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Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 13, 2001, at 17:53:06
Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
sure use some support because life just doesn't
seem worth the bother and the pain.
Right now, I would like to crawl in a
hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
and misthoughts that I have committed. The
"black dog" is upon me today and I do not
have the psychic energy to push him away.
I have tried to be the best son that any
parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
and for right now, there is not much I can do
about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
my control. This is not like me to play the
role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
at fencing off my parents' negative and
critical natures. Not today,however.Glenn
Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
as well as gentle.
Posted by dreamer on July 13, 2001, at 18:26:20
In reply to Need some support, posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 13, 2001, at 17:53:06
>
> Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> sure use some support because life just doesn't
> seem worth the bother and the pain.
> Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> have the psychic energy to push him away.
> I have tried to be the best son that any
> parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> and for right now, there is not much I can do
> about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> my control. This is not like me to play the
> role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> at fencing off my parents' negative and
> critical natures. Not today,however.
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> as well as gentle.
>Hi there Glen sorry to hear about your day . I'm not to helpful where parents are concerned I feel any posts dealing with parental problems difficult -digs up too many grim memories.
Sending good vibes your way.
Posted by susan C on July 13, 2001, at 18:59:33
In reply to Re: Need some support » Glenn Fagelson, posted by dreamer on July 13, 2001, at 18:26:20
Good dog...pat, pat, good dog, good dog.
> >
> > Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> > sure use some support because life just doesn't
> > seem worth the bother and the pain.
> > Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> > hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> > and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> > "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> > have the psychic energy to push him away.
> > I have tried to be the best son that any
> > parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> > of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> > and for right now, there is not much I can do
> > about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> > my control. This is not like me to play the
> > role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> > to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> > at fencing off my parents' negative and
> > critical natures. Not today,however.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> > Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> > as well as gentle.
> >
>
> Hi there Glen sorry to hear about your day . I'm not to helpful where parents are concerned I feel any posts dealing with parental problems difficult -digs up too many grim memories.
> Sending good vibes your way.
Posted by mist on July 13, 2001, at 19:32:32
In reply to Need some support, posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 13, 2001, at 17:53:06
Glenn,
Family problems are the worst. They can be soooo difficult and take a lot out of you.
I hope you feel better soon.
-mist
>
> Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> sure use some support because life just doesn't
> seem worth the bother and the pain.
> Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> have the psychic energy to push him away.
> I have tried to be the best son that any
> parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> and for right now, there is not much I can do
> about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> my control. This is not like me to play the
> role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> at fencing off my parents' negative and
> critical natures. Not today,however.
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> as well as gentle.
>
Posted by mair on July 13, 2001, at 22:26:37
In reply to Need some support, posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 13, 2001, at 17:53:06
>Glenn - not to dismiss your experience, but it is Friday the 13th after all and you posted at the end of the work day. My husband and I are always very testy on Fridays after work. It's as if we've put so much energy into the week. We come home, we're tired, physically and mentally, and we each need our private space to get into some other mode. Let me know how you feel tomorrow. In a weakened condition, it's always harder to fight off demons.
Mair
> Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> sure use some support because life just doesn't
> seem worth the bother and the pain.
> Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> have the psychic energy to push him away.
> I have tried to be the best son that any
> parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> and for right now, there is not much I can do
> about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> my control. This is not like me to play the
> role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> at fencing off my parents' negative and
> critical natures. Not today,however.
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> as well as gentle.
>
Posted by lissa on July 13, 2001, at 22:40:18
In reply to Need some support, posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 13, 2001, at 17:53:06
Distractions might be a good idea. Calvin and Hobbes comics are always good and there are probably lots of websites that have them.
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 1:55:45
In reply to Re: Need some support » Glenn Fagelson, posted by dreamer on July 13, 2001, at 18:26:20
> >
> > Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> > sure use some support because life just doesn't
> > seem worth the bother and the pain.
> > Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> > hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> > and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> > "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> > have the psychic energy to push him away.
> > I have tried to be the best son that any
> > parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> > of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> > and for right now, there is not much I can do
> > about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> > my control. This is not like me to play the
> > role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> > to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> > at fencing off my parents' negative and
> > critical natures. Not today,however.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> > Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> > as well as gentle.
> >
>
> Hi there Glen sorry to hear about your day . I'm not to helpful where parents are concerned I feel any posts dealing with parental problems difficult -digs up too many grim memories.
> Sending good vibes your way.Thank you, Dreamer; thank you!
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 1:58:38
In reply to Re: Need some support, posted by susan C on July 13, 2001, at 18:59:33
> Good dog...pat, pat, good dog, good dog.
> > >
> > > Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> > > sure use some support because life just doesn't
> > > seem worth the bother and the pain.
> > > Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> > > hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> > > and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> > > "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> > > have the psychic energy to push him away.
> > > I have tried to be the best son that any
> > > parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> > > of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> > > and for right now, there is not much I can do
> > > about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> > > my control. This is not like me to play the
> > > role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> > > to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> > > at fencing off my parents' negative and
> > > critical natures. Not today,however.
> > >
> > > Glenn
> > >
> > >
> > > Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> > > as well as gentle.
> > >
> >
> > Hi there Glen sorry to hear about your day . I'm not to helpful where parents are concerned I feel any posts dealing with parental problems difficult -digs up too many grim memories.
> > Sending good vibes your way.Dear Susan,
Was your post some idea of a joke?
If so, I didn't find it to be very
humorous!
Glenn
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 2:00:47
In reply to Re: Need some support, posted by mist on July 13, 2001, at 19:32:32
> Glenn,
>
> Family problems are the worst. They can be soooo difficult and take a lot out of you.
>
> I hope you feel better soon.
>
> -mistThank you, Mist; I appreciate your
supportive post!
Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> > sure use some support because life just doesn't
> > seem worth the bother and the pain.
> > Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> > hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> > and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> > "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> > have the psychic energy to push him away.
> > I have tried to be the best son that any
> > parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> > of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> > and for right now, there is not much I can do
> > about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> > my control. This is not like me to play the
> > role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> > to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> > at fencing off my parents' negative and
> > critical natures. Not today,however.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> > Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> > as well as gentle.
> >
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 2:04:15
In reply to Re: Need some support, posted by mair on July 13, 2001, at 22:26:37
> >Glenn - not to dismiss your experience, but it is Friday the 13th after all and you posted at the end of the work day. My husband and I are always very testy on Fridays after work. It's as if we've put so much energy into the week. We come home, we're tired, physically and mentally, and we each need our private space to get into some other mode. Let me know how you feel tomorrow. In a weakened condition, it's always harder to fight off demons.
>
> MairThanks for your post; I have taken your feedback into account; and yes I forgot that it has been Friday the 13th. I will let you know tomorrow how I am doing. Thanks again!
Glenn
> > Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> > sure use some support because life just doesn't
> > seem worth the bother and the pain.
> > Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> > hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> > and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> > "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> > have the psychic energy to push him away.
> > I have tried to be the best son that any
> > parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> > of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> > and for right now, there is not much I can do
> > about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> > my control. This is not like me to play the
> > role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> > to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> > at fencing off my parents' negative and
> > critical natures. Not today,however.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> > Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> > as well as gentle.
> >
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 2:06:46
In reply to Re: Need some support » Glenn Fagelson, posted by lissa on July 13, 2001, at 22:40:18
> Distractions might be a good idea. Calvin and Hobbes comics are always good and there are probably lots of websites that have them.
Thank you, Lissa; It didn't know that
Calvin and Hobbes was on the Internet;
maybe I'll take your advice and check
it out.Glenn
Posted by Anna Laura on July 14, 2001, at 4:30:07
In reply to Need some support, posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 13, 2001, at 17:53:06
>
> Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> sure use some support because life just doesn't
> seem worth the bother and the pain.
> Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> have the psychic energy to push him away.
> I have tried to be the best son that any
> parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> and for right now, there is not much I can do
> about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> my control. This is not like me to play the
> role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> at fencing off my parents' negative and
> critical natures. Not today,however.
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> as well as gentle.
>Hi Glenn,
Don't know what to say except that i've been in your shoes: i definitely know how it feels like.
i used to say i was the "lightning-rod" of the family. When one member of the family was nervous discharged his/her rage/anxiety over me :i was hit no matter what, even if it wasn't my fault.
It's difficult to get rid of the role your family assigned you. I don't know if you were talking about this in your post, sometimes i'm having a hard time to decipher the posts, especially if ther's some slang kind of language in it.
Anyway i'm absolutely sure about this: i know the black dog very well, unfortunately.
When i was a child i used to call it "the enemy".
As an adult i've pushed it down deep inside of me, because of rational thinking/psychoanalisis readings,(stay away from that! it's counter-productive!) so that has become part of me now.
Now it's like a Doctor Jekill/mister Hyde type of thing: the ultimate paradox is that lately i've been considering that i was wiser when i was a child: if you can push this thing out, it definitely still has some control over you, but it's way much easier to counter-attack it. Do you know what i mean? If the monster it's outside you can "talk to him", declare war, fighting it back so that is way more easier to defeat it. I hope this post makes some sense and doesn't sound too weird.....Hope you're feeling better today
Anna Laura
Posted by Rach on July 14, 2001, at 4:49:10
In reply to Need some support, posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 13, 2001, at 17:53:06
Hi Glenn,
I hope this post finds you less under the power of the black dog. It sounds like your parents are immature and unfortunately you are suffering the effects of that. I just want you to know that as long as you don't follow their lead, then you are better than they are. I know that you can rise above their pettiness and be a great person.
Everyone has days when they cannot shake off the 'black dog', so please don't be angry at yourself for having a down day.
I hope lighter days are heading your way,
Rachael
Posted by susan C on July 14, 2001, at 9:42:34
In reply to Re: Need some support » susan C, posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 1:58:38
> > Good dog...pat, pat, good dog, good dog.
> > > >
> > > > Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> > > > sure use some support because life just doesn't
> > > > seem worth the bother and the pain.
> > > > Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> > > > hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> > > > and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> > > > "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> > > > have the psychic energy to push him away.
> > > > I have tried to be the best son that any
> > > > parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> > > > of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> > > > and for right now, there is not much I can do
> > > > about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> > > > my control. This is not like me to play the
> > > > role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> > > > to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> > > > at fencing off my parents' negative and
> > > > critical natures. Not today,however.
> > > >
> > > > Glenn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> > > > as well as gentle.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi there Glen sorry to hear about your day . I'm not to helpful where parents are concerned I feel any posts dealing with parental problems difficult -digs up too many grim memories.
> > > Sending good vibes your way.
>
> Dear Susan,
> Was your post some idea of a joke?
> If so, I didn't find it to be very
> humorous!
> Glennmy apologies, Glen, it was a chain of thought, black dog, dog, good dog, pat pat...I hadn't heard the term before, and it got me going, I didnt mean it in any mean way, just comfort. Sorry.
Posted by Jane D on July 14, 2001, at 13:14:43
In reply to Re: Need some support, posted by susan C on July 14, 2001, at 9:42:34
> > > Good dog...pat, pat, good dog, good dog.
>
> my apologies, Glen, it was a chain of thought, black dog, dog, good dog, pat pat...I hadn't heard the term before, and it got me going, I didnt mean it in any mean way, just comfort. Sorry.Susan - I got it and thought it was hilarious.
Glenn - Try to picture yourself facing a large vicious (black) dog saying "Nice doggy, nice doggy" as your voice shakes and you try to back slowly away.
Seriously, one of the few things I've learned over the years is not to take my initial reactions seriously. My judgement stinks. Especially when I'm having one of those rotten days that you described so eloquently. My natural inclination is to assume everything is a put down. I've had plenty of days when I would have assumed that the dog comment was an attack on me even if I couldn't quite figure out how. Most of the time I can tell myself that it isn't - that my perceptions are totally off today. And even if I don't really believe that I try to act as though I did. The value of this is that it helps me to avoid alienating people who really did mean no harm and who I really want to keep around. Assuming the worst of people is one of the problems with this illness. It's also one that others can't understand. Letting them know that you have assumed the worst about them is something most people find unforgivable.
Lecture complete. I hope you're feeling better.
Jane
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 14:51:41
In reply to Re: Need some support: Monsters and Enemies, posted by Anna Laura on July 14, 2001, at 4:30:07
> >
> > Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> > sure use some support because life just doesn't
> > seem worth the bother and the pain.
> > Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> > hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> > and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> > "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> > have the psychic energy to push him away.
> > I have tried to be the best son that any
> > parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> > of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> > and for right now, there is not much I can do
> > about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> > my control. This is not like me to play the
> > role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> > to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> > at fencing off my parents' negative and
> > critical natures. Not today,however.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> > Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> > as well as gentle.
> >
>
> Hi Glenn,
>
> Don't know what to say except that i've been in your shoes: i definitely know how it feels like.
> i used to say i was the "lightning-rod" of the family. When one member of the family was nervous discharged his/her rage/anxiety over me :i was hit no matter what, even if it wasn't my fault.
> It's difficult to get rid of the role your family assigned you. I don't know if you were talking about this in your post, sometimes i'm having a hard time to decipher the posts, especially if ther's some slang kind of language in it.
> Anyway i'm absolutely sure about this: i know the black dog very well, unfortunately.
> When i was a child i used to call it "the enemy".
> As an adult i've pushed it down deep inside of me, because of rational thinking/psychoanalisis readings,(stay away from that! it's counter-productive!) so that has become part of me now.
> Now it's like a Doctor Jekill/mister Hyde type of thing: the ultimate paradox is that lately i've been considering that i was wiser when i was a child: if you can push this thing out, it definitely still has some control over you, but it's way much easier to counter-attack it. Do you know what i mean? If the monster it's outside you can "talk to him", declare war, fighting it back so that is way more easier to defeat it. I hope this post makes some sense and doesn't sound too weird.....
>
> Hope you're feeling better today
>
> Anna LauraThank you, Anna Laura for your post. I
am sorry to hear that you were the
lightning rod in your family and I
am sorry to hear how you have struggled
with the black dog. Thanks again!
Glenn
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 14:55:36
In reply to Re: Need some support, posted by Rach on July 14, 2001, at 4:49:10
> Hi Glenn,
>
> I hope this post finds you less under the power of the black dog. It sounds like your parents are immature and unfortunately you are suffering the effects of that. I just want you to know that as long as you don't follow their lead, then you are better than they are. I know that you can rise above their pettiness and be a great person.
>
> Everyone has days when they cannot shake off the 'black dog', so please don't be angry at yourself for having a down day.
>
> I hope lighter days are heading your way,
> RachaelThank you, Rachel. Yes, unfortunately
my parents happen to be very petty
people. I hope lighter days are
ahead of me too.Glenn
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 14:59:58
In reply to Re: Need some support, posted by susan C on July 14, 2001, at 9:42:34
>
>
> > > Good dog...pat, pat, good dog, good dog.
> > > > >
> > > > > Folks, it has been a real bad day and I could
> > > > > sure use some support because life just doesn't
> > > > > seem worth the bother and the pain.
> > > > > Right now, I would like to crawl in a
> > > > > hole and get a lobotomy for "imagined" misdeeds
> > > > > and misthoughts that I have committed. The
> > > > > "black dog" is upon me today and I do not
> > > > > have the psychic energy to push him away.
> > > > > I have tried to be the best son that any
> > > > > parent would ever want. I am the gentlest
> > > > > of souls. My parents try to make me the whipping boy in my family;
> > > > > and for right now, there is not much I can do
> > > > > about it, due to certain circumstances beyond
> > > > > my control. This is not like me to play the
> > > > > role of the victim, but I guess I am entitled
> > > > > to it for 1 day. Usually I am pretty good
> > > > > at fencing off my parents' negative and
> > > > > critical natures. Not today,however.
> > > > >
> > > > > Glenn
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ps: Don't get me wrong; I can be quite assertive
> > > > > as well as gentle.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi there Glen sorry to hear about your day . I'm not to helpful where parents are concerned I feel any posts dealing with parental problems difficult -digs up too many grim memories.
> > > > Sending good vibes your way.
> >
> > Dear Susan,
> > Was your post some idea of a joke?
> > If so, I didn't find it to be very
> > humorous!
> > Glenn
>
> my apologies, Glen, it was a chain of thought, black dog, dog, good dog, pat pat...I hadn't heard the term before, and it got me going, I didnt mean it in any mean way, just comfort. Sorry.Dear Susan,
Apology accepted. I didn't know
that you were referring to the "black
dog"; in my mental state, I thought
you were referring to me. The "black
dog" is a term used for melancholy
and clinical depression.
Glenn
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 14, 2001, at 15:07:22
In reply to Re: Need some support » susan C, posted by Jane D on July 14, 2001, at 13:14:43
> > > > Good dog...pat, pat, good dog, good dog.
> >
> > my apologies, Glen, it was a chain of thought, black dog, dog, good dog, pat pat...I hadn't heard the term before, and it got me going, I didnt mean it in any mean way, just comfort. Sorry.
>
> Susan - I got it and thought it was hilarious.
>
> Glenn - Try to picture yourself facing a large vicious (black) dog saying "Nice doggy, nice doggy" as your voice shakes and you try to back slowly away.
>
> Seriously, one of the few things I've learned over the years is not to take my initial reactions seriously. My judgement stinks. Especially when I'm having one of those rotten days that you described so eloquently. My natural inclination is to assume everything is a put down. I've had plenty of days when I would have assumed that the dog comment was an attack on me even if I couldn't quite figure out how. Most of the time I can tell myself that it isn't - that my perceptions are totally off today. And even if I don't really believe that I try to act as though I did. The value of this is that it helps me to avoid alienating people who really did mean no harm and who I really want to keep around. Assuming the worst of people is one of the problems with this illness. It's also one that others can't understand. Letting them know that you have assumed the worst about them is something most people find unforgivable.
>
> Lecture complete. I hope you're feeling better.
>
> JaneYou are right, Jane. In my state
yesterday, I thought I was the
"black dog". Thanks for your
feedback!
Glenn
Posted by JennyR on July 17, 2001, at 5:50:23
In reply to Need some support, posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 13, 2001, at 17:53:06
Sorry to hear about this. I get a lot of undeserved crap from my mother. I did as a kid and I do now, and it can really get to me at times.
Just trust that it is her/them and not you.
You know you are a good person, don't let them shake that. How they act is a reflection of where they're coming from.
Posted by Glenn Fagelson on July 18, 2001, at 23:49:35
In reply to Re: Need some support, posted by JennyR on July 17, 2001, at 5:50:23
> Sorry to hear about this. I get a lot of undeserved crap from my mother. I did as a kid and I do now, and it can really get to me at times.
> Just trust that it is her/them and not you.
> You know you are a good person, don't let them shake that. How they act is a reflection of where they're coming from.
Hi Jenny,
Thank you for your kind and empathic words!
I am keeping my distance from them for awhile.
I hope you are feeling better these days.Take care,
Glenn
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