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Posted by PaulB on January 16, 2002, at 15:47:40
"When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you"
Friedrich Nietzsche
Posted by kid_A on January 16, 2002, at 16:28:09
In reply to WARNING, posted by PaulB on January 16, 2002, at 15:47:40
> "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you"
> Friedrich Nietzsche"Suffering makes you live time in detail, moment after moment. Which is to say that it exists for you: over the others, the ones who don't suffer, time flows, so that they don't live in time, in fact they never have."
-Emile M. Cioran
Posted by paulB on January 17, 2002, at 15:37:53
In reply to Re: WARNING » PaulB, posted by kid_A on January 16, 2002, at 16:28:09
> > "When you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you"
> > Friedrich Nietzsche
>
> "Suffering makes you live time in detail, moment after moment. Which is to say that it exists for you: over the others, the ones who don't suffer, time flows, so that they don't live in time, in fact they never have."
>
> -Emile M. Cioran"I have this demon who wants me to run away screaming if I am going to be flawed, faillible. It wasnt me to think Im so good I must be perfect. Or nothing. I am, on the contrary, something: a being who gets tired, has shyness to fight, has more trouble than most facing people easily. If I get through this year, kicking my demon down when it comes up Ill be tired after a day's work...and its natural tiredness, not something to be ranted about in horror, Ill be able, piece by piece, to face the field of life, instead of running from it the minute it hurts.
-Sylvia Plath from her collected poems
Posted by kid_A on January 17, 2002, at 17:42:28
In reply to Re: WARNING, posted by paulB on January 17, 2002, at 15:37:53
There is an animal inside me,
clutching fast to my heart,
a huge crab.
The doctors of Boston
have thrown up their hands
They have tried scalpels,
needles, poison gasses and the like.
The crab remains.
It is a great weight.
I try to forget it, go about my business,
cook the brococoli, open and shut books,
brush my teeth and tie my shoes.
I have tried prayer
but as I pray the crab grips harder
and the pain enlarges.I had a dream once,
perhaps it was a dream,
that the crab was my ignorance of God.
But who am I to believe in dreams?-Anne Sexton, excerpt from the poem "THE POET OF IGNORANCE"
Posted by Gracie2 on January 22, 2002, at 0:21:49
In reply to Re: WARNING, posted by kid_A on January 17, 2002, at 17:42:28
Slyvia stuck her head in the oven. Anne also did away with herself. It makes you wonder whether their insight is worth considering.
Posted by JohnDoenut on January 22, 2002, at 9:32:03
In reply to Re: WARNING, posted by Gracie2 on January 22, 2002, at 0:21:49
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> Slyvia stuck her head in the oven. Anne also did away with herself. It makes you wonder whether their insight is worth considering.
Just because people do that doesnt mean thier insights are not valuble to someone IMHO!JohnD
Posted by kid_A on January 22, 2002, at 12:27:59
In reply to Re: WARNING, posted by Gracie2 on January 22, 2002, at 0:21:49
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> Slyvia stuck her head in the oven. Anne also did away with herself. It makes you wonder whether their insight is worth considering.i think it makes their words all the more relevant, perhaps they made the wrong choice in their suicides, but thats not for me to say. at the very least i can say that they seem to be familiar with the same feelings that i have had, and that is enough for me to validate their words.
Posted by Gracie2 on January 23, 2002, at 18:40:45
In reply to Re: WARNING, posted by kid_A on January 22, 2002, at 12:27:59
I have read both the works and the autobiographies of Sylvia Plath and Anne Sexton,
and they were both extremely talented. However, I believe their innate sadness pervades their writing, and I'm not sure that being exposed to sad thoughts is the best therapy for a person who is already depressed. I'm not suggesting that we all go to Disney Land (well, maybe the Bahamas), and maybe - probably -this is a naive point of view.
-Gracie
Posted by Shar on January 24, 2002, at 10:20:02
In reply to Re: WARNING, posted by kid_A on January 22, 2002, at 12:27:59
As always, we get to see more than one viewpoint regarding this issue, which is a good thing. Sad books, movies, etc. in general, I avoid. I figure why pay money for what I have for free every day----yes, that is supposed to be something of a joke...
I was saved any possible exacerbation of my condition with respect to Plath, because I never understood her writing. And, I never read Sexton. So, I can't comment directly on the issue, but that never stopped me before.
I did read Lonesome Dove a while back at the urging of a friend, and THAT turned me into a crying machine for about a month.
Mainly, I just wanted to applaud the expression of different points of view in this forum.
Shar
> >
> > Slyvia stuck her head in the oven. Anne also did away with herself. It makes you wonder whether their insight is worth considering.
>
> i think it makes their words all the more relevant, perhaps they made the wrong choice in their suicides, but thats not for me to say. at the very least i can say that they seem to be familiar with the same feelings that i have had, and that is enough for me to validate their words.
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