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Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 8:57:32
In reply to Re: Please leave Texas out of it :( » Sad Panda, posted by AuntieMel on November 7, 2004, at 15:38:30
> He wasn't born here, wasn't educated (using the word loosely) here, and it's a put-on accent.
>
> I'm a born-and-bred Texan and proud of it, but Canada is looking pretty good to me, too. Or maybe Perth.
>
>Sorry AuntieMel, Of course Bush doesn't represent what an average Texan or American is like & I hope that you don't think that my prime minister is anything like a typical Australian! :)
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 9:07:53
In reply to Re: Please leave Texas out of it :( » AuntieMel, posted by KaraS on November 7, 2004, at 16:20:09
> Canada is looking pretty good to me, too. Or maybe Perth.
>
>Perth is getting pretty dry, a 20% drop in rainfall in the last decade means they are using desalinization plants to produced drink water. Brisbane would be the pick for best city to live in Australia.
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by AuntieMel on November 8, 2004, at 10:27:32
In reply to Re: Please leave Texas out of it :( » AuntieMel, posted by KaraS on November 7, 2004, at 16:20:09
No, when I asked people to vote for him it was to keep him OUT of Texas. It was supposed to be a joke.
Posted by AuntieMel on November 8, 2004, at 10:32:49
In reply to Perth, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 9:07:53
What does Brisbane have that Perth doesn't? Besides water?
I spent a few days in Perth on business a few years ago. I had gone to China, and my boss said 'as long as you're in the neighborhood could you go the Perth office? Ha! Neighborhood!
Anyway, I just fell in love with Perth. The scenery was much like Southern CA. without the crowds, and the folks there seemed a lot like Texans in attitude, just with a funny accent. I came home and told hubby I'd picked our retirement spot.
I didn't realize you were an aussie. Remind me to tell you about my stay in Kings Cross on the way back.....
Posted by AuntieMel on November 8, 2004, at 10:34:35
In reply to Sorry! :( » AuntieMel, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 8:57:32
All of what I said was true, but I was really just trying you yank your chain.
Is it possible to get Uggs there? It's nearly impossible here.....
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 8, 2004, at 16:40:11
In reply to Perth, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 9:07:53
My counsellor suggested this to me, today....
If I wanted to live in a theocracy, I'd have moved to Iran.
Lar
Posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 17:10:09
In reply to New bumpersticker?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 8, 2004, at 16:40:11
My sentiments precisely!
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 20:21:12
In reply to Re: Sorry! - no need » Sad Panda, posted by AuntieMel on November 8, 2004, at 10:34:35
> All of what I said was true, but I was really just trying you yank your chain.
>Thanks! I haven't had my chain yanked for along time. :)
> Is it possible to get Uggs there? It's nearly impossible here.....
>Uggs? You are going to have to translate this from Texan to English for me. :P
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 20:38:15
In reply to Re: Perth » Sad Panda, posted by AuntieMel on November 8, 2004, at 10:32:49
> What does Brisbane have that Perth doesn't? Besides water?
>Location! Brisbane is centrally located to all the places you would want to see. Perth is surrounded by desert.
> I spent a few days in Perth on business a few years ago. I had gone to China, and my boss said 'as long as you're in the neighborhood could you go the Perth office? Ha! Neighborhood!
>
> Anyway, I just fell in love with Perth. The scenery was much like Southern CA. without the crowds, and the folks there seemed a lot like Texans in attitude, just with a funny accent. I came home and told hubby I'd picked our retirement spot.
>That would pretty much sum up Perth, like SoCal but without the luxury of water. Australians often get compared with Texans.
> I didn't realize you were an aussie. Remind me to tell you about my stay in Kings Cross on the way back.....
>I can imagine! Kings Cross is not a place I would suggest that tourists should see. :)
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by KaraS on November 9, 2004, at 0:03:45
In reply to Re: Please leave Texas out of it :( » KaraS, posted by AuntieMel on November 8, 2004, at 10:27:32
> No, when I asked people to vote for him it was to keep him OUT of Texas. It was supposed to be a joke.
I see. I hadn't read the whole thread... (Well, on the bright side, he won't be in Texas full-time for at least 4 more years.)K
Posted by AuntieMel on November 9, 2004, at 12:12:18
In reply to Re: Perth » AuntieMel, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 20:38:15
I know you can't reply here (but if you want my email is auntiemel at gmail dotcom) but hopefully you're still reading.
Uggs are shoes. Australian sheepskin shoes. Normally I'm not much of a shoe person (I usually have about 4 pair - one pair for each different need) but Uggs are supposed to be very, very comfortable. They have the sheep fleece on the inside, with fleece insoles and are designed to be worn barefoot. I'll spend money for comfort!
It sounds like Perth is still the choice for me. Brisbane looks a bit *too* crowded and *too* easily travelled to. It could just be the stress of working in the city, but right now remote sounds very good.
Dry? evem more like So. Cal. It wouldn't be green without irrigation - and is often involved in water disputes with the states up river. I think I could deal with that. Getting used to the maggot spitting blow flies might be a different story.....
What sounds good to me is a place up in the hills - preferably on a couple of acres - with a view of the ocean. Ahhh, I can dream...
Kings Cross was an accident (imagine the look on the cabby's face when I told him to drive me there!) but it was a real hoot when I realized where I was. I didn't get to sample much of the night life 'cause I had an early plane out, but I did waunder around and people watch.
Posted by MKB on November 9, 2004, at 12:32:56
In reply to New bumpersticker?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 8, 2004, at 16:40:11
I don't think anybody in the U.S. wants to live in a theocracy. I, however, do not want to have to be constantly bombarded with images, people, laws, textbooks, etc. that force me to silently accept a morality that I find offensive. It's complicated and won't be solved here. As long as we have majority rule, learn to be content. This is not the same as a theocracy.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 9, 2004, at 15:13:30
In reply to Re: New bumpersticker? » Larry Hoover, posted by MKB on November 9, 2004, at 12:32:56
> I don't think anybody in the U.S. wants to live in a theocracy. I, however, do not want to have to be constantly bombarded with images, people, laws, textbooks, etc. that force me to silently accept a morality that I find offensive. It's complicated and won't be solved here. As long as we have majority rule, learn to be content. This is not the same as a theocracy.
Please accept my apologies. I broke my own rule about not discussing religion or politics. And I did so, both at the same time.
Lar
Posted by MKB on November 9, 2004, at 21:38:35
In reply to Re: New bumpersticker? » MKB, posted by Larry Hoover on November 9, 2004, at 15:13:30
For sure, your apology is accepted, even though it was not necessary.
Lately, I get the feeling that quite a few Americans are ready to ditch democracy just because they didn't get their way. I wish they would find a more mature way to deal with it.
Posted by AuntieMel on November 10, 2004, at 16:33:34
In reply to Re: New bumpersticker? » Larry Hoover, posted by MKB on November 9, 2004, at 12:32:56
Hopefully we *don't* always have majority rule. Otherwise the rights of the minority position will get trampled.
Posted by MKB on November 10, 2004, at 16:51:34
In reply to Re: not majority rule » MKB, posted by AuntieMel on November 10, 2004, at 16:33:34
Are you saying you don't agree with the concept of majority rule? Majority rule to me does not mean the minority gets trampled.
Posted by AuntieMel on November 11, 2004, at 11:00:36
In reply to Re: not majority rule, posted by MKB on November 10, 2004, at 16:51:34
I'm saying that "pure" majority rule can lead to the rights of others being trampled. This is why the US constitution made this a republic, not a democracy. The majority picks people to represent them, but in theory at least the representatives are supposed to consider the whole picture along with their constituants.
I can't think of a case of a true democracy that has ever succeeded.
If it were truly majority rule, then people like the one that wrote this article would take away the rights of the minority in a heartbeat. (The article was in papers in the US yesterday. I picked this copy of it because it doesn't require registration.)
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/cgi-bin/printme.pl
ironic - the right to publish this is supported by the aclu.
Posted by AuntieMel on November 11, 2004, at 11:15:01
In reply to Re: not majority rule, posted by MKB on November 10, 2004, at 16:51:34
I tried to put in the printer friendly version. It's easier to read. New link:
http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/stories/110904/opi_110904019.shtml
Posted by AuntieMel on November 11, 2004, at 11:17:25
In reply to Re: not majority rule, posted by MKB on November 10, 2004, at 16:51:34
http://www.congotimes.com/news/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/000099.html
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 11, 2004, at 15:47:57
In reply to same link, easier to read » MKB, posted by AuntieMel on November 11, 2004, at 11:17:25
Okay this too is a reality in our country.
It does give me a scare.
I still believe that there were many more blue states but something happened to co-opt our election on the way to democracy.
keep the faith AuntieMel.
I right there beside you.
Jai
Posted by MKB on November 11, 2004, at 16:40:32
In reply to Re: not majority rule » MKB, posted by AuntieMel on November 11, 2004, at 11:00:36
Regardless of the semantics, I believe in our form of government. I agree that the Constitution must be followed, even though some things are not as simple as they used to be. I do not agree with everything George Bush does, but I am happy with the outcome of the election. If Kerry had won, I would not be complaining, talking about my rights being trampled, making accusations of stolen elections, etc. It is because of my faith in God that I know "all things work together for good to those who love Him and are called according to His purpose," so that nothing shakes me. I am sorry you are feeling shaken. I hope your faith in our system can somehow be restored. By the way, it is the U.S.Constitution, not the ACLU, that guarantees the right to free speech. And now I will exit this discussion and let you all continue...
Posted by AuntieMel on November 12, 2004, at 12:15:38
In reply to Re: not majority rule » AuntieMel, posted by MKB on November 11, 2004, at 16:40:32
I'm not trying to argue here.
Granted I didn't vote for Bush, but I'm really not talking about the election per se. It happened, Bush won, and now it is time to make the best of what we got and make plans for the future.
The majority voted for hime to be our representative, and that is how the system works and I'm ok with it.
As an aside, unrelated to the rest of the conversation, I do believe that there were pockets of election irregularities, but not enough to affect the outcome. I do have to grudgingly admit it was quite clever of Rove to get the gay marriage thing on the ballots of a lot of swing states - it got their base moving to vote. Slick move. I wish we'd thought about something like that :)
I am not talking about rights being trampled by the election. I'm talking more about those on the fringe right *thinking* that they now have the right to anything they want. The Tom Delays and such. The article was just an example of how some on that fringe think. No more, no less.
The court concerns me, not only because Bush and buds have said that they will use the court to pay back the "religious right" whatever the heck that is. I am mostly concerned because one party (note that I would have the same concern if it was the other party) controls the White House *and* the congress. I believe that these positions are of huge import and the vetting process should be thorough. I am hoping we don't get another Thomas, and I would be thrilled if we were to get another Souter or O'Connor. Both of them are thoughful and consider the law, without letting politics influence them.
Now, that was my thinking process from a distance. What I firmly believe is that *all* on the fringes, either side, should start thinking about respecting others and try to see things from their viewpoint. The thing should differentiate us from the rest of the world is tolerance of others.
What good is being the world's only superpower if we don't use it for the good of all?
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 12, 2004, at 12:32:05
In reply to Re: not majority rule » AuntieMel, posted by MKB on November 11, 2004, at 16:40:32
Why are you exiting?
It does seem, that in the end, I do look to my relationship with my higher self ( that which inspires me to grow, expands my vision, helps me live beyond fear etc.) to get me through the hard times.
When I think of the concentration camps...
I am amazed at how Victor E. Frankl was inspired.
Through his dire experience he found meaning.
I have been encouraged by his book, " Man's Search for Meaning: An Introduction to Logotherapy".So here's an example of just what you are talking about.
Prayer does not remove my pain but it seems to teach me how to look at the pain.
Jai
Posted by Sad Panda on November 16, 2004, at 4:39:56
In reply to Re: Perth » Sad Panda, posted by AuntieMel on November 9, 2004, at 12:12:18
Hi AuntieMel,
Looks like I am back.
Both Brisbane & Perth rarely get cold enough for Ugg boots. :) Perth is probably the most isolated city on the planet, so if you want remote, it is the best place to go. Brisbane is pretty far from being crowded, it takes about five minutes to drive through the city, the rest is suburban. I've only been to Sydney once, that is what I call overcrowded. I think a place like NYC would be far to mind blowing for this Aussie.
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by AuntieMel on November 16, 2004, at 8:13:00
In reply to Re: Perth » AuntieMel, posted by Sad Panda on November 16, 2004, at 4:39:56
Welcome back.
Who needs cold? I got them, and I live in south Texas. It looks like summer might have finally ended here and we're into early autumn. We'll have a couple of months of what we call winter and then it will be February - time for spring planting.
It isn't so much that I want remote as much as I want room to breathe. A decent size plot of land with a nice view.
Of course that's what I want right now. I've still got a few years to think it over.
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