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Posted by Adam on February 11, 2001, at 19:24:19
I have been for months now utterly swamped with work. The bad thing about science is the more you accomplish you more work you create for yourself in the way of following up interesting results and publishing. All part of my "getting more motivated" kick. If I had just sat on my butt instead, I'd have so much less to do right now. That's what you get for self-improvement, I suppose. I still want to create a web page about MAO, etc., but that's way on the back-burner, at the moment.
I was cleaning house (the only time my place is really clean is when I have other things I should be doing) and dug up more stuff I had written in various places. Some of these things are approaching ten years old. I had forgotten them, mostly. They made a fair impression, as a result, and, like all the things I wrote around them, are a pretty clear indicator of my tortured state of mind.
I stopped writing for a long time, and then a few months ago began again, for a little while, before I got hosed with work. I thought I would post them. It's is easy to do because I already wrote them, and allows some contribution to this forum that I hope is positive. Also, maybe other people can share their writing, too.
The word "catharsis" gets beaten to a hackneyed pulp in the realm of pop-psyche, but it's still useful, despite the abuse. These things were my catharses. Maybe it's also helpful to share them...group therapy?
This one I wrote after an old g/f suggested various "issues" might be related to my mother's death, long ago. The mere suggestion thoroughly pissed me off. I never confessed later that I had written this, after one of my first therapy sessions, which also thoroughly pissed me off...Voice 6/92
Can't say, can't move my mouth the
way the feelings feel
A spiraling falling voice from afar
A strangely soothing voice from the depths
Deep beneath the surface of the dream
The shock, the living terror of what wasTumbling and twisting in
A phantom wind, the breath of ghosts
A voice, so far away and sad
Echoes forming sounds I cannot grasp
and I awake
The waking breaks the dream with a shudderI look up as if to see
a face, a smile
but you are long vanished
and where does happiness go
but into the hole where you fellI am guiltless but for this inconsideration:
I barely remember you, never kept your memory sacred
I can't even picture you clearly
Your grave still brings me tears that are foreign
Crying for a friend I could have never hadCreature haunting me, is it you?
Rising from beneath, an explanation
A clinical concept to explain my
Clinical condition
This one represents a recurring theme: heartbreak...Mistake 9/91
When, or how, or why
Did I ever understand you
Or misread the symbols
Mistake the signs
Always, always blind
Did a touch signal love
Did a thought become a fact
When, before, you kissed me
Was it complianceObligation............................ In the morning
Social conventions.............Your face and hair
Making moves.....................And touch were
Kissing deeply....................The first time I felt
Undressing..........................So good in so longSleeping, or trying
The sadness is not that you are not for me
Nothing, a dead end, a brick wall
The fact remains
Remains a fact, and nothing changes thatBut those moments
Were they just the motion
Just the standard course
Wishful thinking, we ignore the past attractions
Was it that
Was it that
Or was it always nothing
Just my imagination
Another, along that same vein...To Forget 9/91
She walks into the room with her smile
She has that charming air about her, but
Just what do I see in her who
Does not care for meIf I were, or if I could be hers
She would see
So many sides of being
I could unlock
Something deep withinYou pull me to you, breathing, and
Pull me through you
and
In an empty arm and leg embrace I fell
Something contemporary...I tried to write a song, basically. I think this represents a healthier outlook, coupled with a lot of the older me. It has no name...3/2000
I wouldn’t have tried but, well, what else could I do
You sent me that note before the Monday was through
And since we had only really spoken that Sunday
It was a surprise to talk the very next dayI never expected much, so I can’t say why
I couldn’t just chill and let the evening go by
I guess I got nervous, just like I always do
When I’m sitting close to someone pretty as youBut still I’m surprised I lost whatever appeal
In the perfunctory bullshit you trade over a meal
I couldn’t help thinking that there might have been more
But maybe there wasn’t really much to exploreIt was long ago so now what more can I say
You blew me off in the nicest possible way
So I walked the walk alone in debt to your kindness
The exit you handled with such perfect finesseThe things I can’t help, I guess it’s useless to try
Can’t even begrudge you what you’re kindness belied
So I wish you well although in truth I confess
I still kept your number and your name and adressJust a reminder, or perhaps something more?
I’ll never know why or what I do these things for
Maybe for a chance however slight it may be
To know how you’ll feel when you see her close to meTo know how you’ll feel when you see her close to me…
And, lastly, something happier...For E., 2/2000
How did I find you
What other sense informed me
Of your secret and you of mine
How did you find me
What did you see
Behind my eyes
The silent cues that
Evade the waking mind,
The conscious thought
They move us nonetheless
With all our senses clear
To reveal the content of one’s heart
Abandon lies of omission
A precognition
A small miracle among friends
Posted by willow on February 11, 2001, at 21:57:45
In reply to Poems, writings (warning: contains language..., posted by Adam on February 11, 2001, at 19:24:19
You are into science? Your writing is very good!
"Voice 6/92" -this made me cry
"Something contemporary...I tried to write a song, basically."
Have you made any attempt at marketing them?
Do you find it easier to write when you're depressed? (What a morbid question, but I realized that people liked my stories *they were more descriptive - actually more feeling* when I am depressed.)
Posted by Adam on February 11, 2001, at 23:21:56
In reply to What can I say?, posted by willow on February 11, 2001, at 21:57:45
> You are into science? Your writing is very good!
I was also a Religious Studies major in school. Given the merciless hammering my first papers received in college, I told myself "you had damn well better learn how to write." So I honestly think I do write a little better than some of my colleagues, who were never challenged in that way.
> "Voice 6/92" -this made me cry
>
> "Something contemporary...I tried to write a song, basically."
>
> Have you made any attempt at marketing them?None at all. I absolutely hated this when I first wrote it. I feel a little better about it now. The thing I like about it I guess is it reveals something about adult love: the resignation maturity brings, learning to be "big" about it yet harboring something wounded and petty.
> Do you find it easier to write when you're depressed? (What a morbid question, but I realized that people liked my stories *they were more descriptive - actually more feeling* when I am depressed.)
Yes, I do, unfortunately. I used to make up little tunes all the time on my guitar. They could be kind of dreary (party music? NOT!), but they were also kind of creative. A little harsh. Edgy? I don't know. Now, if I make anything up, it's nice. "Nice". How boring. But, given the alternative, I guess I'll part with the muse if it means not sincerely wanting to be dead sometimes. It's just not worth it.But, hey, what have you written?
Posted by Rach on February 12, 2001, at 1:22:22
In reply to Re: What can I say?, posted by Adam on February 11, 2001, at 23:21:56
I have also found that I write better when depressed, and that my anti depressants certianly stifle any creative impulse.
I love writing so much - but find it so hard at the moment. Beautiful writing, Adam. I'm too shy to post anything.
Posted by mars on February 12, 2001, at 23:20:04
In reply to Poems, writings (warning: contains language..., posted by Adam on February 11, 2001, at 19:24:19
hey Adam ~
I'm so glad you posted some of your writings. Do you like music? Have you ever listened to Joseph Arthur? You remind me a bit of his lyrics.
It's funny, I was just telling someone else from PB about my strange father, who got an undergraduate degree in English at Yale (he won a scholarship there, I think for football), but took all the science classes he needed to get into a PhD program in pharmacology there. I made my best grades in engineering classes, but fell in love with literary studies and continental philosophy...so, of course, I have always made my living working with computers. I'll always dig that left brain/right brain mix.
I stopped writing after a bad hospitalization experience. Still haven't figured out what happened, but I'll always be a readerly sort. I'm so glad that people like yrself do what you do.
best,
mars
Posted by Adam on February 13, 2001, at 19:15:16
In reply to Creation stifled with AD, posted by Rach on February 12, 2001, at 1:22:22
I hope you feel less shy soon.
I've been interested for a while in this suspicion that ADs stifle
creativity. Maybe happier people just aren't as creative, ADs or no,
or put their creativity to other uses than sad poetry.BUT, what if there were something to the suspicion. This thing people
call the "muse". What is it? If you're like me, and assume everything
boils down to chemicals at some basic level, the idea of "muses" and
flashes of creativity or intuition is truly fascinating. It begs the
question, certainly, of where or how these fertile impulses originate.
If creativity is related to something physiological, I suppose it is at
least possible that a medication could influence it. I'm left thinking
of the post-beat years when the Burrowses and the Ginsbergs were
fairly happy to sample the pharmacopia (as prescribed by Leary), and
looked to psychoactives for new ideas.My take on the acid trip: People who dwell on it, or rely on it all
sound the same. I just think, dude, you're stoned. Go drink some
grapefruit juice and take a nap.'Hate to think other drugs are equally stultifying.
> I have also found that I write better when depressed, and that my anti depressants certianly stifle any creative impulse.
>
> I love writing so much - but find it so hard at the moment. Beautiful writing, Adam. I'm too shy to post anything.
Posted by Adam on February 13, 2001, at 19:32:27
In reply to Re: Creation stifled with AD, posted by Adam on February 13, 2001, at 19:15:16
Dang it. Burroughs. Never could spell :).
> I hope you feel less shy soon.
>
> I've been interested for a while in this suspicion that ADs stifle
> creativity. Maybe happier people just aren't as creative, ADs or no,
> or put their creativity to other uses than sad poetry.
>
> BUT, what if there were something to the suspicion. This thing people
> call the "muse". What is it? If you're like me, and assume everything
> boils down to chemicals at some basic level, the idea of "muses" and
> flashes of creativity or intuition is truly fascinating. It begs the
> question, certainly, of where or how these fertile impulses originate.
> If creativity is related to something physiological, I suppose it is at
> least possible that a medication could influence it. I'm left thinking
> of the post-beat years when the Burrowses and the Ginsbergs were
> fairly happy to sample the pharmacopia (as prescribed by Leary), and
> looked to psychoactives for new ideas.
>
> My take on the acid trip: People who dwell on it, or rely on it all
> sound the same. I just think, dude, you're stoned. Go drink some
> grapefruit juice and take a nap.
>
> 'Hate to think other drugs are equally stultifying.
>
>
>
> > I have also found that I write better when depressed, and that my anti depressants certianly stifle any creative impulse.
> >
> > I love writing so much - but find it so hard at the moment. Beautiful writing, Adam. I'm too shy to post anything.
Posted by willow on February 13, 2001, at 20:45:21
In reply to Re: Creation stifled with AD, posted by Adam on February 13, 2001, at 19:32:27
'Hate to think other drugs are equally stultifying.
Unfortunately they are? Perhaps I have a depressive personality because I enjoy it when I'm able to write descriptively and with feeling.
To fall asleep quickly I makeup fictional plots. I start at the beginning everytime and keep building on. If I'm tired I'll fall asleep just thinking of the beginning. (The stories stop me from worrying about the past or planning the future.) But now on the effexor I'm not able to do this. Weird?
Posted by Rach on February 14, 2001, at 8:33:08
In reply to Re: Creation stifled with AD, posted by willow on February 13, 2001, at 20:45:21
> To fall asleep quickly I makeup fictional plots. I start at the beginning everytime and keep building on. If I'm tired I'll fall asleep just thinking of the beginning. (The stories stop me from worrying about the past or planning the future.) But now on the effexor I'm not able to do this. Weird?
Me too! I make up scenarios in my head about things I want to happen or that I know I would enjoy. It always involves myself and real people, but in a fictional setting. I'm having trouble sleeping & making my stories. But, the stories are coming a little more easier of late. But, the sleeping has been worse. Will there always be a trade off???
Posted by Noa on February 14, 2001, at 12:10:05
In reply to Re: Creation stifled with AD, posted by Adam on February 13, 2001, at 19:15:16
Adam, I enjoyed your poetry. You write well.
I used to write poems and journal entries, but do feel less creative now. I don't know if it is from the ADs or not. But I don't miss it that much, considering I really like not being depressed!
Posted by willow on February 14, 2001, at 13:36:15
In reply to Willow, posted by Rach on February 14, 2001, at 8:33:08
"I'm having trouble sleeping & making my stories. But, the stories are coming a little more easier of late. But, the sleeping has been worse. Will there always be a trade off???"
For me sleeping isn't a problem but staying awake is. Perhaps we could trade off a few hours and balance things out? : )
Posted by Adam on February 14, 2001, at 17:57:05
In reply to Re: Creation stifled with AD, posted by Noa on February 14, 2001, at 12:10:05
Noa, and others: Do the drugs make you happier?
I think that's the major parameter to consider. It's tough to imagine how to design a "creativity index" so that you can say in any quantifiable way that one's creative potential is affected by an antidepressant. I guess one thing that would set off buzzers in my mind is if people who felt they were deriving no emotional benefit from an AD still had major complaints about a creative urge.
For instance, I didn't get a whole lot out of SSRIs, emotionally. But I know they were having an influence on seratonin signaling because I couldn't really get it up, or if I could not much came of it (I know, bad, bad pun).
Around the time I started SSRIs, I stopped writing. Maybe there's a connection, maybe not. I don't know. But this was only something I thought of after the fact. And the evidence is as clear as the frequency of entries in my journal. I had more free time, did less with it. One thing I do think is true about Zoloft (the main drug for that period): I definitely couldn't give a rat's ass sometimes, whether I felt good about something or not. Before, I was certainly unhappy, but "yeah, whatever" was not my usual way of dealing with things.
Now there's a new drug. I'm very happy, by comparison. I'm still not writing that much in the way of poetry. Just don't have the urge.
But, I was planning an experiment yesterday. It's kind of hard to explain. Basically, I needed to get some DNA in some cells so that the cells would express a gene they normally don't. Now, the way I'm getting the DNA in the cells is to complex the DNA with some lipids, and then, once the complex forms, add a modified version of a cold virus (adenovirus) to the mix. Cells normally take up DNA that is complexed with certain lipids, but the addition of the virus greatly enhances this process.
The particular gene I wanted to put in the cells can be turned on by another gene, also normally not expressed (or expressed only sparingly). However, you can introduce a copy of this second gene too, in such a way that it ramps up the expression of the first one. However, the way my experiment was designed, I couldn't simultaneously add another chunk of DNA to my lipid/DNA complex to "co-transfect" them, as they say (the reason is too complicated to get into here - it has to do with ratios of DNA to lipid and toxicity, and the fact I didn't want change certain parameters to accomodate another chunk of DNA). However, we have an adenovirus on hand that happens to be engineered to express this second gene.
Normally, when I use adenovirus to enhance lipid:DNA gene transfer, I use a really dead form of the virus, one that can infect a cell, but does nothing once it's in there. I never tried to use a virus that both would facilitate gene transfer AND deliver another gene of my choosing to the cell (all the viruses I use have their own DNA inside of them, plus whatever we introduce ourselves). When I suggested this as a workaround to my boss, he was unimpressed: "Nobody's tried it, as far as I know," was his only reaction. When I said I was going to try it, he gave me that look he usually gives me when he thinks I'm going off on a tangent, or getting distracted by hairbrained acts of technical hubris. He knows better than to argue with me, though, so he just sighed and waved his hand.
Turns out it worked great. I got excellent co-expression, and whopping induction of the first gene I mentioned by the virally-infected gene, the virus playing a dual role of lipid transfection enhancer and gene transfer vector for co-expression of the second gene. It seemed perfectly straightforward to me. I didn't even think it was much of a stretch, logistically or intellectually. But I asked three other people about it before I tried it, and none of them even thought it was worth bothering with. It just isn't done, is pretty much what it boiled down to, as far as they were concerned. It irritated me. I'm sure other people do what I proposed (I just haven't found the references), and it's not an act of genius to have invented this on my own. It just meant I was thinking outside of the box a little, I guess.
So when I (perhaps a little too) triumphantly slapped the result down in front of my boss, he laughed that patient laugh and said "well, Adam, I don't know how people are going to take this method when you present it, but I'll say this, it's creative at the very least."
So go figure.
> Adam, I enjoyed your poetry. You write well.
>
> I used to write poems and journal entries, but do feel less creative now. I don't know if it is from the ADs or not. But I don't miss it that much, considering I really like not being depressed!
Posted by allisonm on February 14, 2001, at 18:46:57
In reply to Re: Creation stifled with AD, posted by Noa on February 14, 2001, at 12:10:05
I'm kind of worried. When my dose of Wellbutrin got upped last spring, meat beecame nauseating, so I stopped eating it.
My doc has added Celexa and the last few weeks (I think I've been on it a month now) I have not been able to paint or draw, which I used to do all the time. I haven't had the energy or gumption to do much of anything. I think I'm feeling happier, though. But I don't know if I can not be creative like this.
Posted by Rach on February 14, 2001, at 18:55:20
In reply to Creativity stifled with AD, posted by allisonm on February 14, 2001, at 18:46:57
Etiolation
She’s walking the white line,
Delicate lucid feet stroking.
Auburn hair cropped short,
Warming eyes circled red.
Not beautiful, but luminescent.
Goddess, don’t fade.Her satellite ears are a framing pronouncement
Of juniper lips and frosted cheeks.
A spindly upper frame of bone,
Golden fingers and chipped nails.
Not beautiful, but luminescent.
Goddess, don’t fade.She’s smiling with crinkled eyes,
Her face at crumpled heights.
Back arched, head back,
A swollen belly hanging low.
Not beautiful, but luminescent.
Goddess, don’t fade.Her knees tremor ferociously,
Does she grow tired?
Weedy ankles below bountiful thighs,
Her ashen sight hyperbolises.
Not beautiful, but luminescent.
Goddess, don’t fade.Her skin is firing up,
Time ebbs from within her essence,
Her soul’s passion flares.
Luminescent and empowered.
Goddess, don’t fade.Goddess, don’t fade.
Posted by willow on February 14, 2001, at 19:37:56
In reply to Re: Cost vs. Benefit » Noa, posted by Adam on February 14, 2001, at 17:57:05
"Do the drugs make you happier?"
No the only one that had any positive affect on my mood was nortriplyne (sp) but I also went into rages. Mostly they make me irritable and flat, impramine (sp) made me cry steady, but I do guess the effexor has had the most positive effect because I'm not irritable on it. Does it make me happy? No just a well-rounded who gives a "sh*t" attitude.This may not be the wholely the drugs fault though. My sense of smell is less sensitive, sometimes I lose it and taste completely. I do think our sense of smell has something to do with emotion and memories.
"I guess one thing that would set off buzzers in my mind is if people who felt they were deriving no emotional benefit from an AD still had major complaints about a creative urge."
The effexor has lowered my anxiety level I guess, though I wouldn't have said I was anxious, (but then I have CFS which may be a somatisation order which means I don't feel my emotions which honestly isn't a description of me,) to the point were I have no real urges. I do crave coffee which I may be substituting for thirst? As for a creative urge gone nil.
"(I know, bad, bad pun)."
The only type of humour I understand are puns, I laughed out loud. Thanks!
"Before, I was certainly unhappy, but "yeah, whatever" was not my usual way of dealing with things."
I know what you mean. I was always thinking of things to do, etc. Now like you said, "yeah, whatever."
"Now there's a new drug."
What is it if you don't mind saying?
"But, I was planning an experiment yesterday. ... It seemed perfectly straightforward to me. I didn't even think it was much of a stretch, logistically or intellectually. But I asked three other people about it before I tried it, and none of them even thought it was worth bothering with. It just meant I was thinking outside of the box a little, I guess."
Okay, I didn't understand any of the technical stuff, but I don't feel so bad because your co-workers were sorta on the same line as myself. I'm been pretty scatterbrained since these problems started with me. Academically I had always done well, so these thinking problems cause a loss for me. (I'm starting to ramble.) Being able to think logically outside of the "norm" is what has advanced us as people! Alot of people we consider to be genius may have been classified as "crazy" also.
"So go figure."
It must of felt good!PS I doubt I answered any of your questions?!
Posted by willow on February 14, 2001, at 19:42:44
In reply to Something I wrote before my ADs, posted by Rach on February 14, 2001, at 18:55:20
"Etiolation"
Rach that is beautiful. If I get around to writing my romance I'd like to put some of your guys poems in it.
Do you find the AD's have stunted your creativity? (I'm too lazy to go up and look.) At what cost to ourselves are the AD's? Perhaps they're not the answer?
Posted by Rach on February 14, 2001, at 23:17:12
In reply to Re: Something I wrote before my ADs, posted by willow on February 14, 2001, at 19:42:44
> Do you find the AD's have stunted your creativity? (I'm too lazy to go up and look.) At what cost to ourselves are the AD's? Perhaps they're not the answer?
Certainly have. I have never believed Ads are the answer - just an aid to get me to a place where I can function. If I cannot function normally then I cannot do anything to help myself get better. So my zoloft helps me get up in morning, go to sleep at night, and remember to do all that stuff in between. I am soon going off ad though, because I am doing very well at the functioning part, and I need to really get deep down into the emotional stuff that I cannot find in the haze of zoloft apathy.
Ads are just a means for an end. And if they do stunt my creativity for awhile, then I am happy for that to happen in order to get myself to a better place.
Posted by Noa on February 15, 2001, at 18:47:09
In reply to Re: Cost vs. Benefit » Noa, posted by Adam on February 14, 2001, at 17:57:05
> Noa, and others: Do the drugs make you happier?
>
> I think that's the major parameter to consider. It's tough to imagine how to design a "creativity index" so that you can say in any quantifiable way that one's creative potential is affected by an antidepressant..Adam, I am happier now. It wasn't an instant response, but after finally finding a good combo for me, I began to be able to feel better and feel some joy and this is leading to more frequent feelings of happiness.
As for creativity, I still feel that I have creative juices flowing, but they are more practical, or more intellectual in nature now than before. When I was depressed and writing poetry, my creativity was all about pain, about relating so intensely to painful images that they just came to me more easily. I don't do that so readily now, but that is ok. And if I really wanted to be a poet, perhaps I would have to work harder at it now, but that wouldn't necessarily be so bad, I don't think.
Posted by Noa on February 15, 2001, at 18:51:43
In reply to Re: Cost vs. Benefit, posted by Noa on February 15, 2001, at 18:47:09
Great poem. We definitely should publish a compilation. Maybe I'll get up the guts to post something I wrote way back when.
Posted by Noa on February 15, 2001, at 18:55:11
In reply to Re: Cost vs. Benefit » Noa, posted by Adam on February 14, 2001, at 17:57:05
>I guess one thing that would set off buzzers in my mind is if people who felt they were deriving no emotional benefit from an AD still had major complaints about a creative urge.
I had this thought after posting my previous message: It took a long time to find a good combo of meds, so there were years when the above was true of me. But now it feels like a "no-brainer" for me--I like feeling this way a lot more than feeling creative-but-miserable.
Posted by Dubya on February 25, 2001, at 23:22:31
In reply to Creation stifled with AD, posted by Rach on February 12, 2001, at 1:22:22
Hmm, I do believe that depressed people are in a constant state of worry or regret. These emotions, along with racing ideas, can be stifled by AD medication or when the depression is booted out.
Posted by Adam on March 16, 2001, at 17:02:13
In reply to Something I wrote before my ADs, posted by Rach on February 14, 2001, at 18:55:20
I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while. I tried to a few weeks ago, but the site was temporarily not accepting new posts. Then I went on a long vacation, and have just gotten back to normal life (I'm bummed to say).
Lovely poem, Rach.
I must confess, I'm terrible with symbolism. Who/what is the "goddess"?
> Etiolation
>
>
> She’s walking the white line,
> Delicate lucid feet stroking.
> Auburn hair cropped short,
> Warming eyes circled red.
> Not beautiful, but luminescent.
> Goddess, don’t fade.
>
> Her satellite ears are a framing pronouncement
> Of juniper lips and frosted cheeks.
> A spindly upper frame of bone,
> Golden fingers and chipped nails.
> Not beautiful, but luminescent.
> Goddess, don’t fade.
>
> She’s smiling with crinkled eyes,
> Her face at crumpled heights.
> Back arched, head back,
> A swollen belly hanging low.
> Not beautiful, but luminescent.
> Goddess, don’t fade.
>
> Her knees tremor ferociously,
> Does she grow tired?
> Weedy ankles below bountiful thighs,
> Her ashen sight hyperbolises.
> Not beautiful, but luminescent.
> Goddess, don’t fade.
>
> Her skin is firing up,
> Time ebbs from within her essence,
> Her soul’s passion flares.
> Luminescent and empowered.
> Goddess, don’t fade.
>
> Goddess, don’t fade.
Posted by Willow on August 8, 2001, at 12:52:50
In reply to Poems, writings (warning: contains language..., posted by Adam on February 11, 2001, at 19:24:19
Found this link for writing music contest.
Check it out! For any of you creative ones!!
Good luck
Willow
Posted by Willow on August 8, 2001, at 12:56:43
In reply to You still out there , re: poems, posted by Willow on August 8, 2001, at 12:52:50
> Found this link for writing music contest.
>
> http://www.country.com/store/
>
> Check it out! For any of you creative ones!!
>
> Good luck
> Willow
Posted by kid_A on August 9, 2001, at 14:34:49
In reply to You still out there , re: poems, posted by Willow on August 8, 2001, at 12:52:50
saw earlier posts, all i know is that i could not write anymore before i started my ADs... it was like the very last poem i wrote took everything from me, and i got a block...now that i'm on them, my writing ability has returned and i personally think that it is improving still... i thought i would lose my ability to write, but there is just now a lot less 'anger' in my poetry, or frustration rather... howl... thats an appropriate term for the way i had written, that or protracted and dirty tales of blind teenage love...
i wish that some others would share their work again... lets start posting some poems...
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