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Posted by Gracie2 on October 8, 2001, at 14:03:45
Every U down in U-ville liked U.S. a lot-
But the Binch, who lived far east of U-ville, did not.
The Binch hated the U.S. The whole U.S. way!
Now don't ask me why for nobody can say,
It could be his turban was screwed on too tight.
Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright.
But I think that the most likely reason of all-
May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.But whatever the reason, his heart or his turban,
He stood facing U-ville, the part that was urban.
"They're doing their business!" he snarled from his perch.
"They're raising their families! They're going to church! They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving.
I MUST keep the S's and U's from surviving!"Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's,
Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses,
They'd go their offices, playgrounds and schools,
And abide by their U and S values and rules.And then they'd do something he liked least of all.
Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small,
Would stand all united, each U and each S,
And they'd sing U-ville's anthem, "God bless us! God bless!"
All around their Twin Towers of U-ville they'd stand,
And their voices would drown every sound in the land."I must stop that singing," Binch said with a smirk.
And he had an idea - an idea that might work!
The Binch stole some U airplanes in U morning hours,
And crashed them right into the U-ville Twin Towers.
"They'll wake to disaster!" he snickered, so sour,
"And how can they sing when they can't find a tower?"And Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping,
All set to enjoy their U-wailing and weeping,
Instead he heard something that started quite low.
And it built up quite slow, but it started to grow-
And the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing...
And he couldn't believe it - they started to sing!He stared down at U-ville, not trusting his eyes,
What he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise!
Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small,
Was singing! Without any towers at all!
He HADN'T stopped U-ville from singing! It sung!
For deep down in the hearts of the old and the young,
Those Twin Towers were standing, called Hope and called Pride.
And you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside.So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall,
With a hand in each hand of the tall and the small,
And we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope,
For we still have inside that U-pride and U-hope.For America means a bit more than tall towers,
It means more than wealth or political powers,
It's more than our enemies ever could guess,
So may Gob bless America! Bless us! God bless!* * * * * * * * * * *
When I recieved this poem it came without a title and credits for whomever wrote it; our gratitude to the unknown author.
-Gracie
Posted by kid_A on October 8, 2001, at 18:35:26
In reply to A Poem for Everyone - Please Read, posted by Gracie2 on October 8, 2001, at 14:03:45
Okay, first... let me just say this is neither a criticism of the act of posting this bit of literature, nor is it a criticism of anyone's appreciation of it... But I do feel that the literature itself is subject to such criticism... Please don't feel I'm defaming the poster...
Now, about the work in question, first I'll leave it up to the reader to decide weather or not an ab rhyme scheme stylised in the manner of Dr. Seuss is appropriate considering the weight and magnitude of the past, current, and future world events...Second, I'm not sure if the author is aware or not, but there are many reasons why the Palestinians might not like the US, apparently the author was much busier thinking of words that rhyme together than researching why there is a conflict to begin with...
Thrid, despite the fact that the destruction of the WTC means much less symbolicly than Al Qaeda would like to believe, the act itself can not be seperated from the overall feeling of terror that it has invoked in people... this was the main point of the attack in the first place, not just to destroy buildings, but to destroy buildings on our teritory, to instill the notion that no one is safe, wherever they may be...
Again I'll leave it up to the reader to decide if charicaturing Bin Laden as turban clad is mildly racist or not... He is a ruthless agressor and a defamation to the Islamic religion, but when we start talking about turbans and start making cartoons of our foes, its only a few steps away from racism...
Last, and I think this is most important is the idea of "God Bless America"... Everyone is saying "God Bless America", but what does it mean? It is very very important to pay homage and respect and give the utmost aid and assistance to the families that have suffered from the events of September 11th, but how is this connected to "God Bless America"? It's not even an issue, why would someone say the opposite of this? It's jingoism at it's worst, like "support our troops", of course you support the troops, but do you support US policy? Thats the bigger question that gets burried under "God Bless America", who could possibly be against that? Quoting Chomsky, it has about as much relevance as saying do you support the people in Iowa? It's not even a legitimate question that can be answered... Just as "God Bless America" doesnt have any meaning outside of a means to distract people from the policy at hand... and what has gotten us into this mess to begin with and why in the world are we a target for agression? Nobody wan'ts to ask those questions because the national thrust is "God Bless America"... Who could possibly be against that?
....just my 2 cents.
Posted by Gracie2 on October 8, 2001, at 19:54:44
In reply to Re: A Poem for Everyone - Please Read, posted by kid_A on October 8, 2001, at 18:35:26
Posted by tina on October 8, 2001, at 21:07:26
In reply to Oh for Pete's sake.....(nm), posted by Gracie2 on October 8, 2001, at 19:54:44
Posted by shelliR on October 8, 2001, at 23:27:22
In reply to Re: A Poem for Everyone - Please Read, posted by kid_A on October 8, 2001, at 18:35:26
> Last, and I think this is most important is the idea of "God Bless America"... Everyone is saying "God Bless America", but what does it mean? It is very very important to pay homage and respect and give the utmost aid and assistance to the families that have suffered from the events of September 11th, but how is this connected to "God Bless America"? It's not even an issue, why would someone say the opposite of this? It's jingoism at it's worst, like "support our troops", of course you support the troops, but do you support US policy? Thats the bigger question that gets burried under "God Bless America", who could possibly be against that? Quoting Chomsky, it has about as much relevance as saying do you support the people in Iowa? It's not even a legitimate question that can be answered... Just as "God Bless America" doesnt have any meaning outside of a means to distract people from the policy at hand... and what has gotten us into this mess to begin with and why in the world are we a target for agression? Nobody wan'ts to ask those questions because the national thrust is "God Bless America"... Who could possibly be against that?
>
> ....just my 2 cents.well, I do think that your critique is a bit heavy duty for a poem. And anyway, who said anything about the Palestinians? This Fundamentalist anti-woman, anti-America crazyness doesn't have any thing to do with the Palestinians. Ben Liden never mentioned the Palestinians before his last taped monologue.
But I do have a hard time with "God Bless America."
If there is a God, and I certainly can't say there's not, why do we spend so much time saying God Bless America.
In the same amount of time we could say, God bless the peoples of the whole world.
I think this is a great country with some major flaws. I think there are things we have done which leave me with shame as an American. Nevertheless, I respect that we have the freedom to say this, and the freedom to change and be an even better nation. So in general I feel proud and lucky to be an American.One thing that this show of terror has inadvertantly shown the world is how poverished Afghanistanians are. That is not our fault. They have been tumbling into Pakistan way before September 11 hoping to be housed and fed but have been kept in horrible camps. And then the border was closed. It is very very sad. Our recent "humanitarian" dropping of food touches such a minor part of the population, that it is barely worth mentioning. So God Bless the People of Afghanistan also. And all other people striving for a better life.
Shelli
Posted by kid_A on October 9, 2001, at 11:34:33
In reply to Re: poem, posted by shelliR on October 8, 2001, at 23:27:22
> well, I do think that your critique is a bit heavy duty for a poem. And anyway, who said anything about the Palestinians?
well... there are a lot of issues here, its a multifaceted situation and the Palestinians are a big part of it and have been for quite some time... Bin Laden is very much pro Palestine, of course Israel has a different view... This is where the problem lies, we pump a few billion into Israel each year and generally have ignored the plight of the Palestinians... Both Israel and Palestine need to make some true steps towards a peacefull resolution, and our stance needs to switch to a much less unilateral one...
Posted by shelliR on October 9, 2001, at 12:06:11
In reply to Re: poem, posted by kid_A on October 9, 2001, at 11:34:33
> > well, I do think that your critique is a bit heavy duty for a poem. And anyway, who said anything about the Palestinians?
>
> well... there are a lot of issues here, its a multifaceted situation and the Palestinians are a big part of it and have been for quite some time... Bin Laden is very much pro Palestine, of course Israel has a different view... This is where the problem lies, we pump a few billion into Israel each year and generally have ignored the plight of the Palestinians... Both Israel and Palestine need to make some true steps towards a peacefull resolution, and our stance needs to switch to a much less unilateral one...Truely, if you read the history of Bin Laden's movement, it has historically had nothing to do with Palestine, either pro or con. I'm not saying the Plaestinian issue is not an important one, just that had nothing to do with this highly religious, anti-American fundamentalist movement. If you can find any previous references to Bin Laden and the Palestintinans before his last video speech, I'd be surprised. The inclusion in his last video speech was a big surprise to mid-east analysts, and thought to be a ploy to gain more sympathy. This is not my analysis. This is the part of all the analysis I have read in the Washington Post and heard on NPR.
I think it is important to keep the two issues separate, because they are separate. You were being so critical of everything in the poem, and you said it was objective criticism. I was pointing out a mistake in your facts. I'll stand by my comments that you are incorrect in linking the palestinian movement to this last terrorism against the U.S. I hope that someone so anxious to put the facts on the record, would be willing to look into the possiblility that something they said was a mistake. I think it is really important that a very critical person be willing to put the facts above the necessity of being "right".Shelli
Posted by kid_A on October 9, 2001, at 13:19:10
In reply to Re: poem » kid_A, posted by shelliR on October 9, 2001, at 12:06:11
I'm willing to conced that Bin Laden's statements concerning Palestine may not be all that they seem... I think that the important thing to think about though is that it is not a matter of being for or against Palestine so much as being against Israel and the United States, and this has always been Bin Laden's stance...It wasn't my intention to infer that Palestine was some how connected as a major or even minor thrust of the terrorist attacks, I am only trying to say that this conflict and US unilateral involvement in it has been going on for years now and does play a role in the fostering of anti US sentiments... I may be incorect on the date, the 1979 invasion of Lebanon by Israel was sactioned by the UN, that sanction was vetoed by the US... as were several other sanctions against Israel... I'm not Israel bashing, or US bashing... Im just pointing out that there are -many- different reasons why there may be anti-US sentiments in the middle east...
I stand by my criticism of the quote-unquote poem... I feel it is trite and does not offer any more clarity or peace of mind than an American flag bumper sticker...
I never meant to rile anyone up, or get embroiled in a heated argument, these are just my points of view and I think I'm entitled to them... I fully agree with your points and I'm not disputing them, but I am disputing my right to post an op ed piece on this preievously posted work, a right which I don't feel is out of line in the slightest.
I hope you'll accept my appologies if In some way you feel that I have tried to incite an argument, I fully believe in the right of every individual to post their point of view.
Posted by shelliR on October 9, 2001, at 14:25:45
In reply to Re: poem, posted by kid_A on October 9, 2001, at 13:19:10
>
> I'm willing to conced that Bin Laden's statements concerning Palestine may not be all that they seem... I think that the important thing to think about though is that it is not a matter of being for or against Palestine so much as being against Israel and the United States, and this has always been Bin Laden's stance...Okay, just wanted you to have an open mind to the facts.
>
> I stand by my criticism of the quote-unquote poem... I feel it is trite and does not offer any more clarity or peace of mind than an American flag bumper sticker...
>
> I never meant to rile anyone up, or get embroiled in a heated argument, these are just my points of view and I think I'm entitled to them... I fully agree with your points and I'm not disputing them, but I am disputing my right to post an op ed piece on this preievously posted work, a right which I don't feel is out of line in the slightest.I don't have any problem with your right to post against the poem, and of course you have a right to your point of view.
>
> I hope you'll accept my appologies if In some way you feel that I have tried to incite an argument, I fully believe in the right of every individual to post their point of view.I wasn't offended and don't really don't need an apology. But thanks. And I think the people who a bit thrown off by your reaction expressed themselves in their posts.
Peace,
Shelli
Posted by Willow on October 9, 2001, at 21:52:52
In reply to A Poem for Everyone - Please Read, posted by Gracie2 on October 8, 2001, at 14:03:45
> It could be his turban was screwed on too tight.Or could it be that his eyes are too brown.
I think if we plan on making generalizations we should err on the side of safety. Has anyone noticed the colour of the terrosists eyes are brown? Mine are blue. So why don't we just assume that anyone with brown eyes is suspect?Weeping Willow
Posted by sar on October 10, 2001, at 1:10:31
In reply to A Poem NOT for Everyone , posted by Willow on October 9, 2001, at 21:52:52
>
> > It could be his turban was screwed on too tight.
>
> Or could it be that his eyes are too brown.
> I think if we plan on making generalizations we should err on the side of safety. Has anyone noticed the colour of the terrosists eyes are brown? Mine are blue. So why don't we just assume that anyone with brown eyes is suspect?
>
> Weeping Willowah ah ah, and here the wisdom returns.
middlin' confused blue-eyed sar
Posted by Marie1 on October 10, 2001, at 8:09:40
In reply to A Poem for Everyone - Please Read, posted by Gracie2 on October 8, 2001, at 14:03:45
Gracie,
Personally, I liked the poem. Dr. Seuss was always a favorite of mine. I don't think he'd mind comparing Bin Laden to the Grinch.
Thanks for posting it.
Marie>
> Every U down in U-ville liked U.S. a lot-
> But the Binch, who lived far east of U-ville, did not.
> The Binch hated the U.S. The whole U.S. way!
> Now don't ask me why for nobody can say,
> It could be his turban was screwed on too tight.
> Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright.
> But I think that the most likely reason of all-
> May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.
>
> But whatever the reason, his heart or his turban,
> He stood facing U-ville, the part that was urban.
> "They're doing their business!" he snarled from his perch.
> "They're raising their families! They're going to church! They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving.
> I MUST keep the S's and U's from surviving!"
>
> Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's,
> Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses,
> They'd go their offices, playgrounds and schools,
> And abide by their U and S values and rules.
>
> And then they'd do something he liked least of all.
> Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small,
> Would stand all united, each U and each S,
> And they'd sing U-ville's anthem, "God bless us! God bless!"
> All around their Twin Towers of U-ville they'd stand,
> And their voices would drown every sound in the land.
>
> "I must stop that singing," Binch said with a smirk.
> And he had an idea - an idea that might work!
> The Binch stole some U airplanes in U morning hours,
> And crashed them right into the U-ville Twin Towers.
> "They'll wake to disaster!" he snickered, so sour,
> "And how can they sing when they can't find a tower?"
>
> And Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping,
> All set to enjoy their U-wailing and weeping,
> Instead he heard something that started quite low.
> And it built up quite slow, but it started to grow-
> And the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing...
> And he couldn't believe it - they started to sing!
>
> He stared down at U-ville, not trusting his eyes,
> What he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise!
> Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small,
> Was singing! Without any towers at all!
> He HADN'T stopped U-ville from singing! It sung!
> For deep down in the hearts of the old and the young,
> Those Twin Towers were standing, called Hope and called Pride.
> And you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside.
>
> So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall,
> With a hand in each hand of the tall and the small,
> And we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope,
> For we still have inside that U-pride and U-hope.
>
> For America means a bit more than tall towers,
> It means more than wealth or political powers,
> It's more than our enemies ever could guess,
> So may Gob bless America! Bless us! God bless!
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> When I recieved this poem it came without a title and credits for whomever wrote it; our gratitude to the unknown author.
> -Gracie
Posted by kid_A on October 10, 2001, at 10:51:36
In reply to A Poem NOT for Everyone , posted by Willow on October 9, 2001, at 21:52:52
>
> Or could it be that his eyes are too brown.
> I think if we plan on making generalizations we should err on the side of safety.Im glad some one else at least picked up on the same thing I did...
Posted by Wendy B. on October 10, 2001, at 12:37:48
In reply to Re: A Poem for Everyone - Please Read » Gracie2, posted by Marie1 on October 10, 2001, at 8:09:40
> Gracie,
> Personally, I liked the poem. Dr. Seuss was always a favorite of mine. I don't think he'd mind comparing Bin Laden to the Grinch.
> Thanks for posting it.
> Marie
>
yeah, me too marie... stupid me... i smiled when i read it in my e-mail several weeks ago... and then deleted it.kid, while i respect your views, the thing didn't merit a whole op-ed piece...
more poetry, please!
W.
Posted by kid_A on October 10, 2001, at 14:13:49
In reply to Re: A Poem for Everyone? - » Marie1, posted by Wendy B. on October 10, 2001, at 12:37:48
>
> kid, while i respect your views, the thing didn't merit a whole op-ed piece...
>well, i would agree that the original work doesnt merit much of any response, but I feel its important to have a good understanding of what is going and why, and not just rally around feel-good chants like "god bless america"...
Now is a good time not just to try to put a stop to terrorism, but to understand what the issues are and why it happens...
again, just my humble opinion...
Posted by jay on October 10, 2001, at 21:24:32
In reply to Re: A Poem NOT for Everyone » Willow, posted by kid_A on October 10, 2001, at 10:51:36
Just wanted to say I agree kid_A. (Radiohead fan, yes?:-) We do have to be careful not let passion destroy reason, or else we end up just like bin Laden, or any other extremist out there. Then comes racism...Nazism..etc.
I tend to believe in the good in everyone, and that Gracie2 mean't good.
Anyhow...we are getting into politics...sorta beyond the scope of this board, I guess. :-)
Peace..
Jay
> >
> > Or could it be that his eyes are too brown.
> > I think if we plan on making generalizations we should err on the side of safety.
>
> Im glad some one else at least picked up on the same thing I did...
Posted by Maisy on October 12, 2001, at 21:40:08
In reply to Re: A Poem for Everyone? - » Wendy B., posted by kid_A on October 10, 2001, at 14:13:49
First off the guy who masterminded the attacks on U.S. wears a turban therefore it is not a generalization of a people, merely a description of the culprit, re: his turban too tight. If anyone has been watching the numerous documentaries, the reason the U.S. was attacked is the fact that they are WESTERNERS, and their mere existance is in direct opposition to the extremists' warped sense of the Islamic religion. It is NOT about anything else. They want to destroy ALL of western civilization, period. Bringing in Palestine as a contributing factor to the terror attacks simply makes it more palatable to those who resent the U.S. . Also, Shelli is correct in saying that Bin Laden never spoke on behalf of the Palestinians until just recently. His original beef was that U.S. used bases in Saudi Arabia during Gulf War and he considered it a crime to have "Infidels" on Holy soil. The Saudi's kicked him out. He's the David Koresh/Jim Jones of Islam.
Posted by kid_A on October 13, 2001, at 18:14:54
In reply to Re: A Poem for Everyone? -, posted by Maisy on October 12, 2001, at 21:40:08
I thought this discussion was over and done with, but okay I'll bite...
> First off the guy who masterminded the attacks on U.S. wears a turban therefore it is not a generalization of a people, merely a description of the culprit, re: his turban too tight.
But why focus on the tuban at all, other than to make light of it, to us the turban is seen as laughable, hence the racist term, towelhead... We focus on what someone looks like not what they did... Im sure the author did not mean to be racist, I dont think that was the intent of the work, but you have to focus on weather the same sort of language would be used lightheartedly in Afghanistan, and I don't think it would be.
>If anyone has been watching the numerous documentaries, the reason the U.S. was attacked is the fact that they are WESTERNERS, and their mere existance is in direct opposition to the extremists' warped sense of the Islamic religion.
I'm very sory to say this so bluntly, but you are just wrong. It takes a lot more than watching recent documentaries, it takes a firm grasp on the history of the US involvement in the middle east to appreciate exactly what the situation is there, and why we are so disliked...
Here is a brief excerpt from "The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many" by Noam Chomsky, detailing the US involvement in Israel:
Barsamian: What's Israel's record in compliance with the move than twenty Security Council resolutions condemning its policies?
Chomsky: It's in a class by itself.
Barsamian: No sanctions, no enforcement?
Chomksy: None. Just to pick one at random-- Security Council Resolution 425. March 1978. It called on Israel to withdraw immediately and unconditionally from Lebanon. Israel is still there., even thought the request was renewed by the government of Lebanon in February 1991, when everyone was going at Iraq.
The United States will block any attempt to change things. Many of the large number of Security Council resolutions vetoed by the US have to do with Israeli aggression or atrocities.
~~~~
>It is NOT about anything else. They want to destroy ALL of western civilization, period.
I'm sure they would like to destroy western civilization, but their motives for doing so aren't just because they hate us for some abstract and unknown reason. You are oversimplifying here to a point of ignoring the past 52 years of history...
>Bringing in Palestine as a contributing factor to the terror attacks simply makes it more palatable to those who resent the U.S. .
But Palestine is a contributing factor, If you look at up until now, and I think we are finally doing something to reverse our previous policies, if you look at history you will see a serious unilateral stance from the US as concerns the middle east...
>Also, Shelli is correct in saying that Bin Laden never spoke on behalf of the Palestinians until just recently.
It really doesnt matter if he ever had interests in Palestine or not, Palestine is simply against Israeli occupation of land they feel is theirs, Israel want's to rid itself of the Palestinians completely in any way they can, in fact to do this they started schools in the hopes that educated Palestinians would want to get out of Israel, and it worked for a little while... You can't just simply discredit Palestine as an influence simply because Osama Bin Laden was not ever acting directly on their behalf...
>His original beef was that U.S. used bases in Saudi Arabia during Gulf War and he considered it a crime to have "Infidels" on Holy soil.
Here's a blurb about the formation and intent of Al Qaeda, which is not far from your description...
"Established by Osama Bin Laden in the late 1980s to bring together Arabs who fought in Afghanistan against the Soviet invasion. Helped finance, recruit, transport, and train Sunni Islamic extremists for the Afghan resistance. Current goal is to establish a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world by working with allied Islamic extremist groups to overthrow regimes it deems "non-Islamic" and expelling Westerners and non-Muslims from Muslim countries. Issued statement under banner of "the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders" in February 1998, saying it was the duty of all Muslims to kill US citizens--civilian or military--and their allies everywhere"
There is a very long history of bloodshed and suffering as concerns the middle east in general, and I think that kind of destruction and desperation naturally breeds these types of extremeists who seek to segregate themselves from people they deem threatening to their way of life and safety... And unfortunately they will attempt to do this by any means possible...
>The Saudi's kicked him out. He's the David Koresh/Jim Jones of Islam.
Yes, he is a discrace to the Saudi family, he is a discrace to his own family, he is an extremist and yes, you can infer that it is cultlike in its opperation... I think that the extremists have very different goals than the more moderate Islamic peoples... The extremists want a totally Islamic regime free of US involvement and the Israeli people... The moderates just want to have access to their holy lands and support so that they can live their lives in peace and so that they can have food to eat and grow as a country safe in their own belief systems.... They want to feel that their interests are being looked at fairly and not unilateraly in favour of Israel...
Posted by jay on October 14, 2001, at 13:13:08
In reply to Re: Oh for Pete's sake.....kid_A (nm) (nm), posted by tina on October 8, 2001, at 21:07:26
Posted by Gracie2 on October 14, 2001, at 15:17:34
In reply to Re: A Poem for Everyone? -, posted by Maisy on October 12, 2001, at 21:40:08
I believe Maisy is correct in her interpretation and I would also like to address one other comment, about a rhyme stylised in the manner of Dr. Suess being inappropriate considering the magnitude of what happened...
this poem in no way down-plays the horror of what happened on September 11th. The purpose of the poem was to show patriotism. If you haven't noticed, Americans are using patriotism as a method of dealing with the death and destruction,
and there's nothing wrong with that. Being argumentive and over-analyzing doesn't help anyone, and we do need help.
-Gracie
Posted by tina on October 14, 2001, at 18:24:04
In reply to Who is Pete? :-) (nm) » tina, posted by jay on October 14, 2001, at 13:13:08
I always wondered that too :)
Posted by Mitchell on October 14, 2001, at 21:28:13
In reply to Who is Pete? :-) (nm) » tina, posted by jay on October 14, 2001, at 13:13:08
Peter, formerly known as Simon, the brother of Andrew, was a 1st century Galillean fishermen recruited by an heir to the Hebrew throne to serve as a leader of a spiritual movement in occupied Palestine. Peter is reported to have once denied any affiliation with the Hebrew royalty when Roman soldiers and Hebrew religious leaders were interrogating Jesus, the 1st century heir to the Hebrew throne. Peter, sometimes known as Simon Peter, was later dubbed St. Peter by members a Roman sect that embraced as its core mythology the legacy of the abdicated Isrealite king. Peter reportedly died as the victim of crucifixion, by some accounts on an inverted crucifix, which the legend says he requested as a symbol his lesser status in comparison to the martyred king.
The idiom "for Pete's sake" is widely believed to be a minced oath - a milder version of "for Christ's sake" - first used by members of sects that prohibit references to a supreme being in vain utterances. It is now more often used as a rhetorical device to add emphasis, especially when a speaker wants to claim axiomatic merit of an argument without providing a logical basis.
Posted by susan C on October 15, 2001, at 15:13:46
In reply to Pete, formerly known as Simon ... » jay, posted by Mitchell on October 14, 2001, at 21:28:13
Hi, Mitchell, Your post was truely inspiring. I am saving it to read again, when I have more sense to me wee brain. Also, I cant keep everyone separated, so if you are Mitch or Michael or any other M, I apologize. Any who, welcome and May I introduce you to Paxvox, another PB word-lanuage nut?
He knows latin, which really impresses me...I am just a junk word and phrase collector...and silly i-ster
mouse with no sense
susan C> Peter, formerly known as Simon, the brother of Andrew, was a 1st century Galillean fishermen recruited by an heir to the Hebrew throne to serve as a leader of a spiritual movement in occupied Palestine. Peter is reported to have once denied any affiliation with the Hebrew royalty when Roman soldiers and Hebrew religious leaders were interrogating Jesus, the 1st century heir to the Hebrew throne. Peter, sometimes known as Simon Peter, was later dubbed St. Peter by members a Roman sect that embraced as its core mythology the legacy of the abdicated Isrealite king. Peter reportedly died as the victim of crucifixion, by some accounts on an inverted crucifix, which the legend says he requested as a symbol his lesser status in comparison to the martyred king.
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> The idiom "for Pete's sake" is widely believed to be a minced oath - a milder version of "for Christ's sake" - first used by members of sects that prohibit references to a supreme being in vain utterances. It is now more often used as a rhetorical device to add emphasis, especially when a speaker wants to claim axiomatic merit of an argument without providing a logical basis.
Posted by Maisy on October 30, 2001, at 7:03:08
In reply to Re: A Poem for Everyone? - » Maisy, posted by kid_A on October 13, 2001, at 18:14:54
That's like saying that Ruby Ridge and Waco were a contributing factor in the Oklahmona bombing. Madmen will use any injustice as a vehicle for their hatred. It has more to do with psychosis than politics.
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