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Posted by Gabbi on August 2, 2002, at 21:44:21
In reply to Re: Dignity and DepressionGabby, posted by Peter S. on August 2, 2002, at 19:54:09
Peter, I don't mean to drag you into a conversation, you feel obligated to respond to I just had to comment on the "sleep" syndrome. Thats the well the only time it hits suddenly,it can be in a matter of hours, and when I awaken its that existential pit of loneliness, that drawstring in the stomach as I've heard it described. As opposed to the other forms depression takes.
Its not that I've spent my whole life navel-gazing as it might sound, but having done battle with it for 10 years I've just learned to recognize different signs, and of course still be blind-sided by others.I tried the Buddhist surrendering as well, and I thought it was the answer, until I fell into the "pit" which I never remember how horrifying it is until I'm in it. No answer for me there either. Oh to just be able to toss it in a bag and walk away from all this, I get sick of hearing myself talk about it..
Liked your comment about St. Pdoc!!
Depressed people seem to be disproportionately witty when talking about their trials,defence I guess!Take care,
Cheer up (joke)my most hated often heard bit of "wisdom"
Posted by Peter S. on August 2, 2002, at 22:45:15
In reply to Re: Dignity and Depression » Peter S., posted by Gabbi on August 2, 2002, at 21:44:21
Hey Gabbi,
It's good to chat! I think you and I see I to I (sounds like a song) on a number of things. I just took a nap and am now settling gracefully into the goo...
> Peter, I don't mean to drag you into a conversation, you feel obligated to respond to I just had to comment on the "sleep" syndrome. Thats the well the only time it hits suddenly,it can be in a matter of hours, and when I awaken its that existential pit of loneliness, that drawstring in the stomach as I've heard it described. As opposed to the other forms depression takes.
> Its not that I've spent my whole life navel-gazing as it might sound, but having done battle with it for 10 years I've just learned to recognize different signs, and of course still be blind-sided by others.
>
> I tried the Buddhist surrendering as well, and I thought it was the answer, until I fell into the "pit" which I never remember how horrifying it is until I'm in it. No answer for me there either. Oh to just be able to toss it in a bag and walk away from all this, I get sick of hearing myself talk about it..
>
> Liked your comment about St. Pdoc!!
> Depressed people seem to be disproportionately witty when talking about their trials,defence I guess!
>
> Take care,
> Cheer up (joke)my most hated often heard bit of "wisdom"
>
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 0:16:47
In reply to Re: Dignity and Depression » Gabbi, posted by Peter S. on August 2, 2002, at 22:45:15
I could try to make you giggle yourself out of the goo.... I've mentioned this topic before but it never ceases to amaze me and I mean amaze. And also the reason I may never find out if my medication is working or not.
Due to my depression I'm not working, staying with my Dad in a town house complex for people over 60. Well last week we had the powdered laundry soap scandal which required 4 typewritten letters to the townhouse committee. You see some unwitting soul had sinned by using powdered not liquid laundry soap, and this you know has fillers in it and they could possibly congeal and clog the drains and SHOULD this tragedy occur and the plumber needed to be called JUST WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE for paying? ...
There is also a strict rule that everyone plant identical flowers on there identical porches, which overlook a cement parking lot with one aproximately 6 foot square of grass.
Last year when I was visiting I saw a wild rabbit on the 6 foot square of grass and incurred the wrath of the "committee" by encouraging the proliferation of rabbits by feeding it a celery stick because I was just overjoyed to see something animated in this horrible place.
A stern warning was put in my dad's mailbox. Had they been concerned that the rabbit may become used to being supplied food I would have forgiven them but no god forbid anything bouncy enter this tomb.
There are also many lovely signs decorating the parking lot with a red line crossing out a picture of a dog.
No pets ever anytime, even if you have a guest in for an hour they are strictly forbidden to bring any animal with them..and you are risking your tenancy. Thats a quote.I have to laugh at it I have to, its perverse a socially sanctioned way of being absolutely mad and very scary.
I hate the fact the one has to have money to be an idealist.Well there goes gabbi again it was however a sincere though undignified attempt to de-goo you.
Posted by Peter S. on August 3, 2002, at 1:45:16
In reply to Re: Dignity and Depression » Gabbi, posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 0:16:47
Gabbi,
Your message really un-gooed me! I mean for god's sake- no bunnies?! On the other hand I can kind of understand their issues because I've had a lot of traumatizing experiences at the hands (paws) of bunnies over the years. Lambs, puppies, and kittens also terrify me. Seriously though, that sounds like a truly miserable place. I will never understand people who would like nothing better than avoid all things that are not human derived or controlled. My utmost sympathies for having to live in a place like that.
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 2:00:52
In reply to Re: Dignity and Depression » Gabbi, posted by Peter S. on August 3, 2002, at 1:45:16
I had an very enjoyable howl, (undignified yes, but it certainly was no musical chuckle) over your past kitten and lamb traumas
Thanks to you too Peter
Gabbi
Posted by .tabi.T.ha. on August 3, 2002, at 2:16:59
In reply to Re: Dignity and Depression » Peter S., posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 2:00:52
And I don't mean than monty python movie with the killer rabbits. Ever seen 2 bunnies fight? They kick and claw and bite and the fur and blood really flies. Bunnies can kick so hard they can break their own backs.
Ooops, sorry Peter, didn't mean to re-traumatize you ;)
-tabitha
Posted by .tabi.T.ha. on August 3, 2002, at 2:24:45
In reply to laugh if you must, but bunnies can be quite fierce, posted by .tabi.T.ha. on August 3, 2002, at 2:16:59
Lambs are the spawn of satan. You know how in cartoons the lambs are all cute and say "baaaa."?
Well if you've ever seen one in real life you'll know this is pure propaganda. They don't cutely say baaa. They extend their evil Gene Simmons tongues and say "Bleeeeaaahhh!". Really.
Posted by Dinah on August 3, 2002, at 5:58:07
In reply to and lambs, oh my!, posted by .tabi.T.ha. on August 3, 2002, at 2:24:45
LOL Tabitha.
So you're saying the only reason I refuse to eat lambikins and bunnies is because I haven't got to know them yet?
Sounds logical. Chicken is one of the few animals I don't feel guilty about eating because my grandma kept some. After I got to know them well, eating them didn't seem so bad. (Perhaps you can tell I've been traumatized by entering a hencoop.)
Posted by allisonm on August 3, 2002, at 8:04:19
In reply to laugh if you must, but bunnies can be quite fierce, posted by .tabi.T.ha. on August 3, 2002, at 2:16:59
I got kicked by a bunny once and one of its hind toenails punctured my finger deeply. It hurt like hell for quite awhile. Never try to stop a bunny trying to make an escape attempt -- even if it is loose in your automobile...
Posted by Ctrlaltndel : ) on August 3, 2002, at 11:08:54
In reply to Re: laugh if you must, but bunnies can be quite fierce, posted by allisonm on August 3, 2002, at 8:04:19
(\/)
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(")(")_ the little bunny is FREAKED!
Posted by Peter S. on August 3, 2002, at 12:59:44
In reply to Re: and lambs, oh my!, posted by Dinah on August 3, 2002, at 5:58:07
My next door neighbor has chickens-not you're typical farm variety, but big healthy birds. Some are jet black and others are a beautiful shade of orange/gold. They are actually very elegant. I like hanging out with them because they seem so happy go-lucky. They love to scamper around the yard and dig for worms. They are very tame and allow you to pick them up. Every morning they lay eggs and squawk until the big "birth" happens. They are all hens- otherwise the neighbors would be up in arms. Also it's good there are no chicks because these also arouse an ungodly fear in me.
Even though I really like and have grown attached to these birds, yes I still eat chicken- hypocrite that I am. But I admit that it has become a little more difficult lately.
I also am growing tomatoes which have a certain charm of their own. I may be going off salads soon...
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 15:34:48
In reply to Chickens are great ! (not just for eating), posted by Peter S. on August 3, 2002, at 12:59:44
First, we of all people should know just how long a sweet, small, soft animal without the ability to turn into a vicious beastie on occasion would last in this world don't we? (grin)
In the words of piglet "the world can be a scary place if you are one of the smaller animals"I'm a vegetarian, not because I think its wrong to eat meat. It's the way that they are raised in factory conditions for our gluttony that sickens me. But if you want to go out and shoot something and eat it, I couldn't do it, but I respect it.
I've met some free range chickens, and I swear much like children if they have a healthy environment they can actually be really sweet, and form attachments to people. Not that I think thats the basis for eating or not eating something.
And for the lambs. Well actually I saw an Ewe once at a farm, and what Tabitha said is sooo true and funny, they don't bahhh they give you this dead-eyed look, completely vaccuous stare and then kind of go bleahhhp like a prolonged belch. I had to keep going back to watch her do it again, I was having a 7yr old boy type laughing fit.
"dreamer" how do you do that with your drawings, I look at my keyboard and see a keyboard, I won't ever forget that about you.
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 15:40:36
In reply to Re: laugh if you must, but bunnies can be quite fierce, posted by allisonm on August 3, 2002, at 8:04:19
I'm sorry about your war wounds, but your words of wisdom at the end "tickled my funnybone" so to speak. Its like the moral of the story, Winnie the Pooh style..
Never try to catch an escaping bunny even if its loose in your automobile. Words to live by
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 15:42:30
In reply to Re: laugh if you must, but bunnies can be AlisonM, posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 15:40:36
Posted by allisonm on August 3, 2002, at 15:48:51
In reply to Re: laugh if you must, but bunnies can be AlisonM, posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 15:40:36
Yeah, that's the sort of thing that ought to be listed prominently in one of those New-York-Times-
Bestseller-List-type self-help books...I learned a lesson on that one. My finger hurt for days and days.
Posted by Ctrlaltndel : ) on August 3, 2002, at 15:49:06
In reply to Re: In defence of Bunnies and Chickens, posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 15:34:48
I'm a vegetarian ..healthy reason..just don't like the taste anyway..
but if starving I could probably kill a bunny or cute baaa lamb ...
Hey chickens are freaky fierce creatures like demons
CLUCKY CLUCKY get fried in Kentucky.
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 16:08:29
In reply to frisky bunnies and freaky chickens, posted by Ctrlaltndel : ) on August 3, 2002, at 15:49:06
Despite what I foolishly said earlier I'm sure most chickens are irritating stupid things that were created to be eaten.
I don't want you to feel guilty about one more thing in your life, you have the world on your shoulders as it is.Eat Eat..freely please...
LoveGabbi Gabbi
Posted by Dinah on August 3, 2002, at 16:17:45
In reply to Re: freaky chickens Urgent retraction DINAH, posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 16:08:29
How well you know me, Gabbi. But no worries. Nothing on EARTH could erase the memories of innocently entering the henhouse to a whir of chickens all seemingly aimed at my poor unsuspecting 3 year old head. Or the old rooster who chased me (and all the other grandchildren) if we ventured outdoors.
I did like to feed them, once I learned how to throw the food far far away and run like the dickens from those chickens.
But I don't eat soup chickens, because I did a study on animal farming practices in ethics class. And I try not to eat baby veal for the same reason. But I am weak, so weak, when it comes to baby veal. And many of my childhood friends were cows, too. :(
An ever-guilty,
Dinah
Posted by .tabi.T.ha. on August 3, 2002, at 17:49:42
In reply to Re: In defence of Bunnies and Chickens, posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 15:34:48
> And for the lambs. Well actually I saw an Ewe once at a farm, and what Tabitha said is sooo true and funny, they don't bahhh they give you this dead-eyed look, completely vaccuous stare and then kind of go bleahhhp like a prolonged belch. I had to keep going back to watch her do it again, I was having a 7yr old boy type laughing fit.
Gabbi-Gabbi,
Glad you confirmed my experience with lambs. I saw them at a fair and couldn't believe my eyes & ears. Especially the extended tongue. Did you see the tongue?
T
Posted by Peter S. on August 3, 2002, at 19:34:49
In reply to Re: In defence of Bunnies and Chickens, posted by .tabi.T.ha. on August 3, 2002, at 17:49:42
I once worked on a sheep ranch for 6 weeks and I must say that my respect for the intellect of these animals did not increase a great deal during that time. Let's just say I don't think there will be a sheep attending Harvard (at least on scholarship) in the near future. As a matter of fact every time I put on a wool sweater, I feel the loss of a few IQ points, and at this time I have very few left to give.
(sheepish grin)What exactly is a sheepish grin and do sheep grin?
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 20:28:34
In reply to Abandon Sheep and lambs, posted by Peter S. on August 3, 2002, at 19:34:49
Oh dear I've wondered about that sheepish grin thing myself, perhaps its because people think sheep are timid and therefore a shy timid grin is sheepish? I also wondered about the expression
which I don't like but have heard "shit eating grin" but then I found out where that came from.Now as for the sheep attending Harvard...... boy I could fill a whole board on that. How does one define intelligence? At one time many "Harvard" and other University graduates would have believed that White people were smarter than Black people because the I.Q tests had questions about culturally relative things, like names of Artists, etc.
Now how many Harvard grads does it take to destroy the earth and then help perpetuate a society which those on the "lower" rungs are incapable of escaping and yet find intolerable.
Mankind being what it is is hardly going to define intelligence by anything but the standards human beings can adhere to. They can hardly imagine a God that doesn't reflect their current standards.
Gee whiz.... You know I know you've probably thought this all yourself, and were just trying to make a lighthearded joke, and then my brain went and unspooled all over the page, and yet I hate it when I make a comment in a lighthearted way and somebody who should know me better will suddenly pick out the one possibly un-politically correct way my statement could have been taken, and then I sigh with resentment, and I giveupness.
And then I go and do it to you.... would you believe this is my own sadistic way of kidding around.... it is.Forgive me?
Please
Pretty-please
Its my birthday tomorrow you have to be nice.
God-Awful GabbiI'm sorry what was I talking about?
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 20:59:29
In reply to Re: Abandon Sheep and lambs » Peter S., posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 20:28:34
I've never seen it, but I've heard it a few times,
Just thought I'd throw that in.P.S. The Abandon Sheep wasn't lost on me, though you might be tempted to throw me overboard anyway.
Ooh one bad pun deserves another.
Actually bad pun is redundant isn't it?
Posted by Gabbi on August 3, 2002, at 21:07:11
In reply to Re: In defence of Bunnies and Chickens, posted by .tabi.T.ha. on August 3, 2002, at 17:49:42
Yes I truly did see the toungue and it defines the whole picture It was so damn funny,
The mouth lethargically drops open, toungue hangs down and the blaaahhhhhp doesn't seem to have any particular emotion attached it just --happens.
I'm glad you've seen it because it is one of those "you have to be there" things.Gabbi-Gabbi
Posted by Peter S. on August 4, 2002, at 1:15:39
In reply to Abandon Sheep and lambs, posted by Peter S. on August 3, 2002, at 19:34:49
I apologize Gabbi. We need to found a new school dedicated to sheepish values. Of course no human could be sheepish enough (however much they grin)to get into Harvard Ewe. Graduates of this school would not go about creating acid rain or contributing to the military industrial complex. The mathematics department would be dedicated to determining exactly how many sheep it takes to put a human to sleep. A main topic in Sheepsperian philosophical courses would be "to baah or not to baah". The highest honor would of course be to graduate Magna Cum Lamb.
OK it's late and I need to move on to greener pastures. My fourth stomach is also hurting.
Gabbi- in spite of all the (pun)ishment I do agree with you that if humans were a little more sheep-like (as in peaceful) the world would be a much better place.
Posted by Gabbi on August 4, 2002, at 1:30:38
In reply to Harvard EweneversityGabbi, posted by Peter S. on August 4, 2002, at 1:15:39
I will not even try to add to that....
Thanks-again for another laughGoodnight
Gabbi
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