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Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 7:49:33
In reply to Re: Sorry, Gabbi darling P.S. » Larry Hoover, posted by alexandra_k on May 23, 2005, at 5:37:49
> > Australian shepherd.
>
> Is that the breed that is really american???Before I go on, I'd like to say that I am not a dog expert. I find the genetics fascinating (genetype), and breeds also (phenotype). It is the interplay of genotype and phenotype that fascinates.
Genotypy is the specific form of the DNA; which variant, if you will. At a specific gene, sometimes there can be dozens of versions of the DNA (called alleles) coding for a specific trait (e.g. coat or eye colour). Phenotypy is appearance. Sometimes a phenotype can be produced by different, distinctive gene combinations. Usually, though, a stable phenotype (such as a breed) is produced by a stable genotype. That occurs only through inbreeding and selection, which stabilizes the genes.
Back to the Australian Shepherd. A quick google search confirmed it.....an American "invention", and one so recent the breed has not stabilized genetically. An interesting quirk is the preference for a merle coat pattern, pictured here: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/australianshepherd.htm
As the gene that confers the merle coat also contributes to blindness/deafness, the herding capability of the dog seems to be secondary to its appearance. It's a dog show dog.
> I saw one recently.
> They look quite cool.
> Kind of border collie like..The only one I had seen looked like a border collie, as well. Shorter coat, shorter muzzle. Same mesmerizing eyes.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 7:52:45
In reply to Re: Sorry, Gabbi darling (nm) » Gabbi-x-2, posted by Larry Hoover on May 22, 2005, at 23:22:34
There are three possible choices remaining for the answer to the question, which breed is most like the genetic progenator of dogs, the wolf.
Is it:
Russian wolfhound?
poodle?
shar-pei?Lar
Posted by Toph on May 23, 2005, at 9:15:36
In reply to Re: Only three choices left....better odds!, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 7:52:45
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 10:06:42
In reply to Isn't a shar-pei a kind of ink pen? (nm), posted by Toph on May 23, 2005, at 9:15:36
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 10:08:27
In reply to might i play?, posted by chemist on May 23, 2005, at 7:44:20
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> > Probably I did, but I haven't had the last questioner confirm my reply as correct.
> >
> > Lar
>
> is the show still on? yours, cCorrectly answer my question, and the show becomes yours.
It is down to three, from six. I have posed one correct answer among five others. Three of those five have been eliminated.
It looks good for you, dude, even if you guess.
Lar
Posted by sunny10 on May 23, 2005, at 10:52:16
In reply to Re: might i play? » chemist, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 10:08:27
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 12:43:31
In reply to Re: poodle (nm) » Larry Hoover, posted by sunny10 on May 23, 2005, at 10:52:16
Posted by Shy_Girl on May 23, 2005, at 12:57:08
In reply to Re: Nope. Down to two! (nm) » sunny10, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 12:43:31
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:00:30
In reply to Re: Wow...this is quite the Q..I know, but cheated (nm), posted by Shy_Girl on May 23, 2005, at 12:57:08
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:05:08
In reply to Re: Wow...this is quite the Q [major grin] (nm) » Shy_Girl, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:00:30
Russian wolfhound, or shar-pei?
Posted by sunny10 on May 23, 2005, at 13:14:09
In reply to 50/50 now, peoples, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:05:08
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:21:57
In reply to Re: sharpei, wolfhound sounds too obvious (nm) » Larry Hoover, posted by sunny10 on May 23, 2005, at 13:14:09
Before I confirm it is right or not.
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:25:48
In reply to Ruling: Does someone get two guesses?, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:21:57
I think one guess per person per question is the fair thing.
Posted by sunny10 on May 23, 2005, at 13:33:02
In reply to Re: Ruling: Does someone get two guesses? » Larry Hoover, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:25:48
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:40:59
In reply to Re: so ask another question... (nm) » Larry Hoover, posted by sunny10 on May 23, 2005, at 13:33:02
This one isn't answered yet.
The issue I raised is not one that relates to the answer. It relates to multiple answers by a single participant.
Upon reflection, I think your second response is invalid, as you have already had a chance to answer the question.
I have neither verified nor denied your second response. Others may use your thoughts as potential guidance, at their peril.
The question remains unanswered, although valid responses have narrowed it down to two possibilities. Russian wolfhound or shar-pei. Which is closer genetically to the wolf?
Lar
Posted by Shy_Girl on May 23, 2005, at 14:15:59
In reply to Re: Ruling: Does someone get two guesses? » Larry Hoover, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:25:48
Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on May 23, 2005, at 16:26:52
In reply to Re: same question, still unanswered » sunny10, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:40:59
> This one isn't answered yet.
>
> The issue I raised is not one that relates to the answer. It relates to multiple answers by a single participant.
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> Upon reflection, I think your second response is invalid, as you have already had a chance to answer the question.
>
> I have neither verified nor denied your second response. Others may use your thoughts as potential guidance, at their peril.
>
> The question remains unanswered, although valid responses have narrowed it down to two possibilities. Russian wolfhound or shar-pei. Which is closer genetically to the wolf?
>
> LarThat sounded like a computer generated post..
Or are you pretending to be R2D2?
Posted by TamaraJ on May 23, 2005, at 19:09:04
In reply to Re: same question, still unanswered » sunny10, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 13:40:59
they are barkless.
Larry, if sharpei is not the right answer, I think you should probably ask another question, since ya stumped us :-)
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 19:53:32
In reply to I was leaning towards the sharpei, mostly because » Larry Hoover, posted by TamaraJ on May 23, 2005, at 19:09:04
> they are barkless.
>
> Larry, if sharpei is not the right answer, I think you should probably ask another question, since ya stumped us :-)Well, I'm glad someone spoke up. It had gotten to be a rather narrow field.
You are correct.
What would you have thought about Pekingese? Or shih-tzu? They are of the same close relationship to the wolf. So is the chow-chow, akita, basenji and saluki. Although the malamute and husky were included in the list of closest relatives, there is some contention with respect to their inclusion. They are known to have been bred by/with wolves in historical times, which would artificially inflate the genetic linkage.
It's all in Science, Vol 304, Issue 5674, 1160-1164 , 21 May 2004.
Your question Tamara.
Lar
Posted by TamaraJ on May 23, 2005, at 19:59:14
In reply to Re: I was leaning towards the sharpei, mostly because » TamaraJ, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 19:53:32
question since she had said already said sharpei? That would be my preference, if you don't mind.
I liked your question. BWT, my dog, a pound puppy, is part sharpei and basenji (with some shiba inu mixed in there).
Tamara
Posted by Jai Narayan on May 23, 2005, at 20:00:40
In reply to don't you call me darling when you say I'm wrong, posted by Gabbi-x-2 on May 22, 2005, at 23:55:30
and you are such a darling....
we all love you.
you know that right?
Jai
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 22:20:19
In reply to Actually Larry, could I ask Sunny to pose the next » Larry Hoover, posted by TamaraJ on May 23, 2005, at 19:59:14
> question since she had said already said sharpei? That would be my preference, if you don't mind.
Certainly. Fine with me.
> I liked your question.
Thanks. :-)
> BWT, my dog, a pound puppy, is part sharpei and basenji (with some shiba inu mixed in there).
>
> TamaraSounds like an interesting blend. I've never had a dog.
Lar
Posted by TamaraJ on May 23, 2005, at 22:25:03
In reply to Re: Actually Larry, could I ask Sunny to pose the next » TamaraJ, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 22:20:19
Posted by alexandra_k on May 24, 2005, at 2:24:20
In reply to Re: I was leaning towards the sharpei, mostly because » TamaraJ, posted by Larry Hoover on May 23, 2005, at 19:53:32
At least I was in the 'what dog are you' thread.
> > they are barkless.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Put me out of my misery now!
Barkless???
But they can write, eh????
;-)
Posted by Toph on May 24, 2005, at 10:02:01
In reply to Re: Hey, I'm a sharpei!, posted by alexandra_k on May 24, 2005, at 2:24:20
> At least I was in the 'what dog are you' thread.
>
> > > they are barkless.
>
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
> Put me out of my misery now!
> Barkless???
> But they can write, eh????
> ;-)
>
>
>
alex, a Shar-Pei? Let's see, according to the American Kennel Club, a Shar-Pei's temperment is:
Regal, alert, intelligent, dignified, lordly, scowling, sober and snobbish essentially independent and somewhat standoffish with strangers, but extreme in his devotion to his family. The Shar-Pei stands firmly on the ground with a calm, confident stature.Well, they got the snobbish part right! lol ; ) Toph
http://www.akc.org/breeds/chinese_shar_pei/index.cfm
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