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Posted by Glydin on November 19, 2004, at 19:37:11
In reply to Glydin, posted by partlycloudy on November 19, 2004, at 19:26:08
> What I've noticed is that I'm getting better at talking about something without really talking about it, if you get me.
~~~Absolutely, I consider it a wonderful (and, unfortunately... needed) skill.
Posted by Glydin on November 19, 2004, at 19:46:02
In reply to Re: partlycloudy---, posted by Glydin on November 19, 2004, at 19:21:20
> ~~~Yep, who wants their name on the blackboard when the teacher's away, even when 9 times out of ten, the teacher comes back and marks it off due to being no reason for it to be there in the first place? I'm really sorry that happened to you.
~~~Meant to add: So wish the teacher would take away all the chalk since the blackboard isn't gonna come down.Think I'll shut up now.
Posted by partlycloudy on November 19, 2004, at 19:49:42
In reply to Talk around example---, posted by Glydin on November 19, 2004, at 19:46:02
It's gotten so I can ONLY talk in metaphors, and it comes naturally, i've been doing it for so long. now that's scary.
Posted by Glydin on November 19, 2004, at 19:54:08
In reply to Re: Talk around example--- » Glydin, posted by partlycloudy on November 19, 2004, at 19:49:42
Takes skill, really does.
Posted by AdaGrace on November 20, 2004, at 7:51:20
In reply to partlycloudy---, posted by Glydin on November 19, 2004, at 15:02:18
PC,
I just traced this story, and I am very sorry this happened to you. I understood exactly what you were saying and realized that you were speaking from your heart about your own ideas, and in no way was I offended, and I really don't think anyone else was either, but that is just "my opinion". I haven't been to the Admin board for weeks until today, and certainly haven't posted there since my pbc's and subsequent block. As for the faith board, I stay away from there as well. Due to the things going on over at admin. I just don't trust myself to say things the way others would like me to say them, I guess I don't know how. Since Babble is my only source of therapy right now, I am afraid to be banned again. It was too hard the last time.
PC, you are a very kind generous person and again, I am sorry this happened.
Posted by partlycloudy on November 20, 2004, at 12:30:48
In reply to Re: partlycloudy---, posted by AdaGrace on November 20, 2004, at 7:51:20
i hate myself
Posted by dazedandconfused on November 20, 2004, at 13:14:45
In reply to Re: partlycloudy--- » AdaGrace, posted by partlycloudy on November 20, 2004, at 12:30:48
Hey there PC,
I have not been posting much lately but HAD to respond to this post. Please don't hate yourself. YOU have worked way too hard and come way too far to let this get you down. You are a blessing to all of here at Babble and I have watched you progress so much through your posts these last few months. I am not even going to research the origination of this post because I am certain it will just upset me.Please give yourself a big hug and pat on the back for all the progress you have made.
dazed
Posted by Glydin on November 20, 2004, at 13:18:55
In reply to Re: partlycloudy--- » AdaGrace, posted by partlycloudy on November 20, 2004, at 12:30:48
Please try to not feel hate for yourself. I don't know you well but, I like you already. I feel NO reason for your PBC - I feel it was uncalled for and I think a number agree with me.
Be good to you---
Posted by partlycloudy on November 20, 2004, at 14:22:57
In reply to Re: partlycloudy---, posted by Glydin on November 20, 2004, at 13:18:55
thank you. i went to my first aa meeting today in 4 years. bawled my eyes out in front of everyone. feel like something you would scrape off the bottom of your shoe. thank heavens i see my new therapist on monday, it is going to be quite a workout.
Posted by KaraS on November 20, 2004, at 14:29:36
In reply to Re: partlycloudy--- » AdaGrace, posted by partlycloudy on November 20, 2004, at 12:30:48
> i hate myself
((PC)),Please don't turn your anger and emotional upset inward in this case. You are totally justified in feeling abused here! Just try to keep in mind that different mental health problems can manifest in different ways. Sometimes they lead people to do things that cause pain to others. The posts that are brought up for "review" are not really the issue here. They are just excuses for getting attention. I know it's hard but try to see it for what it really is and let it go. The less we reward that behavior, the better off we'll all be.
Kara
P.S. I really enjoy reading your thoughtful posts.
Posted by KaraS on November 20, 2004, at 15:03:21
In reply to Re: partlycloudy---, posted by partlycloudy on November 20, 2004, at 14:22:57
PC,
I just found out there is a part 2 here. I read further and saw the messages about your PBC. Totally unfair IMHO. If something like your post gets a PBC, then there is no point to the Faith Board at all. It's a sham if people can't speak about how they really feel. Please try not to take it personally though. It's just Dr. Bob and his agenda to keep this board as safe as possible for everyone. Unfortunately, his overvigilance sometimes hurts and makes posters feel unsafe here - which really defeats the purpose.K
Posted by verne on November 20, 2004, at 18:30:04
In reply to Re: partlycloudy--- » partlycloudy, posted by KaraS on November 20, 2004, at 14:29:36
Kara,
I agree completely. I think I've finally run out of metaphors so let me recycle: "Don't take the Bait", "Don't rise to the Bait", and "Don't wrestle with the Pig". Or in deep Bible-Belt venacular: "Don't claim it"
The idea, of course, is to not give power to the one trying to provoke us. Resist the Provoker and sign not any packages from him.
I am suddenly so burned out with this place. I don't really trust socializing with others online and get even less out of arguing everything from theology, politics, or semantics. "Faith is a "tool"." "No, Faith isn't a tool". "Uh,Uh, Faith is a tool". Reminds me how I drove others off the brink with my "Caine Mutiny" analogy. I can really dig in my heels (insert more cliches and mixed metaphors here).
Yet I'm lonely, bored, stir-crazy, and depressed and end up here after following the course of least resistance - something between a nosedive and a tailspin. I quit cymbalta and I'm drinking again. Too dangerous to do both.
verne
Posted by Glydin on November 20, 2004, at 19:12:10
In reply to Re: partlycloudy--- » KaraS, posted by verne on November 20, 2004, at 18:30:04
But I'll ask it anyway---
Do we really think it will improve? "THE" situation right now, that is? I'm confused and disappointed and just not understanding why this behavior is allowed as it's currently happening. I've been here a while and there always seems to be "something". This one really effects me, I'm sorry to say. I really like so many here, but I can't seem to ignore the yucky stuff. My issue, but it does sadden me.
Posted by Glydin on November 20, 2004, at 19:14:46
In reply to Re: partlycloudy---, posted by partlycloudy on November 20, 2004, at 14:22:57
Truly wishing you the best.
I consider a good cry an emotional enema and sometimes, is just what's needed.
Posted by gardenergirl on November 20, 2004, at 21:41:24
In reply to Re: partlycloudy---, posted by Glydin on November 20, 2004, at 19:14:46
Sorry that hurt so much. And I'm sorry that Dr. Bob PBC'd you. Mostly because I agree with everything you said. And I did not see how anyone could interpret that you were referring to any one person or group.
I could hear the thunder all the way up here. I hope the storm has passed and cleansed the air.
Take care,
gg
Posted by alexandra_k on November 20, 2004, at 22:35:37
In reply to ((((((((PC)))))))), posted by gardenergirl on November 20, 2004, at 21:41:24
I think I understand the reason for the PBC. You aren't allowed to post anything on the faith board that makes it sound as though there is one true religion or god or whatever. Sometimes that means people get civility warnings for posting from the bible.
So tolerance of peoples different faiths is kinda the motto of the board.
I do see how somebody who adheres to a religion could take offence from what you said in the sense that they may feel that becuase they follow an established religion they are closed minded etc.
I do not think that that was what you were intending to convey. I understand why you are confused about the PBC (as I was confused about a couple of mine). The faith board can be a minefield indeed, but I hope you stay anyway :-)
Posted by KaraS on November 20, 2004, at 23:00:48
In reply to Re: partlycloudy--- » KaraS, posted by verne on November 20, 2004, at 18:30:04
> Kara,
>
> I agree completely. I think I've finally run out of metaphors so let me recycle: "Don't take the Bait", "Don't rise to the Bait", and "Don't wrestle with the Pig". Or in deep Bible-Belt venacular: "Don't claim it"
>
> The idea, of course, is to not give power to the one trying to provoke us. Resist the Provoker and sign not any packages from him.All very well said. I've never heard the "wrestle with the pig" one but it works for me.
> I am suddenly so burned out with this place. I don't really trust socializing with others online
It's like anything else when/where you have to deal with different people and personalities. I try to stick with the people I enjoy and respect and not let the others get to me. Of course that's not always so easy but by and large it works. For some reason I'm very good at that on-line but terrible at it in the work place. Also, there are times I need this place more and other times when I need to be alone more. The support can be great when you need it though. A lot of people here, including me, would miss you if you left.
and get even less out of arguing everything from theology, politics, or semantics. "Faith is a "tool"." "No, Faith isn't a tool". "Uh,Uh, Faith is a tool". Reminds me how I drove others off the brink with my "Caine Mutiny" analogy. I can really dig in my heels (insert more cliches and mixed metaphors here).
I don't enjoy arguing or even discussing religion or politics yet I feel compelled to do so. It puts my stomach in knots and makes my blood boil - and for what? It doesn't change anybody's mind.
>
> Yet I'm lonely, bored, stir-crazy, and depressed and end up here after following the course of least resistance - something between a nosedive and a tailspin. I quit cymbalta and I'm drinking again. Too dangerous to do both.
I'm sooooo sorry to hear that. I would give anything to find an AD that worked for me but I understand that I don't have a problem with alcohol - which complicates the situation a lot. At any rate, you know that Cymbalta works for you and that it will still be there when you're ready to go back.Peace,
Kara
Posted by KaraS on November 20, 2004, at 23:10:02
In reply to Nonanswerable question---, posted by Glydin on November 20, 2004, at 19:12:10
> But I'll ask it anyway---
>
> Do we really think it will improve? "THE" situation right now, that is? I'm confused and disappointed and just not understanding why this behavior is allowed as it's currently happening. I've been here a while and there always seems to be "something". This one really effects me, I'm sorry to say. I really like so many here, but I can't seem to ignore the yucky stuff. My issue, but it does sadden me.
I think it will improve as far as the individual targets are concerned. The troublemaker(s) can still do their thing but if you're able not to buy into it, it has less power over you. Then, if enough people don't react, it's only Dr. Bob's problem at that point. For the rest of us, the beast will have no teeth.I honestly don't think it would bother me to have any of my posts submitted for review at this point - unless it came from someone I admired and respected and considered a friend. When it comes from someone who does it indiscriminately, then it would be annoying to me rather than hurtful.
I only wish I could be this way in the real world. I'm extremely rejection sensitive in many other ways and esp. in the work world. Go figure.
But, all in all, I think Dr. Bob is failing us by allowing this situation to go on and by feeding into it further.
Posted by SLS on November 20, 2004, at 23:35:39
In reply to Re: Nonanswerable question--- » Glydin, posted by KaraS on November 20, 2004, at 23:10:02
Hi.
> But, all in all, I think Dr. Bob is failing us by allowing this situation to go on and by feeding into it further.
I think the doctor has addressed the situation with the second of his 3 post rules. It seems to be helping.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041027/msgs/407882.html
- Scott
Posted by KaraS on November 21, 2004, at 1:09:39
In reply to Re: Nonanswerable question---, posted by SLS on November 20, 2004, at 23:35:39
> Hi.
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> > But, all in all, I think Dr. Bob is failing us by allowing this situation to go on and by feeding into it further.
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> I think the doctor has addressed the situation with the second of his 3 post rules. It seems to be helping.
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041027/msgs/407882.html
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> - Scott
Perhaps I am being too harsh in judging Dr. Bob here. He is obviously trying to deal with the situation and it isn't an easy one. I just get very upset when I see many good people suffering needlessly here at a site they come to for support. When Dr. Bob gives a PBC for a post like PC's, then I think he is feeding into the problem. IMO it is a harmless post particularly when read in its entirety. Taking a phrase out of context does not give the full picture here of the intent of her post.Kara
Posted by verne on November 21, 2004, at 2:20:04
In reply to Re: Nonanswerable question--- » SLS, posted by KaraS on November 21, 2004, at 1:09:39
Kara,
You and I are on the same page on this one.
I wonder about the combination of hot topic boards like "Faith" and civility guidelines that encourage strife. I wonder about this set-up.
I'm thinking PuppetMaster and OK Corral.
verne
Posted by KaraS on November 21, 2004, at 3:16:20
In reply to PuppetMaster » KaraS, posted by verne on November 21, 2004, at 2:20:04
Posted by verne on November 21, 2004, at 3:29:03
In reply to PuppetMaster » KaraS, posted by verne on November 21, 2004, at 2:20:04
My problem with this site is mostly with the "set", the enclosure. I like movies, and all and love to play pretend, but my frolic is interrupted when I'm cramped...
Here we have several "corrals" and rules about guests. Add to that a supreme being - don't worry it's still a western - add more supreme being - don't worry, it's still science-fiction.
well, love.
I can't express the love or hurt I feel. Just wishing, hoping. I'm not kidding or sarcastic.
I called someone back on the Pacific Zone, back when, nice to touch base, hurts. I'm really just looking for a lost love.
In alot of pain. It hurts so much.
Posted by verne on November 21, 2004, at 4:13:57
In reply to OK Corral, posted by verne on November 21, 2004, at 3:29:03
I called the "West Coast". If you're from Iowa you know this doesn't mean anything. This was deeply meaningless.
Sure, I'm looking for a girl in Seattle. That doesn't stop me from calling Seaside, Or and carpetsweeping anyone who answers. I tried to squeeze some answers out of the fruit who answered, he was evasive, and I settle for some lint.
I'm still in a quandry.
I'm losing it. If anyone wants to contact me I'm at verne@lisco.com. I don't think this format is healthy - with the "stages", the "Ok Corrals" and the "Little Problem". Hey, it ain't the Andromeda Strain or is it something worse?
Posted by partlycloudy on November 21, 2004, at 4:34:10
In reply to PuppetMaster » KaraS, posted by verne on November 21, 2004, at 2:20:04
one of my favourite RH books.
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