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Posted by Fi on February 10, 2002, at 15:00:06
In reply to Thename of the 2end Gate » Ritch, posted by lou pilder on February 9, 2002, at 22:46:59
Lou
As I hope you will have discovered, this Board is respectful of individual's opinions and experiences.
However, this includes a responsibility to speak only for yourself. It is offensive to people like me to have a statement like
< We have all failed to
love our neighbor. We have all failed to give mercy to our neighbor. We have all failed to be kind to our neighbor.
We are failures. We are suffering because of that. >Of course, the world would be a much better place if people were kinder to their neighbours. But to state that those of us with psychological problems are suffering
because we did not do so, or that we are all 'failures' is completely wrong. There are many, many reasons (some not yet worked out) why such conditions occur. And some of the bravest
people I know are those who cope with psychological problems- they are far from 'failures'. A substantial percentage of people in all walks of life and degrees of success have problems at some point.Another point where I am concerned for you is your perspective that you can only get better if you gather other people into your method. This sounds very burdensome for you.
None of the theories I have heard which are proven to help people include this sort of rule. I hope that you will be able to find ways of getting thru your current problems without having to seek recruits.
Fi
Posted by Kristi on February 10, 2002, at 15:30:31
In reply to Re: Thename of the 2end Gate » lou pilder, posted by Fi on February 10, 2002, at 15:00:06
Posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 15:46:29
In reply to Re: Thename of the 2end Gate » lou pilder, posted by Fi on February 10, 2002, at 15:00:06
> Lou
>
> As I hope you will have discovered, this Board is respectful of individual's opinions and experiences.
>
> However, this includes a responsibility to speak only for yourself. It is offensive to people like me to have a statement like
> < We have all failed to
> love our neighbor. We have all failed to give mercy to our neighbor. We have all failed to be kind to our neighbor.
> We are failures. We are suffering because of that. >
>
> Of course, the world would be a much better place if people were kinder to their neighbours. But to state that those of us with psychological problems are suffering
> because we did not do so, or that we are all 'failures' is completely wrong. There are many, many reasons (some not yet worked out) why such conditions occur. And some of the bravest
> people I know are those who cope with psychological problems- they are far from 'failures'. A substantial percentage of people in all walks of life and degrees of success have problems at some point.
>
> Another point where I am concerned for you is your perspective that you can only get better if you gather other people into your method. This sounds very burdensome for you.
>
> None of the theories I have heard which are proven to help people include this sort of rule. I hope that you will be able to find ways of getting thru your current problems without having to seek recruits.
>
> FiFi;
The people at the 2end gate are the ones that have forgiven. They know of their failure and they know that it has caused suffering. They are the ones hat want a whole new life. They aknowledge that they have failed with their life. Those are the only people that can be at the 2end gate. If you have opened the first gate by forgiving, and you can not admit that you have failed, and the failure is in loving your neighbor, then turn around and go back. But do not discourage others from going on the road. I hold 2 world records and I am a millioniar, but I am a failure. You have failed to see what I have been talking about. I will continue to tell of what I have been a witness to, and it is real to me, and if you can't see or have no ears to hear , then go back over the great gulf( and I will explain that when someone asks) and continue your life without reading anymore of this post. Walk away. I am only seeking those that are lost.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 17:16:44
In reply to Who isat the 2end gate?, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 15:46:29
> > Lou
> >
> > As I hope you will have discovered, this Board is respectful of individual's opinions and experiences.
> >
> > However, this includes a responsibility to speak only for yourself. It is offensive to people like me to have a statement like
> > < We have all failed to
> > love our neighbor. We have all failed to give mercy to our neighbor. We have all failed to be kind to our neighbor.
> > We are failures. We are suffering because of that. >
> >
> > Of course, the world would be a much better place if people were kinder to their neighbours. But to state that those of us with psychological problems are suffering
> > because we did not do so, or that we are all 'failures' is completely wrong. There are many, many reasons (some not yet worked out) why such conditions occur. And some of the bravest
> > people I know are those who cope with psychological problems- they are far from 'failures'. A substantial percentage of people in all walks of life and degrees of success have problems at some point.
> >
> > Another point where I am concerned for you is your perspective that you can only get better if you gather other people into your method. This sounds very burdensome for you.
> >
> > None of the theories I have heard which are proven to help people include this sort of rule. I hope that you will be able to find ways of getting thru your current problems without having to seek recruits.
> >
> > Fi
>
> Fi;
>
> The people at the 2end gate are the ones that have forgiven. They know of their failure and they know that it has caused suffering. They are the ones hat want a whole new life. They aknowledge that they have failed with their life. Those are the only people that can be at the 2end gate. If you have opened the first gate by forgiving, and you can not admit that you have failed, and the failure is in loving your neighbor, then turn around and go back. But do not discourage others from going on the road. I hold 2 world records and I am a millioniar, but I am a failure. You have failed to see what I have been talking about. I will continue to tell of what I have been a witness to, and it is real to me, and if you can't see or have no ears to hear , then go back over the great gulf( and I will explain that when someone asks) and continue your life without reading anymore of this post. Walk away. I am only seeking those that are lost.
> LouWe have all failed to love our neighbor. Today I read in my newspaper that a center to feed homeless people is closing for lack of support. I have not supported that center. I have failed to love my neighbor. I also read in the paper that there are people that have no winter clothes and I have not given any coats or gloves to them. I have failed to love my neighbor. I read of the people in prison and I have not visited them. I have failed to love my neighbor. I read of people selling their children to buy food. I have not fed them. I have failed to love my neighbor.
At that 2end gate you are asked if you have failed by not loving your neighbor. Those that admit that they are failures will proceed to the 3erd gate to The Crown of Life. There will be few, my friends. Few.
Lou
Posted by ST on February 10, 2002, at 18:08:53
In reply to More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 17:16:44
> > I have not supported that center. I have failed to love my neighbor....there are people that have no winter clothes and I have not given any coats or gloves to them. I have failed to love my neighbor...people in prison and I have not visited them. > >
Lou,
You're very right. There is not enough love and compassion in the world. People go around with blinders on and do not realize that perhaps people right under their noses are in need of their support and love.
But I do think I love my neighbor and am successful at it because I make a difference where I can, when I can and am always aware of doing so. We can't be everywhere at once. We all cannot visit everyone in all the hospital wards and prisons, give coats to all of the elderly and cold, feed all the homeless in the world, comfort all the sick and sad people in the world. But we can each start with someone who needs love in their time of need. We can be aware that our next door neighbor just lost her husband and might appreciate some comapnay and a home cooked meal. We can stay with a friend all night if they need us when they are alone and feel that there is nothing to live for. We can continue to give money to the one charity we have chosen to support because we cannot support every charity in the world. We can be compassionate, loving, kind, tolerant, generous people to every person in our lives every day and that makes a huge difference. That is loving thy neighbor to the best of one's ability. You may forever be tortured by the fact that you cannot help the billions and billions of people in the world that need help. It may be become almost obsessive. But if you make a difference to three people a day...maybe even one, you are doing - I believe - what you can to make a difference.
Sarah
Posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 18:46:55
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by ST on February 10, 2002, at 18:08:53
> > > I have not supported that center. I have failed to love my neighbor....there are people that have no winter clothes and I have not given any coats or gloves to them. I have failed to love my neighbor...people in prison and I have not visited them. > >
>
> Lou,
>
> You're very right. There is not enough love and compassion in the world. People go around with blinders on and do not realize that perhaps people right under their noses are in need of their support and love.
>
> But I do think I love my neighbor and am successful at it because I make a difference where I can, when I can and am always aware of doing so. We can't be everywhere at once. We all cannot visit everyone in all the hospital wards and prisons, give coats to all of the elderly and cold, feed all the homeless in the world, comfort all the sick and sad people in the world. But we can each start with someone who needs love in their time of need. We can be aware that our next door neighbor just lost her husband and might appreciate some comapnay and a home cooked meal. We can stay with a friend all night if they need us when they are alone and feel that there is nothing to live for. We can continue to give money to the one charity we have chosen to support because we cannot support every charity in the world. We can be compassionate, loving, kind, tolerant, generous people to every person in our lives every day and that makes a huge difference. That is loving thy neighbor to the best of one's ability. You may forever be tortured by the fact that you cannot help the billions and billions of people in the world that need help. It may be become almost obsessive. But if you make a difference to three people a day...maybe even one, you are doing - I believe - what you can to make a difference.
>
> SarahSarah;
Have you ever encountered a person that was in need and you did not respond? If so, then you failed that one time. The standard for failure , in order to open the 2end gate, is to admit that failing just one time is failure. That is why I say that there will be few to go on this road for few will admit that that is the standard. Few will admit that all have failed and come short .
Lou
Posted by Shar on February 10, 2002, at 19:42:25
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 18:46:55
I think it is good to view these ideas in context. "Failure" here is failure to meet the standard required to pass through a particular gate.
If perfection is the standard for loving thy neighbor, IMHO everyone on earth has failed. If for no other reason than it is impossible to do (or be) all things for all people all of the time. Again IMO, saying that humans are imperfect is more a fact than an admission of guilt or wrongdoing; we have all failed, under the current definition.
So, on to the third gate!
Shar
Posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 20:51:32
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by Shar on February 10, 2002, at 19:42:25
> I think it is good to view these ideas in context. "Failure" here is failure to meet the standard required to pass through a particular gate.
>
> If perfection is the standard for loving thy neighbor, IMHO everyone on earth has failed. If for no other reason than it is impossible to do (or be) all things for all people all of the time. Again IMO, saying that humans are imperfect is more a fact than an admission of guilt or wrongdoing; we have all failed, under the current definition.
>
> So, on to the third gate!
>
> Shar;
I am delighted that you are one that will not turn back. We should wait for some others to join us. Could you tell others on this board to come with us? I will wait for yor answer.
Lou
Posted by paula on February 10, 2002, at 23:45:28
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 18:46:55
I don't think that Sarah was saying she, or any of us, are not failures in some respects. That's inherent in her statement that you can't help everyone that needs you. What distresses me about your scenario is that it seems that you expect there to be some radical break that happens when we "realize" how imperfect we are. As if that imperfection could, eventually, be put behind us, or even worse, constanty held up in front of us. Failure, like suffering of all kinds, is inevitable. We will all fail and be failed. We will all hurt and be hurt. Your insistence that we accept this sad paradox is, itself, actually one of those little slings and arrows since you implicitly accuse us not only of being imperfect but of imperfectly understanding our imperfection.
Anyhow, I agree with Sarah that the best course of action is to take the opportunities to do good and to be good that come along. If we all pulled our weight, the world would be a better place, no?
paula
Posted by ST on February 11, 2002, at 4:59:45
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 18:46:55
> > >Have you ever encountered a person that was in need and you did not respond? If so, then you failed that one time. > >
Lou,
Yes! I remember walking quickly by someone in need and then regretting it later. Their face, asking for money, I think, stayed with me all day. What I did next was this: the next person who needed a hand/money/a kind word did not receive a hesitation from me. I live in a large city and am constantly asked for money every day. (And I know we're not simply discussing the giving of money to the homeless) I can't always give and sometimes I wonder what that particular person will do with my dollar. But I always try to make eye contact and smile. I'll usually say something like: "I'm sorry, I can't right now, but good luck". I notice their face will light up because someone actually acknowledged them. So, in a way, I did help. In the way that I could. Yes, we all fail at times. The hope is not to consider ourselves failures but as struggling to do the right thing. That is a very human struggle.
Sarah
Posted by lou pilder on February 11, 2002, at 6:47:21
In reply to Re: More about the failure to love your neighbor, posted by ST on February 11, 2002, at 4:59:45
>
>
> > > >Have you ever encountered a person that was in need and you did not respond? If so, then you failed that one time. > >
>
> Lou,
>
> Yes! I remember walking quickly by someone in need and then regretting it later. Their face, asking for money, I think, stayed with me all day. What I did next was this: the next person who needed a hand/money/a kind word did not receive a hesitation from me. I live in a large city and am constantly asked for money every day. (And I know we're not simply discussing the giving of money to the homeless) I can't always give and sometimes I wonder what that particular person will do with my dollar. But I always try to make eye contact and smile. I'll usually say something like: "I'm sorry, I can't right now, but good luck". I notice their face will light up because someone actually acknowledged them. So, in a way, I did help. In the way that I could. Yes, we all fail at times. The hope is not to consider ourselves failures but as struggling to do the right thing. That is a very human struggle.
>
> SarahGroup people
As the 2end Gate opened, I saw a ride on a white horse having a crown of pearls. He had a breastplate of pearl. I asked who he was and he said ,"I have been sent by he one that wares many crowns andthe first gate opened and a bridge brought you across the Great Gulf. That Great Gulf separated you from the truth, for the Great Gulf is the lies of the World. Your friends have lied to you. Your relatives have lied to you. Your lover has lied to you. Your teachers lied to you. Yor president has lied to yu. The drug companys have lied to you. Your doctors have lied to you. Yor sports heros have lied to you. Yuor history books have lied to you. The newspapers have lied to you. The people talking on the radio have lied to you. The mgazines hve lied to you. Your people that ware wool have lied to you. It is those lies of te world that you have folllowed that have caused the suffering that you have. And when you forgave and that first gate opened you could then leave the lies of the world. And when you admitted that you have not been as good a person as you could be, then the 2end gate opened and I have been sent to you. For only those thatare perfect can go down this road. Now is the time to goaway from the world of lies for I have been sent to lead you to all truth. Can you follow me or will you turn back?
That is what I experianced as the 2end gate opened. It was real to me and I did not tur back. Will you go with me and follow the rider on the white horse?
Lou
Posted by Shar on February 11, 2002, at 11:52:33
In reply to The 3erd Gate to the Road to the Crown of Life » Shar, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 20:51:32
>Could you tell others on this board to come with >us? I will wait for yor answer.
> Lou
>Lou,
As you have probably figured out by now, one cannot tell others on this board to do anything.....each one makes a personal decision about what to do. If anyone wishes to join you, I believe he or she will say so without hesitation.So far, I like the story of the seven gates. And, I am inherently curious, waiting to see what happens next.
Shar
Posted by lou pilder on February 11, 2002, at 12:03:47
In reply to Re: The 3erd Gate to the Road to the Crown of Life, posted by Shar on February 11, 2002, at 11:52:33
> >Could you tell others on this board to come with >us? I will wait for yor answer.
> > Lou
> >
>
> Lou,
> As you have probably figured out by now, one cannot tell others on this board to do anything.....each one makes a personal decision about what to do. If anyone wishes to join you, I believe he or she will say so without hesitation.
>
> So far, I like the story of the seven gates. And, I am inherently curious, waiting to see what happens next.
>
> SharShar;
The 2end gate has been opend when that person admitted that they failed when they refused to give money to the panhandler in need. She said that his face remained in her memory all day. What if you reach The City of Peace and you did not bring a person that you would like to be there?
Lou
Posted by Fi on February 11, 2002, at 12:16:49
In reply to Who isat the 2end gate?, posted by lou pilder on February 10, 2002, at 15:46:29
Dont worry- I wont read any more of your posts.
I found your reply to my message even more offensive than the one I was replying to before.
Fi
Posted by lou pilder on February 11, 2002, at 14:30:47
In reply to Re: Who isat the 2end gate? » lou pilder, posted by Fi on February 11, 2002, at 12:16:49
> Dont worry- I wont read any more of your posts.
>
> I found your reply to my message even more offensive than the one I was replying to before.
>
> FiFi;
Could you read this and give it a thought? The standard to open the 2end is to admit that there was at least ,just one time, that you failed to help someone when you could have. That standard is not the same as the world's standard. When I was a teacher , I caught a 7th grader cheating. The 7th grader said to me, "Evrybody cheats. I didn't do anything wrong, you can't fail me." The Road to the Crown of Life demands that we be perfect, but we all have failed and come short of that standard. But the good news is that we can overcome our failure to be perfect. That is the failuure that the gate was talking about. The failure to be pefect. Come, let us reason togeather. Do not leave, for there is hope. You can drink of the waters freely.
Lou
Posted by Shar on February 11, 2002, at 20:38:40
In reply to Go and tell others » Shar, posted by lou pilder on February 11, 2002, at 12:03:47
Lou,
I am not much of a go-and-teller, and you have issued the invitation already.What happens at the 3rd gate?
Shar
Posted by lou pilder on February 11, 2002, at 20:52:30
In reply to Re: Go and tell others, posted by Shar on February 11, 2002, at 20:38:40
> Lou,
> I am not much of a go-and-teller, and you have issued the invitation already.
>
> What happens at the 3rd gate?
>
> SharShar;
It would be the best if 12 people would be in our group. Right now it is only, I think, 3. I will tell about the 3erd gate in a while, but right now I have suffered a tremendous setback and I must take time to regain my strengh in order to tell you about he 3erd gate. I have violated the rules and my violation is before me.I need to hear joy and gladness. I need my joy restored. Ihave a broken spirit. It would help if one other person would join us. Perhaps someone reading this ,now, will answer and say that they also woud like to go to the next gate.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 11, 2002, at 21:23:25
In reply to Re: Go and tell others » Shar, posted by lou pilder on February 11, 2002, at 20:52:30
> > Lou,
> > I am not much of a go-and-teller, and you have issued the invitation already.
> >
> > What happens at the 3rd gate?
> >
> > Shar
>
> Shar;
> It would be the best if 12 people would be in our group. Right now it is only, I think, 3. I will tell about the 3erd gate in a while, but right now I have suffered a tremendous setback and I must take time to regain my strengh in order to tell you about he 3erd gate. I have violated the rules and my violation is before me.I need to hear joy and gladness. I need my joy restored. Ihave a broken spirit. It would help if one other person would join us. Perhaps someone reading this ,now, will answer and say that they also woud like to go to the next gate.
> LouI must tell you something before we go to the 3erd gate. We must know about the butterfly. It goes through a series of changes in its form. Ancient people saw the change in form from the catipiller to the butterfly.(metamorphosis). We can be metamorphosised. Not in form, but in our mind. We can have a whole new mind. We can be changed. The ancients also saw the snake molt and craw out of its skin. The ancients thought that the snake was born again. They worshiped the snake as a god. After all, they thoght that they kept being born again and never died. We can have our outward "skin" renewed. We can have a whole new life, not physically, but we can have our minds renewed. The old mind will be shed. When we are given he Crown of Life, we will have been changed and you will bea whole new person. The old self will be gone away. If you want to stay as you are, then go back. But if you want to be renewed, then take this opportunity to join us and continue on the Road.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 12, 2002, at 5:49:11
In reply to Re: Go and tell others, posted by Shar on February 11, 2002, at 20:38:40
> Lou,
> I am not much of a go-and-teller, and you have issued the invitation already.
>
> What happens at the 3rd gate?
>
> Shar
I was at the 3erd Gate and there were many with me and the Rider on the white horse spoke to us and said," The people that wil go through this gate will be neither male or female, niether Arab or Jew, niether black or white, niether Asian or European, niether North or South or East or West. Niether rich or poor . The people that go through this gate will all be one on the Road." "It is one of the great lies of the world that there are those differences and those that believe that lie are suffering for it." Many murmmered and turned back.They could not be in that kingdom. They loved their hate. And written in blood on the gate were the names of those that died to promulgate that All Men are Created Equal and that it should be self-evident. And he gates openend an there were just a few of us left.
I Lou, experianced this and it was real to me. If this is real to you, then walk through this gate and leave your bagggage of hate behind you.
Lou
Posted by Cam W. on February 12, 2002, at 11:52:36
In reply to The opening of the 3erd Gate, posted by lou pilder on February 12, 2002, at 5:49:11
Posted by IsoM on February 12, 2002, at 12:30:10
In reply to Hmmm...Anyone else see where this is leading? (nm), posted by Cam W. on February 12, 2002, at 11:52:36
Yes - long, long ago. That's why I keep away from it.
Posted by lou pilder on February 12, 2002, at 14:13:33
In reply to Re: Hmmm...Anyone else see where this is leading? » Cam W., posted by IsoM on February 12, 2002, at 12:30:10
> Yes - long, long ago. That's why I keep away from it.
My friends;
I can tell you where this is leading to. I can showyou the Raod that leads to The Crown of Life. I can show you the way to the City of Peace, and you will have rest. I can show you the way to the Light of the World, and you will be out of the Darkness. I can show you the way to the place of joy , and you will be out of your suffering. All we like sheep are lost in the World' lies. Follow the Rider on the white horse, for he shall lead you to all Truth.
Lou
Posted by lou pilder on February 12, 2002, at 18:49:04
In reply to where is this leading to?, posted by lou pilder on February 12, 2002, at 14:13:33
> > Yes - long, long ago. That's why I keep away from it.
>
> My friends;
> I can tell you where this is leading to. I can showyou the Raod that leads to The Crown of Life. I can show you the way to the City of Peace, and you will have rest. I can show you the way to the Light of the World, and you will be out of the Darkness. I can show you the way to the place of joy , and you will be out of your suffering. All we like sheep are lost in the World' lies. Follow the Rider on the white horse, for he shall lead you to all Truth.
> LouFriends;
As the 4th gate opened, we were led to a great lake. The lake was on fire. Towering over the lake was the largest bridge that anyone could imagine. It was gargantuan and made of metal. There were people that would passover the lake of fire on that bridge. We approached the bridge to passover the lake of fire and I could see that the metal that made up the bridge was millions of old chains. The rider on the white horse said to us," Those are the chains from the people that were slaves to the lies of the world and they have been unshakled because they came to the Road and recieved the Crown of Life". "Their chains have made this bridge for you to passover the Lake of Fire." " For I will lead you, as they were led, to all Truth." "And you shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free."
I, Lou, experianced what I have just described and it was real to me. If you want to go to the 4th Gate, then let me know and I will tell you what I saw when we walked over that great bridge.
Lou>
>
Posted by kid_A on February 12, 2002, at 19:16:55
In reply to Re: Hmmm...Anyone else see where this is leading? » Cam W., posted by IsoM on February 12, 2002, at 12:30:10
Posted by lou pilder on February 12, 2002, at 19:26:17
In reply to Im just waiting for Hale Bopp's return, ah Rebirth (nm), posted by kid_A on February 12, 2002, at 19:16:55
Kid;
What if the return of the comet does not do what you have faith in it to do? What will you do then? The ancients all were waiting for some astrological event. They have all been disappointed. But there will be a return. You can return from The City of Peace and tell the good news to your friends. For there you will be given a new song to sing. Will you go with us?
Lou
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