-up and name changes such as "The Abdabs", "The Screaming Abdabs", "Sigma 6" and "The Meggadeaths" (not to be confused with Megadeth). In 1965, Barrett joined them as "The Tea Set", and when they found themselves playing a concert with a band of the same name, Barrett created the name "The Pink Floyd Sound" (later "The Pink Floyd"). He derived the name "Pink Floyd" juxtaposing the first names of Pink Anderson and Floyd Council he had read about in a sleeve note by Paul Oliver for a 1962 Blind Boy Fuller LP (Philips BBL-7512): "Curley Weaver and Fred McMullen, (...) Pink Anderson or Floyd Council -- these were a few amongst the many blues singers that were to be heard in the rolling hills of the Piedmont, or meandering with the streams through the wooded valleys".'Jost
Posted by Racer on September 4, 2006, at 22:42:17
In reply to Re: RIP Steve Irwin *poss trigger* » Racer, posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:54:51
> I'm sorry if I offended you Racer.
>
>
No harm, no foul. I wasn't offended.
Posted by llrrrpp on September 4, 2006, at 23:29:48
In reply to Re: RIP Steve Irwin *poss trigger*, posted by Wildflower on September 4, 2006, at 19:57:50
Yeah, he was a hoot.
I thought he was a dumbas* and he often displayed poor judgement and overconfidence.
Yet, his enthusiasm WAS infectious, and spontaneous and sincere. In the middle of filming something about snakes, he might spot an ant running across a leaf and devote 5 minutes just to give us a narrative about why this ant is so cool and worthy of our notice and his excitement.
And his death was very freakish. It's easy to write the "moral" to this story. It's easy to be cynical about why this guy makes the headlines when other's deaths don't. But. Why not remember that he was a person above all, and deserves our rememberance and respect at this time above all other times.
-ll
Posted by Gabbi~G~ on September 5, 2006, at 1:44:05
In reply to Re: RIP Steve Irwin *poss trigger* » Wildflower, posted by llrrrpp on September 4, 2006, at 23:29:48
> Yeah, he was a hoot.
>
> I thought he was a dumbas* and he often displayed poor judgement and overconfidence.
>That's so funny! That's exactly how I described him, including the part about his enthusiasm
My brother-in-law used to do great imitations of him.
I didn't have respect for him until I read about how much he'd done for conservation/environmental efforts.
Then I thought.. well maybe (maybe not) with the "Crocodile Hunter" schtick he was purposely engaging the type of viewer who'd rarely watch a "nature" show.
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 5, 2006, at 4:14:22
In reply to Re: Thank you, posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:44:48
I didn't realise I had posted a message to you.
Thankyou
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 5, 2006, at 4:28:40
In reply to Re: Thank you, posted by Alexus on September 4, 2006, at 19:50:45
Oh, I guess that you changed your name between psts yeah? Other wise, I have *no idea* where I spoke to you.
You know what, you have posted a long list of posts to me oer this.
OK... To me, if somene says this..
"i am not a fan.
i mean that in the strongest possible sense."To me, than kind of means dislike. If I am the polar opposite of a fan of someone, then, I quite dislike them.
This guy was one of my heros. I could sit here and tell you why, but those that know and care about me know why. Would it have really taken so much to have shown respect and held back on the
"i mean that in the strongest possible sense"
Yes, to me, that was showing disprespect.
And, if you fancy looking back through the archives, I did post in a thread when Syd Barrett died, so I have *no* idea where you are going with this.
Let me know when one of your hero's are killed in a particularly nasty manner, and I shall come and point out that I didn't like them much. Then we'll see how YOU feel about it.
Luckily, I now have alot of friends who *will* offer me support over this.. I should remember not to cme to this place for support.. *shakes head*
Posted by Alexus on September 5, 2006, at 6:10:20
In reply to Re: Thank you » Alexus, posted by NikkiT2 on September 5, 2006, at 4:28:40
> OK... To me, if somene says this..
> "i am not a fan.
> i mean that in the strongest possible sense."
> To me, than kind of means dislike. If I am the polar opposite of a fan of someone, then, I quite dislike them.I didn't mean to imply 'polar oposite'. I meant... I really and truely am not a fan. I never watched a show. I saw the adverts for the show and I didn't think I could tolerate that for an hour. That doesn't say anything at all about him as a person. I don't know whether I would have disliked the show. I guess I figured I probably would based on the adverts. But I don't have any feelings about him one way or the other as a person. I don't know him as a person at all.
> This guy was one of my heros. I could sit here and tell you why, but those that know and care about me know why.And I don't know therefore... You think I don't know and care about you. Friends don't tend to have any extra special mind reading capacity you know, and just because someone can't read your mind doesn't mean that they don't know an awful lot about you in some respects and it doesn't mean that they don't care about you either.
> Would it have really taken so much to have shown respect and held back on the
> "i mean that in the strongest possible sense"
> Yes, to me, that was showing disprespect.Well I didn't intend any disrespect. Also please note that I was responding to Racer. She started the thread and I was responding to her. Then you jump on in all offended. I get the feeling we have been here before... How about you just ignore my posts and refrain from talking about me? Might make things run a little smoother...
> And, if you fancy looking back through the archives, I did post in a thread when Syd Barrett died, so I have *no* idea where you are going with this.
Nowhere at all. Just saying that I would understand if someone did post saying he was a druggie and they didn't understand what all the fuss was about. I would accept that and wouldn't take offence at all even though I think he is one of the most brilliant musicians we have seen in a while. To each his own as they say.
> Let me know when one of your hero's are killed in a particularly nasty manner, and I shall come and point out that I didn't like them much. Then we'll see how YOU feel about it.How old are we?
> Luckily, I now have alot of friends who *will* offer me support over this.. I should remember not to cme to this place for support.. *shakes head*Sorry I didn't realise this thread was about supporting you.
If you ever want to talk about what your problem with me is then I'm willing to listen and to try and talk it through.
But please stop jumping all over me.
Alright?
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 5, 2006, at 7:56:25
In reply to Re: Thank you » NikkiT2, posted by Alexus on September 5, 2006, at 6:10:20
Look, I can't follow all your name changes most of the time anyway.. especially when they happen half way through a thread.
Personally, if its only hours since a someone died in tragic circumstances, I wouldn't post *anything* but positive stuff. The negative can come later. Even if I don't care hugely whether the person was dead, I have a level of empathy that makes me realise that there are probably *others* who are more affected by his death than me. No, Syd Barret dying didn't upset me.. it made me wistful and a time earlier in my life that reminds me of him, but didn't upset me. But, I didn't post any of the negative I could have done, as there may have been others out there upset by his death.
When it comes to death, grief and respect, if I don't have anything positive to post, I simply don't post.
I guess thats the word I was looking.. empathy for others feelings.
Posted by Alexus on September 5, 2006, at 8:29:40
In reply to Re: Thank you » Alexus, posted by NikkiT2 on September 5, 2006, at 7:56:25
> Look, I can't follow all your name changes most of the time anyway.. especially when they happen half way through a thread.
The point of a name change is that people don't really follow them. And also... That people who do follow them don't post explicitly or implicitly that they do follow them. I keep changing them because people just don't seem to be able to do that...
Trying to avoid an internet trail IRL...
mostly mostly
> Personally, if its only hours since a someone died in tragic circumstances, I wouldn't post *anything* but positive stuff.And you are entitled to your personal style...
> The negative can come later.
Once again... I wasn't intending to post anything negative and I don't think that I did post anything negative.
> I have a level of empathy that makes me realise that there are probably *others* who are more affected by his death than me.
Hence my posting to Racers thread to support Racer.
> I guess thats the word I was looking.. empathy for others feelings.
I didn't see how I was being unempathetic to Racer. I posted my comment before yours... I was quite surprised to have been jumped on. If you don't appreciate my comments you can just ignore them you know.
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 5, 2006, at 8:44:05
In reply to Re: Thank you » NikkiT2, posted by Alexus on September 5, 2006, at 8:29:40
If you want to leave less of an internet trail, maybe not changing your name mid-thread would be a good idea.
The advice I give to others worried about their safety online is - if you feel that posting on x site might cause problems in your real life, don't post on that site. I have never hidden where I post (even in high security jobs in my past) But then, I never post anything that could cause me to lose my job etc.
I can't promise never to take notice of your posts again, as its quite clear that I don't always know the names you are posting with.
I am asking you not to post to, or about me, again. If I change my name, obviously I can't hold you to this.
Nikki
ps - not wanting to post negative things abut someone who is recently dead is not "my style". Its manners and class
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