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Posted by Racer on July 6, 2003, at 22:00:04
In reply to Meet RACER: Poster Child For Mental Health ; ) » Racer, posted by zenhussy on July 6, 2003, at 21:39:07
Only thing I worry about with the booze, Miss ZenHussy, is that it does diminish inhibitions. I know that drinking helps me decide that dying is easier than living, and at times I've opened bottles specifically to make it possible to carry out my plans. If you're not in that place, then just be careful it doesn't escort you to that place.
Otherwise, I can only recommend lifting a glass, and wishing comfort and love to a little eight year old girl who's lost her father.
Posted by zenhussy on July 6, 2003, at 22:29:05
In reply to Re: Meet RACER: Poster Child For Mental Health ; ) » zenhussy, posted by Racer on July 6, 2003, at 22:00:04
> Only thing I worry about with the booze, Miss ZenHussy, is that it does diminish inhibitions. I know that drinking helps me decide that dying is easier than living, and at times I've opened bottles specifically to make it possible to carry out my plans. If you're not in that place, then just be careful it doesn't escort you to that place.
>
> Otherwise, I can only recommend lifting a glass, and wishing comfort and love to a little eight year old girl who's lost her father.I hear you on the lowering of inhibitions. I'm not currently in that space but when I am in that space of choosing when to die I do have a large support network set up and various forms of help lined up to keep me from seeing any of my best laid plans come to fruition. There are even a couple of people who would step on a plane to come kick my ass should I be in that dark 'I want death' hole. I know that sounds counterproductive but for me it lets me know people do care enough to travel to get angry with me for not trying other things before throwing in the towel.
No glasses lifted tonight. Made a good supper for mum and myself. Walked the dog for the next door neighbour, a kind woman in her eighties who is currently ill so she can't get out to walk her little dog. Cleaned up the kitchen. Did some laundry for mum. Got a box together and some newspapers to begin packing the stuff that won't fit in luggage to ship home through snail mail. Have drawn up a bath that is calling out my name. A tub without a bottle of wine? Yeah. It IS possible and rather nice to know I am not 'needing' the booze to get through but instead just being a twit with the nightly drinking over the past couple of weeks.
I gladly accept the comfort and love for my inner eight year old who NEEDS to grieve terribly and at least I have begun.
Now for you I wish peace and strength for sticking around until your head is clearer and then make your big decisions.
Huzzorama with a touch of zen
Posted by whiterabbit on July 6, 2003, at 22:30:40
In reply to Re: Meet RACER: Poster Child For Mental Health ; ) » zenhussy, posted by Racer on July 6, 2003, at 22:00:04
Racer you might remember me, Gracie. (I changed my posting name in a lame attempt to hide from my husband, he would read my posts and get really angry. But now he's divorcing me so who cares what he thinks.) I wrote you a letter but couldn't post it because I couldn't get into PB2000. Then I asked Dr. Bob to let me in there but he said I didn't show up on PB until early 2001 and I have to believe him because my memory is shot. Zen tried to help me out there but I get confused pretty easy these days - meds/stress/age/brain damage - who knows.Anyway are you feeling better?? Let me know how you are, it takes my mind off the crap here at home and I'm also sad because Shar doesn't want to post here anymore and everything is just a mess right now. Like Zen says, I'm lighting a candle for you...
Gracie
Posted by Toph on April 12, 2005, at 15:52:31
In reply to up way too late, drunk, and digging through old..., posted by zenhussy on July 6, 2003, at 2:18:35
You meet the nicest people when you go on vacation. This is one interesting lady. Really nice, though you'd never know it from her year-long banishment from PB. I've looked, but I cannot find the capitol crime she committed. She must have threatened someone or really attacked another poster or something really heinous. Well, PB's loss is PC's gain. She has been so nice to me there that I had to see what she was like here years ago. Seems that she was nice here, too.
Still on vacation.
Toph
Posted by partlycloudy on April 12, 2005, at 18:10:07
In reply to Re: up way too late, drunk, and digging through old..., posted by Toph on April 12, 2005, at 15:52:31
Isn't it amazing how differently people view the same person?
bon vacance,
pc
Posted by Toph on April 13, 2005, at 8:51:56
In reply to Zenhussy from the archives » Toph, posted by partlycloudy on April 12, 2005, at 18:10:07
> Isn't it amazing how differently people view the same person?
>
> bon vacance,
> pcHi pc,
Evidently you both had difficulty communicating at some point in time. We all have different sides to our personalities. Different people under differing circumstances bring out the various personality traits we possess. Then there's the whole possibility for learning and change. It's all very complicated but the same people can indeed see differing sides of someone. I'm glad I met you both.
Toph
Posted by partlycloudy on April 13, 2005, at 9:34:18
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives, posted by Toph on April 13, 2005, at 8:51:56
...and wish you well, but mostly I wish you'd post here more!
pc
Posted by All Done on April 13, 2005, at 10:34:29
In reply to Zenhussy from the archives » Toph, posted by partlycloudy on April 12, 2005, at 18:10:07
> Isn't it amazing how differently people view the same person?
>
> bon vacance,
> pcWow, pc. Was it really necessary to post this?
Apologies if I took your post the wrong way, but I guess I'm just feeling a little defensive of someone I have a great deal of respect and admiration for who, unfortunately, can't post on her own behalf.
Laurie
Posted by partlycloudy on April 13, 2005, at 10:41:21
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives » partlycloudy, posted by All Done on April 13, 2005, at 10:34:29
You know what, it *was* necessary. And I don't appreciate you questioning it, either. This is the place where I am free to express myself, and that is what I am doing.
Did I say anything untoward about Zenhussy in my post to Toph? Can you read something in my words that I didn't write? Please tell me what you saw written there, and I'll be pleased to discuss it with you.pc
Posted by All Done on April 13, 2005, at 10:57:40
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives » All Done, posted by partlycloudy on April 13, 2005, at 10:41:21
> You know what, it *was* necessary. And I don't appreciate you questioning it, either. This is the place where I am free to express myself, and that is what I am doing.
> Did I say anything untoward about Zenhussy in my post to Toph? Can you read something in my words that I didn't write? Please tell me what you saw written there, and I'll be pleased to discuss it with you.
>
> pc
>Did the thought just dawn on you after you read Toph's post about Zen and you decided it belonged in this thread?
If that's the case, I sincerely apologize.
Laurie
Posted by partlycloudy on April 13, 2005, at 12:03:34
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives » partlycloudy, posted by All Done on April 13, 2005, at 10:57:40
I read the entire thread before I posted, as is my usual posting style.
Posted by TofuEmmy on April 13, 2005, at 16:08:08
In reply to Zenhussy from the archives » Toph, posted by partlycloudy on April 12, 2005, at 18:10:07
> Isn't it amazing how differently people view the same person?
>
Alldone - The way that *I* interpreted the post by PC was this:1) Toph posted lovely positive things about Zen
2) PartlyCloudy posted how different people (presumably PartlyCloudy and/or others she knows the opinions of) see that person (Zen) very differently...which would be negatively.I've tried to find another way way to interpret the post. Is there one, PC? I'm hoping so.
em
Posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2005, at 16:28:41
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives » All Done, posted by partlycloudy on April 13, 2005, at 12:03:34
Posted by partlycloudy on April 13, 2005, at 16:31:14
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives, posted by TofuEmmy on April 13, 2005, at 16:08:08
All I'm saying is that we each are able to see and experience different aspects of the same person. I find that in itself quite amazing.
I'm not being positive nor negative - just that my personal experiences differ from Toph's.
And that, ladies, is ALL I said, and ALL I meant.
Posted by partlycloudy on April 13, 2005, at 16:42:16
In reply to Re: be cool (nm) » partlycloudy, posted by AuntieMel on April 13, 2005, at 16:28:41
Posted by gardenergirl on April 13, 2005, at 17:12:54
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives, posted by TofuEmmy on April 13, 2005, at 16:08:08
Good news everyone!
Spamalot is NOT, I repeat, is NOT sold out. I was just able to pretend to purchase tickets for when my 10th anniversary is rolling around in the fall. I might actually buy them after checking with hubby. Or...going out on a major limb...I might actually buy them as a gift (GASP!)
Fly me to the moon.....
gg
Posted by All Done on April 13, 2005, at 17:21:24
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives, posted by partlycloudy on April 13, 2005, at 16:31:14
> All I'm saying is that we each are able to see and experience different aspects of the same person. I find that in itself quite amazing.
So do I.
Please do not post to me.
Posted by TofuEmmy on April 13, 2005, at 18:06:09
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives » partlycloudy, posted by All Done on April 13, 2005, at 17:21:24
Golly! If you know the civility rules inside and out, it seems that people can get away with saying any ole obtuse thing they want.
Although my personal favorite is the insult/fast apology. You can definately say ANYTHING if you apologize fast enough. Try it - it's fun!
btw - if anyone is interested in how Zen is doing....she is doing really well. SO well in fact, that she is a moderator at another site now. She is working hard, and trying to stay ahead of life, like we all are.
em
Posted by henrietta on April 13, 2005, at 20:06:06
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives, posted by TofuEmmy on April 13, 2005, at 18:06:09
Thanks, Emmy. I, too miss Zenhussy, and am glad to hear she's doing well. And I, too, am constantly amazed at how the "civility" rules can be manipulated by bad faith actions without the slightest reprimand. But at least we recognize bad faith when we see it. ALSO, to All Done: Your first post on this thread took the words right out of my mouth. Seriously, that was word for word my response! Be well.
Posted by partlycloudy on April 14, 2005, at 4:39:11
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives, posted by TofuEmmy on April 13, 2005, at 18:06:09
Wow, golly, gee. Gosh darn it.
I think that civility is all about communicating effectively and keeping within the restrictions as defined by the FAQs. I try to keep myself within the guidelines, and sometimes I fail at it.
Ms. Tofu, I ask that you no longer post to me. Thanks.
Posted by TofuEmmy on April 14, 2005, at 10:08:06
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives » TofuEmmy, posted by henrietta on April 13, 2005, at 20:06:06
Hen - I think we are in complete agreement. It's not the civility rules themselves, it's how they are used sometimes.
I actually find myself missing the rule against making people feel hurt when I'm on other websites. I LIKE that one a lot - it's just a really difficult one to enforce. And it's a hard one to follow, especially within a population of people who have been hurt so often themselves.
emmy
Posted by henrietta on April 14, 2005, at 10:41:23
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives » henrietta, posted by TofuEmmy on April 14, 2005, at 10:08:06
I was just thinking the same thing. I like some sort of rules about civility; I've seen places where there are none and it's awful! And just now I was thinking that I can't see any realistic way to prevent the rules from being circumvented. I think I'm coming to the conclusion that I, at least, must accept that even civility rules can't make a place truly safe.
Once I accept that, I may be less apt to become upset when I see people being hurt within the guidelines, and the less upset I get the less likely I am to write hurtful things, myself.
(Can you tell I'm a slow learner?)
hen
Posted by AuntieMel on April 15, 2005, at 14:58:04
In reply to Re: Zenhussy from the archives, posted by TofuEmmy on April 13, 2005, at 16:08:08
To not say anything on this board about anyone posting over there.
AND to not say anything on the other board about people posting over here.
I've wandered over there on occasion to see what people are up to and I *have* seen negative things there about posters here.
Including some that wouldn't pass the civility guidelines over here.
Not throwing any stones from my glass house - just musing that if the topics never came up we'd all be happier.
peace?
Posted by All Done on April 15, 2005, at 15:26:10
In reply to Re: How about if we all agree » TofuEmmy, posted by AuntieMel on April 15, 2005, at 14:58:04
> To not say anything on this board about anyone posting over there.
>
> AND to not say anything on the other board about people posting over here.
>
> I've wandered over there on occasion to see what people are up to and I *have* seen negative things there about posters here.
>
> Including some that wouldn't pass the civility guidelines over here.
>
> Not throwing any stones from my glass house - just musing that if the topics never came up we'd all be happier.
>
> peace?
AuntieMel,I wouldn't have posted any differently if you replaced zen's name with Dinah's, who isn't blocked from this site and, and far as I can see, doesn't post over there. I didn't really feel that it was initially an issue about the two sites. Rather, I saw it as an issue between two people.
That said, I do understand about wanting to minimize conflict between the two sites.
Take care,
Laurie
Posted by Jai Narayan on April 15, 2005, at 15:56:19
In reply to Re: How about if we all agree » TofuEmmy, posted by AuntieMel on April 15, 2005, at 14:58:04
I can't help it I wanna know.
curiosity you how that story goes...
so someone on Babble was talked about on PC?
is that the gist?I know you are above this gossip but I'm not.
so lowly am I that I gotta know...email me if you must
actually love to hear from you in any case.
Ja*
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