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Posted by Alii on May 22, 2002, at 8:42:48
In reply to A request from Lou to Kid_A. » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 7:12:58
> Kid _A,
> I am dismayed at your post that asks others to look at a link that is from an anti-Semitic web site. I have tried to find some merit in it, but I can not do so. Now I believe in freedom of speech, but I also do not believe that someone can yell,"fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire.
> Could you tell the reason why you asked others to look at the link of the anti-Semitic politition?
> Further, it is a common understanding on these boards that when a someone posts a link that they endorse what is being perported in that link unless a disclaimer is given. Now I do not believe that you endorse what Mr. Crow writes in his web site. But I need for you to make a new post with your disclaimer or else it can be deduced that you support Mr. Crow's hatred toward the Jewish people, which, of course, means you have hatred toward me.
> Your cooperation in responding to my request will be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Lou>>>Further, it is a common understanding on these boards that when a someone posts a link that they endorse what is being perported in that link unless a disclaimer is given.<<<<<
I didn't hold this understanding before nor do I now Lou....
--- The incredibly common Alii
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 8:45:01
In reply to i don't think you can have it... » Lou Pilder, posted by Krazy Kat on May 21, 2002, at 11:42:25
Krazy Kat,
Could you clarify how you interpret John 3:16 in regards to your stating that is "The only criteria for getting into heaven"?
Could you clarify what "believe " means to you in that passage? "believe" could have diffeent meanings and I would like to know what your meaning would be so that I can understand your posts better.
Thanks,
Lou
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 8:49:36
In reply to link inside: this guy might not be Jesus but..., posted by kid_A on May 21, 2002, at 11:29:57
When I first saw this, I thought it was another David Icke--just a lunatic conspiracy theorist. And maybe Icke is an anti-Semite, too; I can't read that crap closely.
I am sure that KidA doesn't condone this guy's tactics and share his beliefs. He probably just thought it was funny, in a lunatic-fringe way.
But if you actually read what he's saying, it does all boil down to the same old "Blame the Jews" propaganda.
The irony of it all is that because we are a religion/group that values education, and because we were among the first peoples to make businesses (because we could; we taught ourselves how to add and subtract!), we are blamed for all the world's economic and political woes. But we were also among the first to extend credit and put things "on account" for folks who couldn't pay. In the ghettos, the Jewish merchant extended credit to the poorest of the poor, often with no expectations of being paid. Yet those who took advantage of him called him a thief, accusing him of raising his prices or selling poor merchandise.
We are forever someone's scapegoat. It will never change. And though we are not all Zionists, and we do not all condone the acts of some Israelis, we are still one big devil in the eyes of the racist.
I hope folks will give more thought about the links they include. And I'm sorry your feelings were hurt, Lou.
beardy : )>
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 8:54:05
In reply to Lou's right. Lou's right? Yeah., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 8:49:36
Beardedlady,
The overiding purpose of my post is for support and education. I believe in freedom of speech, for out of the post in question came your wonderfull response.
Lou
Posted by wendy b. on May 22, 2002, at 9:16:56
In reply to A request from Lou to Krazy Kat » Krazy Kat, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 8:14:32
Dear Lou,
KK may not answer you, because she seems to be the brunt of things when someone posts something so obviously ridiculous and so out-of-line that it's funny, that when she says so, she's the one to blame. For another instance of this, see my comments on swearing on PBA, and her cyber-laughing at them, and then someone taking offense at her laughing. In fact, Lou, I think you found my post offensive, and said so. Which is your right. But it is also KK's right to laugh whenever she gosh-darn-well pleases!
Kid_A's post WAS funny, and I get to say that, too. And you don't have to agree that Kid's meaning was absolutely tongue-in-cheek. But it was.
Everybody's dander is so UP sometimes...
Wendy
> Krazy Kat,
> I have read your post that you say that Kid_A is "so funny' in regards to his posting of a link to an anti-Semitic web site.
> Could you explain why you think that it is "so funny"? It is not funny to me that the link portrys jews as "crucifiers of christ". That phrase has been used for 2000 years to foster hatred toward the jews.
> Lou
Posted by wendy b. on May 22, 2002, at 9:21:31
In reply to Lou's right. Lou's right? Yeah., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 8:49:36
Beardy:
I understand how you might feel what you do. But Kid's meaning was obviously not to offend, he's one of the kindest and most non-threatening posters on here... Hope you understand what I'm trying to say to Lou above. I know what you're saying about scapegoating, etc., but I think every cultural or cultural-religious group feels that to some extent (except maybe white anglo protestants). As an italian-american I have felt ostracized and ethnicized.
I don't think Kid would ever wish to offend, is all.
very sincerely,
Wendy> When I first saw this, I thought it was another David Icke--just a lunatic conspiracy theorist. And maybe Icke is an anti-Semite, too; I can't read that crap closely.
>
> I am sure that KidA doesn't condone this guy's tactics and share his beliefs. He probably just thought it was funny, in a lunatic-fringe way.
>
> But if you actually read what he's saying, it does all boil down to the same old "Blame the Jews" propaganda.
>
> The irony of it all is that because we are a religion/group that values education, and because we were among the first peoples to make businesses (because we could; we taught ourselves how to add and subtract!), we are blamed for all the world's economic and political woes. But we were also among the first to extend credit and put things "on account" for folks who couldn't pay. In the ghettos, the Jewish merchant extended credit to the poorest of the poor, often with no expectations of being paid. Yet those who took advantage of him called him a thief, accusing him of raising his prices or selling poor merchandise.
>
> We are forever someone's scapegoat. It will never change. And though we are not all Zionists, and we do not all condone the acts of some Israelis, we are still one big devil in the eyes of the racist.
>
> I hope folks will give more thought about the links they include. And I'm sorry your feelings were hurt, Lou.
>
> beardy : )>
Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:08:27
In reply to Re: Lou's right. Lou's right? Yeah. » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by wendy b. on May 22, 2002, at 9:21:31
thanks for the support wendy. yeah, i'm not sure why i get into so much trouble. i guess i didn't read through that link well enough, but i'll stand behind kid_a if for some reason i have to choose sides, though that's obviously silly. he absolutely would not have posted that to offend.
i come from a political family and my husband has been knee deep in politics. i glanced at the site and saw it from a political-humor point of view. the absurdity was all i saw.
you kind of hurt my feelings, lou, for not asking me what my comment meant. why so quick to assume i found the "anti-semitism" funny? i didn't even see it.
Christ was Jewish so of course the Jews did not kill him. Jew are the chosen people... yadda, yadda.
i don't know why i'm even defending myself. i am not a racist nor an anti-semite. i find cultural and racial differences to be exhilarating and fascinating. a gentrified world would be horrible.
i'm tired of your posts now, lou. i have tried to reach out to you and this is the slap on the wrist i get.
and my statement above re: John 3:16 is as simple as it gets. take it literally. believe = "to have no doubt" in my opinion.
and so ends my part in the search for the crowns that sit on the gate that surround the white horse that ate the last pie that fell from the sky before the soldiers came marching in.
:(
- kk
p.s. chistophre's post was Extremely offensive to me but i knew better than to express that. it's unnecessary.
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:12:38
In reply to Re: Lou's right. Lou's right? Yeah. » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by wendy b. on May 22, 2002, at 9:21:31
I know he didn't mean to offend. I'm just wondering if he actually read the parts where it becomes nasty instead of just goofy. Sometimes we skim something without really catching the whole meaning of it, which is what I did when I first saw the site. And I thought it was funny, too, at first.
(And I thought your swearing post was funny, too, knowing you meant no ill will for Phil.)
I wish we could just leave religion out of this place, but it is often someone's reason for living, so we can't quite do that. But if we must be sensitive when we write (I got a PBC for calling someone's rude post rude!), then we must be sensitive when we link, right?
So all's I'm saying is: Give pizza chants.
beardy : )>
Posted by SandraDee on May 22, 2002, at 10:21:33
In reply to Well, yes, I said that in my post. » wendy b., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:12:38
Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:27:00
In reply to Well, yes, I said that in my post. » wendy b., posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:12:38
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:40:13
In reply to visualize whirled peas... :) (nm) » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:27:00
Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:48:39
In reply to my favorite, whirled peas! (nm) » krazy kat, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:40:13
with, of course, a picture of a mackerel.
'the more people i meet the more i like my dog' - my rebellious bumper sticker when i was 16. :)
Posted by Dinah1 on May 22, 2002, at 12:11:29
In reply to The 7 Gates on the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Lou Pilder on May 20, 2002, at 16:33:37
I don't know what to say, except that I admire the effort you are using to remain civil. You are obviously living up to your ideals, and trying to abide by the rules of this board. I am sorry that you were hurt by any posts here. I agree that kid a was probably not aware of the anti-semitic nature of the site and meant no disrespect to the Jewish faith. I didn't access it myself because I take religion rather seriously, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. and didn't wish to be offended.
Anyway, I just wanted to offer you some support, Lou. I really don't know what else to say.
Best wishes,
Dinah
Posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 14:16:50
In reply to 'expect a mackerel' » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:48:39
Okay, first, I dont think I need to defend my posting of this link, but I would like to clarify that not only do I not have an anti-semitic bone in my body, but my close relatives are in fact, Jewish.I also do not feel that I need to make an appology concerning this link nor satisfy someones overactive imagination by making a stand as to weather or not I endorse the website I posted. If you are at all familiar with my posting, I would never, under any circumstances attempt to hurt someones feelings or cause someone emotional stress with any message that I post... I may joke around at times, but it is not meant to hurt...
I think it's pretty obvious that the person who fashioned this site is not only a nut-job, (if you couldnt tell by the spasmotic use of 100 million differnt fonts and colors then...), but that he has nothing at all redeeming to say.
I don't have the time or energy to sift through the entire contents of every wacko's website that for some reason out of humor I may post. Odds are that even if I had noticed the anti-semitism I still would have posted it, simply due to the fact that THE SITE MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.
I'm not posting any diatribe by David Duke, and It's obvious that my intention is not to rile anyone up, or hurt anyones feelings, and I am honestly sorry if I have.
If we want to make a start at fostering an environment on this site for mutual support lets start and remove repeated religiously dogmatic posts from the site entirely. Im sorry to say this Lou, but I'm persoanlly sick and tired of all the Gates, the Horsemen, the Crowns, and whatever logic you construe as your personal twist of saving grace. I respect your right to your oppinion, I RESPECT your QUIZES... I respect your right to post to this forum, but I feel a great deal of your posts revolve around your own personal religious beliefs that are distracting from the original intention of this board: mutual support for those with psychological ailments. I know you may think that you have the answer to everyones problem, but perhaps you dont. Perhaps a better solution would be to offer your email address and interested parties could contact you for future information.
I'm sorry If I've offended you in any way, truly, but that is how I feel.
I'm also sorry If anything I've posted has offended anyone in anyway, but I still stand by my right to post TOTALLY INSANE CONTENT.
Anyone who uses dollar signs as some form of alphabetic substitute is obviously not playing with a full deck...
that is all.
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 14:31:58
In reply to everybody take a look at the Bad Guy..., posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 14:16:50
Most people know that. Lou is more sensitive than most because he is wholly holy. I am helly, however, so I just wanted to add a little Jewish rah-rah to even it out after that crazy double-chinned guy's web site.
Really, he looks a lot nicer than that--sort of Willard Scott-y. Who'da thunk it?
beardy : )>
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 14:36:27
In reply to 'expect a mackerel' » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 10:48:39
Posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 14:37:34
In reply to my favorite, whirled peas! (nm) » krazy kat, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 10:40:13
Posted by kid_A on May 22, 2002, at 14:46:30
In reply to If you want peas, work for jesters. (nm) » BeARdEdLaDY, posted by BeARdEdLaDY on May 22, 2002, at 14:37:34
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 14:48:18
In reply to Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah1 on May 22, 2002, at 12:11:29
Dinah 1,
Thank you for your comforting post. You said more than you think you said. "---for out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."
Lou
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 14:54:41
In reply to Re: Lou's answer to Ron Hill » Ron Hill, posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2002, at 11:17:53
The jesus of Nazi Germany? I really hope and pray you aren't referring to Hitler....
There's only one Jesus...Jesus Christ, heard of Him? I'm curious as to why you didn't add Him...
'Which' one says all Jews are going to hell, or that Noah was white?
Kiddo
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 15:02:59
In reply to A request from Lou to Kid_A. » kid_A, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 7:12:58
I don't agree with that....you have to look at the entire post, know the 'person', etc.....sarcasm, disagreement, etc., are valid reasons to add a URL to a post without adding an "Official Disclaimer".
May I ask why you "need" Kid_a to post a disclaimer? How can you say that by posting a link without a disclaimer means Kid_a hates you? Isn't that a little extreme?
Don't you find that statement a little 'accusatory' and overgeneralizing?
Kiddo
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 15:07:10
In reply to Which one? » Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 14:54:41
Kiddo,
Thank you for joining this discussion. Here in Cincinnati, each year the Klu Klux Klan puts up a white cross on our public square. They say that their jesus condemms all black people, jews, catholics and all other religions to hell. They have a perverted doctrin that Noah was white and thearfor all of his decendants were white and thearfore only white people are "saved". I fought the Klan for years and had to learn about their jesus. The Noah doctrin may be to only some Klan members, for there are numerous off-shoots. I have also run into the White Aryan groups and have found out about their jesus. They worship Hitler. They display the swastika and openly kill jews and blacks. Hitler said that he was doing God's will in his "final solution to the jewish problem. And when anyone raises that ugly head of anti-Semitism, I will try to put it down.
Lou
Posted by krazy kat on May 22, 2002, at 15:07:47
In reply to Thanks , Dinah 1 » Dinah1, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 14:48:18
1. The increase in your posts re: the abuse/addiction, etc. of meds even when prescribed for valid uses such as the illnesses the people on this site suffer from.
2. Your continued "preaching". I cannot for the life of me see what is different re: your posts as they swerve into continuous religious territory and Sal's comments that got him banned, a couple of times I believe. In fact his were less intrusive - they tended to concern an organization, not a belief.
I just wanted you to know I am doing this. Hopefully you will not come back with "It's my right", etc., etc. It's Dr. Bob's decision, obviously, but I don't Think it is your right here.
I truly Believe you are becoming dangerous to the board, dangerous to people whose very lives may depend on the meds that they take. Dangerous to those who are feeling weak and depressed because of their mental illness, and who may seek solace SOLEY in religion, rather than approaching it from all angles, including a Dr.'s opinion.
I would like it if we all, especially myself, would just ignore you, but that doesn't happen. You occasionally post witty and insightful, non-crown threads, and I'm GUESSING that folks hope it's a sign you're getting off your high white horse.
Such is not the case.
- kk
p.s. I mean no disrespect at all to Christians, which is still what I would call Lou based on his "teachings". I would love to have a discussion about religion here, but have finally realized it's not the place, except in the broadest terms, i.e. terms of faith, meditation/prayer, spirituality, or non-spirituality. And even that is tricky.
Posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 15:16:56
In reply to lou's answer to Kiddo » kiddo, posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 15:07:10
Thanks-
I was just wanting to know what you meant by that....
Kiddo
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 22, 2002, at 15:20:04
In reply to Re: A request from Lou to Kid_A. » Lou Pilder, posted by kiddo on May 22, 2002, at 15:02:59
Kiddo,
I asked for a disclaimer for without one the post stands for what it says. Are you saying that anyone on this board could post anything that they want to, including hate , and then just say that they were kidding?
If that were the case, than there would be no end to the hate, the ridicule, the taunting, the jeering, and evrything else that comes from a hatefull mind. I thought that my request was in good faith because it allowed the poster to determine his/her intent. I hope that all the posters here give me the same consideration. I am not asking for any discipline to be taken towards the poster, but only clarification.
Thanks for your interest in this matter,
Lou
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