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Posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 15:17:49
In reply to Make me blush... » TamaraJ, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 13:56:23
> I saw some pictures in a magazine once about people who got collagen injections from back alley "Doctors"this situation wasn't exactly that bad, but did you see Meg Ryan after she has some "work" done? She was SO cute before she had it done, and I don't know exactly what she had done, collagen or lip enhancement, but it didn't turn out well at all. People were pretty cruel. Haven't seen her since.
> Oh my, it was so gruesome, some of the women had the collagen migrate to other areas of their face or body and it was in a huge mass.. and it can't be fixed.Well, I guess I'll pass on that kinds of stuff then! YIKES!!
> Oh my.. what a lengthy post, I think I made my coffee a bit strong this morning, Sorry Tamara.
>LOL, you go girl! Keeps things interesting! AND, thank you for putting everything in perspective! Sometimes I need a good dose of that!
Jazzy
Posted by caraher on July 4, 2005, at 15:54:23
In reply to Re: Make me blush... » gabbii, posted by TamaraJ on July 4, 2005, at 14:14:21
> An old friend of mine was not a particularly attractive girl - a Barbara Streisand type nose, eyes too close together, heavy set . . . Yet, her mother raised her to believe she was beautiful. And, you know what, she always got the good-looking guy she wanted and just exuded confidence and sexuality. Funny, eh?
That confidence is so much of attractiveness. But here's the thing I wonder about the purely cosmetic surgeries... people say it will make them feel better about themselves, give them more confidence, etc. Maybe it does... but I wonder. Do they just find something else to be insecure about? Or carry around in their head somewhere the notion that yeah, now I look great but only because of a surgeon's talent.
I guess I'd rather see the teens have someone invest in their lives rather than their plastic surgeons. The positive results might be more lasting and certain.
Posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 16:59:17
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth, posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 15:10:12
> Did any of you ever watch The Swan? I loved that show! I know some people think it's sick to want to totally change, but I'd love to have a lot done. Boob job, tummy tuck, liposuction in a few areas, brow lift. The one doctor on that show was really good, more of an artist.
Well I never saw the show, I tried once, but I could not sit through it, it wasn't moral indignation I think I was just bored.
I saw a picture of the winners though, and honestly I thought they looked awful in it. Perhaps it was the gowns they were wearing but I thought they looked like amateur drag queens, and I hate those identical chiclet teeth.I have so many conflicting thoughts on surgery,
although I'm firm on the fact that it's a personal choice, and we never know that what seems insignificant to us may torment someone else. I mean, you hear people often say "Well it's okay if someone is disfigured, or if they say have a HUGE nose, but other than that it's just wrong"
Someone may not be bothered by their large nose though, like Tamara pointed out, and someone else may feel disfigured because of something most consider relatively minor, who are we to say?
I also think in a way cosmetic surgery is somewhat of an equalizer (of course money is still an issue) Society has always based so much on looks, your life can be defined for you because of extreme looks one way or the other, and now those who once felt like subhumans and were treated as such can have the opportunity to feel like part of the world.
We're biologically programmed to be affected by appearance, that's not going to change any time soon.. And rather than begetting a preoccupation with looks, I wonder if having those things that bother someone taken care of could actually free them to be more themselves, and focus on other things.
I cringe at the thought of teenagers getting everything changed though. The way I wanted to look as a teenager is nothing compared to what I admire in appearance now.On the other hand, the personal is political, and buying into the appearance obsession makes it more difficult for those who cannot, or choose not to. I wonder if children will ask why their mom has all those wrinkles and the other moms don't.
I really do think that women who are confident are the true beauties, I sincerely feel that,
I think Georgia O'keefe was amazing looking..
I just don't think it's realistic to think everyone can achieve that sort of confidence.I'm pretty sure though, that if I had an excess of money, I'd have a few things done, not on my face (now anyway) But I'd love to be able to effortlessly slip into any type of clothing I wanted to, without having to think about covering this, or that.. wow, just one day of that would be heavenly..
Oh Gosh, I've gone on again.
You shouldn't encourage me Jazzy!
Posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 19:03:11
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » Jazzed, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 16:59:17
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> Oh Gosh, I've gone on again.
> You shouldn't encourage me Jazzy!
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LOL, food for thought Gabbi, food for thought!How's this one for you...... we know a woman whose daughter is ADHD. The daughter is now in 6th grade. She was a mediocre student at best before medication, but once on medication she did really well, her concentration was good, her grades improved, and she wasn't as hyperactive.
The daughter was just a bit overweight, and the mom was obese. For a variety of reasons, the mom decided to have bariatric surgery, and over a year lost about 100 pounds. She looks and feels good, although she does have some problems because of her inability to absorb the proper amount of nutrients.
About a year ago, the mom decided that the daughter needed to learn to cope with the symptoms of her ADHD, and she didn't want her on medication anymore, so she cut her down, then cut her off. Along with her grades suffering, the hyperactivity came back, and she gained about 15. She asked her mom if she could go back on the meds. The mom said, "this is not the way we lose weight." I couldn't believe the selfish message she was sending.
My interpretation, "No, you will have to learn to overcome the way you were wired. You will have to face this illness without the benefit of the medication that I agreed to put you on. The medication that helped you focus and do better in school. The medication that probably helped control your impulsiveness so that you didn't eat excessively. However, when you are grown, like me, and are obese, then we'll just get you bariatric surgery. That's how we lose weight."
I couldn't believe the message she was sending, esp. since I knew that this woman had been on every weight loss medication out there. She knew her daughter is ADHD, and refuses to allow her to continue on the meds that were helping her. ARGH!!! My rant!
Jazzy
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2005, at 19:29:33
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » TamaraJ, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 1:46:12
I have a lot to say. But first what did Meg Ryan do to her face? She's still young.
Now, I'm older than you all are obvious by your posts but it's very hard to age. When you're young you think you're invincible and will never get old. But my theory was that my husband is l3 years younger than I am and I've been out of work due to illness for 8 years and scared to go back. Very needy now. I thought if I got a facelift I could gain back the years I lost and enter the job market looking l0 years younger. I really am old. Got the facelift with a lot of complications. They are gone now but it's not what I expected. I still have lines between my nose and on my forhead and around my mouth. A facelift just gives you scars and supposedly makes you look "freshened". They did remove a lot of skin[turkey neck] and my profile is better. But the remaining wrinkles? Still there and the only way to get them to look better is the fillers. Collagen, Hydroform, Restalyn, Radiance. Well I got the collegen and hyroform compliments of the doc since I'd had so many complications. But it didn't work. I go back at the end of the month and it will cost me about l500 dollars I don't have. And I don't feel or look l0 years younger. Those movie stars have so much done to them that it cost them 40 thousand or more. The average facelift is around 8000. So am I ready to go into the job market? It didn't change my mind, how it thinks. I'm still the same insecure person I was before. And I wanted a tummytuck too. But never again. I'll just get old. Oh the injections only last a few months if they work at all. I guess I should feel lucky what happened to Farrah Fawcett didn't happen to me. Remember her? But we're the same age. So I guess I'll just have to stop thinking about looks so much and look inside. It's your mind that keeps you young. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 20:57:02
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth » gabbii, posted by Jazzed on July 4, 2005, at 19:03:11
> How's this one for you...... we know a woman whose daughter is ADHD. The daughter is now in 6th grade. She was a mediocre student at best before medication, but once on medication she did really well, her concentration was good, her grades improved, and she wasn't as hyperactive.
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> The daughter was just a bit overweight, and the mom was obese. For a variety of reasons, the mom decided to have bariatric surgery, and over a year lost about 100 pounds. She looks and feels good, although she does have some problems because of her inability to absorb the proper amount of nutrients.
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> About a year ago, the mom decided that the daughter needed to learn to cope with the symptoms of her ADHD, and she didn't want her on medication anymore, so she cut her down, then cut her off. Along with her grades suffering, the hyperactivity came back, and she gained about 15. She asked her mom if she could go back on the meds. The mom said, "this is not the way we lose weight." I couldn't believe the selfish message she was sending.That subject did make me blush.. or flush I should say.
Oh my God that is awful! How frustrating for the Daughter, that's abuse. It's like denying a wheelchair to someone who is unable to walk.
Oh that's so cruel...This is her whole life..
Oh that poor girl. Maybe she should act so terrible and do so many pre-planned "impulsive" things that her mother will get exasperated and let her go back on them.Back to your other question, I think reductions are covered by insurance here if they are causing health problems. I'd have to develop back pain though, right now all I have is esthetic pain..
Posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 21:14:28
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2005, at 19:29:33
> I have a lot to say. But first what did Meg Ryan do to her face? She's still young.
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> Now, I'm older than you all are obvious by your posts but it's very hard to age. When you're young you think you're invincible and will never get old. But my theory was that my husband is l3 years younger than I am and I've been out of work due to illness for 8 years and scared to go back. Very needy now. I thought if I got a facelift I could gain back the years I lost and enter the job market looking l0 years younger. I really am old. Got the facelift with a lot of complications. They are gone now but it's not what I expected. I still have lines between my nose and on my forhead and around my mouth. A facelift just gives you scars and supposedly makes you look "freshened". They did remove a lot of skin[turkey neck] and my profile is better. But the remaining wrinkles? Still there and the only way to get them to look better is the fillers. Collagen, Hydroform, Restalyn, Radiance. Well I got the collegen and hyroform compliments of the doc since I'd had so many complications. But it didn't work. I go back at the end of the month and it will cost me about l500 dollars I don't have. And I don't feel or look l0 years younger. Those movie stars have so much done to them that it cost them 40 thousand or more. The average facelift is around 8000. So am I ready to go into the job market? It didn't change my mind, how it thinks. I'm still the same insecure person I was before. And I wanted a tummytuck too. But never again. I'll just get old. Oh the injections only last a few months if they work at all. I guess I should feel lucky what happened to Farrah Fawcett didn't happen to me. Remember her? But we're the same age. So I guess I'll just have to stop thinking about looks so much and look inside. It's your mind that keeps you young. Fondly, PhillipaOh Phillipa, I'm so sorry you had such a dissappointing experience, that sounds so incredibly frustrating. I had a more minor dissappointment years ago when I had liposuction.
When I was very young I had a child and gave him up for adoption. Even though I was young it still gave me that baby tummy, which is a constant reminder. When I had the money I thought I deserved to have that fixed, and upper thighs too. I went through agony for a week, bruises for a month, and for a while I looked like I'd maybe lost 7lbs of water, and then it all came back. I've heard that from so many people too, even a celebrity (Kathy Griffiths? Kathleen Griffen, not a major star)I saw being interviewed about it on t.v said it did nothing the first time, and the second time Entertainment tonight was paying for a complete overhaul for her (like she couldn't have afforded her own) she turned down the offer of liposuction, but the Doc talked her into it, and she said it didn't do anything the second time either. She looked thin to me, but I guess she wanted even thinner legs.
I think you're right, the celebrities have the lifts and then the peels and the lazers..Well your mind is obviously very young Phillipa!
But if you ever change your feelings about the injections, I think in a while Artecoll is going to be approved in the U.S, it's been in Canada for years, (usually it's the other way around)
It's permanent, and the results I've seen have been very impressive.What made my mom look ten years younger was Tai Chi. I could NOT believe it, it's like she gets younger every year, not just her body but her face, she has a glow that she never had before.
Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2005, at 21:59:32
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush... » Phillipa, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 21:14:28
I asked the plastic surgeon about liposuction first. He said he could do it but my stomach would look like a wrinkled shirt. He then said he would have to do a tummy tuck 3 months later. I asked him if the fat would ever come back on my stomach and he said no. He said it would go somewhere else if I gained wt. I asked where and he said my butt probably. A permanent filler? Now that sounds promising. But you know at a young age think what will be around even l0 years from now. My plastic surgeon met one from Belgium who was using a new technique to eliminate the scaring on my face. My lift was March 3l of this year. He's already using this technique. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Jazzed on July 5, 2005, at 17:39:01
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush...Emily Elizabeth, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2005, at 19:29:33
Wow, I'm so sorry for all you've been through Phillpa. Makes me wonder if I should do the breast lift. Did your problems have anything to do with the qualifications of the doctor?
Meg Ryan, btw, I think had lip enhancement, why I don't know because she had beautiful lips. Don't know if she had anything else.
Jazzy
Posted by Jazzed on July 5, 2005, at 17:41:43
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush... » Phillipa, posted by gabbii on July 4, 2005, at 21:14:28
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> What made my mom look ten years younger was Tai Chi. I could NOT believe it, it's like she gets younger every year, not just her body but her face, she has a glow that she never had before.
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>How old is she? Wow, I might have to try that. I look younger than I am, but I'd like to continue that trend.Jazzy
Posted by gabbii on July 5, 2005, at 18:17:16
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush... » gabbii, posted by Jazzed on July 5, 2005, at 17:41:43
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> > What made my mom look ten years younger was Tai Chi. I could NOT believe it, it's like she gets younger every year, not just her body but her face, she has a glow that she never had before.
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> >How old is she? Wow, I might have to try that. I look younger than I am, but I'd like to continue that trend.
>She's 64, it really is quite unbelievable, I literally saw her transform. She was in good health and shape before she started too, she's always been extremely nutrition conscious,(I didn't taste pop til I was 13) and did yoga. She has never been overweight even a little bit either, so it's not like it was just because she was doing *something* it was the Tai Chi and also probably because she became an instructor and that gave her a sense of fulfillment.
Posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2005, at 18:23:46
In reply to Re: Thissubject line makes me blush... » Jazzed, posted by gabbii on July 5, 2005, at 18:17:16
Jazzed, Here's his website. Let me know what you think. www.lookasbeautiful.com. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by gabbii on July 5, 2005, at 19:35:24
In reply to Jazzed, posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2005, at 18:23:46
I discovered it when I just had to see what Jazz meant by Meg Ryan's surgery.
For your guilty viewing pleasure...
Posted by crazy teresa on July 5, 2005, at 20:18:50
In reply to Boobs :-P, posted by Deneb on July 1, 2005, at 12:09:58
> I feel like I want to touch them.
For a new Chanel purse, you can touch mine! ;~}
crazy t
Posted by Maximus on July 7, 2005, at 10:53:38
In reply to Boobs :-P, posted by Deneb on July 1, 2005, at 12:09:58
Posted by Jazzed on July 7, 2005, at 10:59:21
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! (nm), posted by Maximus on July 7, 2005, at 10:53:38
Whose boobs do you love Maxi? You are a very naughty boy! Now, go to your room!
Jazzy
Posted by Maximus on July 7, 2005, at 12:43:37
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! » Maximus, posted by Jazzed on July 7, 2005, at 10:59:21
> Whose boobs do you love Maxi? You are a very naughty boy! Now, go to your room!
>Hey horny gal, that was a compliment ;-)
Now take your funny herb and drain down as usual your hubby :-D
And wish me a good day, i need one :-( Bye.
Posted by Jazzed on July 7, 2005, at 15:15:27
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! » Jazzed, posted by Maximus on July 7, 2005, at 12:43:37
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> And wish me a good day, i need one :-( Bye.
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Sorry to hear that Maxi, hope your day gets better, and you look back on it and it was good!Jazzy
Posted by ed_uk on July 7, 2005, at 15:30:59
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! » Maximus, posted by Jazzed on July 7, 2005, at 10:59:21
>You are a very naughty boy!
Hehe, Maxi has a GSOH!
~Ed
Posted by Jazzed on July 7, 2005, at 15:47:56
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! » Jazzed, posted by ed_uk on July 7, 2005, at 15:30:59
> >You are a very naughty boy!
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> Hehe, Maxi has a GSOH!
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> ~EdEddy, what's a GSOH? Or, do I even want to know?
Jazzy
Posted by Phillipa on July 7, 2005, at 18:41:47
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!!, posted by Jazzed on July 7, 2005, at 15:47:56
Jazzed, are you and Maximus married in real life? And I want to know what GSOH means too. Now that Ed only has l hr a day on the computer we might have to wait. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Deneb on July 7, 2005, at 19:57:13
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! (nm), posted by Maximus on July 7, 2005, at 10:53:38
Posted by Maximus on July 7, 2005, at 21:16:10
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! » Jazzed, posted by Phillipa on July 7, 2005, at 18:41:47
> Jazzed, are you and Maximus married in real life? And I want to know what GSOH means too. Now
Philippa,
We are not married anymore. Snif:-/ We met each other at University Laval, Québec city. Sweety Jazz is probably the hottest lover known on earth. She is sooo... hummm... incredible. How could i forget this giant dildo and the Popeye position. :-O But the thing is, i have never learned how to enjoy jazz music...
I don't know what is GSOH. This is probably a code for the new Ed's boyfriend in London ;-))
G'night!
Posted by Jazzed on July 7, 2005, at 23:04:05
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! » Jazzed, posted by Phillipa on July 7, 2005, at 18:41:47
> Jazzed, are you and Maximus married in real life? And I want to know what GSOH means too. Now that Ed only has l hr a day on the computer we might have to wait. Fondly, Phillipa
Well, my hubby is A maximus, but he's not THE Maximus! LOL
What's the deal with Eddy? Has rain cut his computer time down already? Needs him elsewhere I guess? Yes, Phillipa, we must know what GSOH means next time he's on.Jazzy
Posted by Jazzed on July 7, 2005, at 23:27:02
In reply to Re: But i Love your boobs!!! » Phillipa, posted by Maximus on July 7, 2005, at 21:16:10
Maxi, now you are in big trouble. I told you we could never discuss this! No one, no one was ever to know. Yes, now it's come out, we were married in Vegas. Just as a hoot, just to make his sweetie mad. We were only married for one day. Didn't even consumate the marriage because his gf about ripped my eyes out!
Phillipa, really I have no idea what he's talking about with the D-thing and the popeye thing. I know he's thinking of that dark eyed, large breasted b*mbo he married after I dumped him in Vegas to go off with Joey Tribiani - you know Dr. Drake Remore?!
But he's right, I am incredible. My husband, Joey Tribiani, tells me every night, every single night!
Jazzy
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