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Posted by 64Bowtie on January 29, 2004, at 17:56:50
In reply to Re: Scientology - some history..... » judy1, posted by 64Bowtie on January 29, 2004, at 12:41:01
Werner Erhard of EST and his "Esylon by the Sea" institute at Big Sur near Santa Cruz, CA, was the rage in most of the 1970's. Along came this Sci-Fi writer named L. Ron Hubbard with motives to appeal to the wanting of the undiscovered spirit in folks, and OBTW charge for each discovery.
The plan became a grand one containing at least eight stages of development. It has been calculated that to reach the ruling “Level Eight” of Scientology development, one must have contributed the total amount of at least $100,000, and over a period of not less than 15 years. This indicates that "Level Eights" can vote wisely on the future of Scientology.
Scientology has a secret today. Werner Erhard and Scientology had a falling out sometime between Hubbard's death in 1986, and Scientology publicly chastising Erhard and EST in 1988. In 1991, EST was a skeleton entity whose assets were turned over to "Landmark Education". The secret is that Scientology is the "Tax Free" spiritual entity and "Landmark Education" is the secular and public entity, providing corporate America a new vision.
I will probably get into hassles for saying this here, but I freely quote "Landmark Education" for three reasons:
1. …because Landmark has 18 very quotable goals to provide corporations new vision while prying loose the individual executive from his "stuck thinking". These are quite useful to us all.
2. …because I do not respect L. Ron Hubbard, nor Werner Erhard, and therefore feel released from responsibility.
3. …because Landmark tries to force secrecy onto their new followers and trainees, along with asking more money at each level of membership in "the club", similar to Scientology.
Please don't mistake my sharing with aciduosness. I am not angry with Scientology, Landmark, L Ron Hubbard, or Werner Erhard. I have no personal beef with any of them. My motivation is to imply the wisdom of safely approaching them all cautiously, perhaps with an 11 foot pole.
But that's just my story.......
Rod
Posted by deirdrehbrt on January 29, 2004, at 19:32:47
In reply to Re: Scientology - redirect from Faith board, posted by 64Bowtie on January 29, 2004, at 17:56:50
I wonder how many people have been to MANY Landmark Forums, become coaches, etc. and not known anything about the Scientology connection.
Their programs for children are very good, and are very helpfull. Learning that whatever your problems are, that you still have the ability to do well is a very powerful lesson.
Dee.
Posted by 64Bowtie on January 30, 2004, at 0:22:30
In reply to Re: Scientology - redirect from Faith board, posted by deirdrehbrt on January 29, 2004, at 19:32:47
Thanx for your input.
My contact with Landmmark Education successes goes back to 1997. I remain cautious while I do quote their 18 principle points (as covered by a five day Forum mind-crunch). I don't mean paranoid type cautious. I mean I pick my audience so that I don't end up defending Landmark by name. I frankly am not that fervent. I see parallel uses to their principles, or as examples of parallel points.
I especially like "I don't even know, what I don't even know, that I don't even know" (said way different from them but means the same thing). In the final analysis, what I don't know that I don't know is mostly everything. Reminds me to be humble and act humble, both.
Rod
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 1, 2004, at 3:14:24
In reply to Re: Scientology - redirect from Faith board, posted by 64Bowtie on January 29, 2004, at 17:56:50
sorry, confused » 64Bowtie
Posted by judy1 on January 31, 2004, at 18:45:34
In reply to Re: Scientology - some history..... » judy1, posted by 64Bowtie on January 29, 2004, at 12:41:01
does the Church employ the same structure as Landmark does?- i.e. the levels you were referring too?
thanks again, judy----
Re:Re: =Judy1=The same only different.....lol
Posted by 64Bowtie on February 1, 2004, at 2:00:03
In reply to Redirect: Scientology - some history, posted by Dr. Bob on January 31, 2004, at 18:20:22
Judy,
I better explain the joke...
Landmark is not Tax Free / non-profit. It does have an intrinsic pyramid not too different from Amway or Tupperware. At each level, folowers are "encouraged" (just this side of threatened) to promote. They use "Shame/Blame" rhetoric to coerce promotional performance. They are incessent about asking if we know anyone who could benefit from Landmark.
I am defiantly opposed to their promotional strategies and their secrecy doctrine. I do get their message and repeat whatever I feel like repeating. I have never paid them a dime, nor will I.
Rod
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