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Posted by dennis on February 2, 2001, at 19:34:09
What is time? Is time just a perception of life? There are a few people who say time doesnt exist. What is time if your dead, you know what I mean? There is no time if your dead. Everything in the world has been defined except for time, everything has a relationship with something else, but time stands alone. right?
Posted by mars on February 2, 2001, at 22:40:13
In reply to time, posted by dennis on February 2, 2001, at 19:34:09
dennis -
It's a mystery to me, really. I went with it two ways when I was in college - math/physics for awhile and then philosophy/literature. I took a Space/Time/Relativity class that was really tough, but great, because we had to do the math/physics *and* do narrative description. We girls are not known for excellence with equations and I was in a class full of arrogant physics majors, so when I set the curve on the first exam the prof (who was great) made a point of noting it. I was embarassed but appreciated the dropped jaw effect. The equations were fun, but it was the literature & phil that really stayed with me as a way of meditating on that mystery, but language is strange and mysterious to me so that's why I like that stuff. (I didn't talk until I was three, but when I finally spoke I did so in complete sentences. I have a freaky learning curve :) sloooooow learner.
I know it's geeky to approach it in a collegiate way, but that's what I have to offer. If you're interested, I'll try to dig up some stuff for you to read. I like playing librarian.
"We will find time at the heart of everything."
Emmanuel Levinas
best,
mars
p.s. I'm particularly fond of the time-bodies-language web. Have you thought about that?
p.p.s. Thanks for the post. It got my mind going a bit.
> What is time? Is time just a perception of life? There are a few people who say time doesnt exist. What is time if your dead, you know what I mean? There is no time if your dead. Everything in the world has been defined except for time, everything has a relationship with something else, but time stands alone. right?
Posted by Todd on February 2, 2001, at 23:33:11
In reply to time, posted by dennis on February 2, 2001, at 19:34:09
Hi, Dennis. I ruminate on time all the time. hahaha, pun unintentionally intended. It is quite a strange phenomena, time. There are those who say it is an illusion, and I accept that without being able to understand it much. Because if you think about it, there is really no such thing as the past or the future. Of course, there is the concept of past and future, but we don't live in it. We live in the infinitely unfolding NOW. No matter where you go and how much you try to go elsewhere, it is always NOW. Always. 10 minutes or 10 years from now, it will still be NOW. The present. Right here, right NOW. Kind of gives procrastinators a bad name, doesn't it?
You spoke of there being no time if you were dead. How about if you were completely ALIVE, a fully realized state of pure BEING. As opposed to NOT being. My guess is that time would cease to exist on that point as well. Of course, we humans have little hope of attaining that kind of state while still human, but heck, it's fun to think about.
You might want to check out Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time." In case you haven't heard of him, he is a brilliant modern physicist on the verge of uniting quantum physics with the theory of relativity. He is likened to a modern day Einstein. His writing is aimed at normal folks like us, very easy to understand and grasp.
Peace and love.Todd
Posted by dj on February 3, 2001, at 13:08:29
In reply to time, posted by dennis on February 2, 2001, at 19:34:09
> Everything in the world has been defined except for time, everything has a relationship with something else, but time stands alone.
> right?Wrong!
Lots has been written and lots of exploration, exposition and comparisms have been done. Check out time in your library database and if you can find a copy read: "Winston Churchill's Afternoon Nap: A Wide-Awake Inquiry into the Human Nature of Time" by Jeremy Campbell as well as his "Grammatical Man".
If the former he explores, amongst other things, the biochemical clocks which we possess and which can get out of synch via depression. In Chapter 11 'Time and the Biological Brain' he writes in the first paragraph: "...a disorder of mood and mental state, such as depression, and the impairment of a physiological process, such as sleep, may have a common basis in the disruption of circadian timing systems and may be treated with a drug that sends the nervous system a message about time."
Something to ponder...
dj
Posted by dennis on February 3, 2001, at 22:01:44
In reply to time, posted by dennis on February 2, 2001, at 19:34:09
UFOs, Aliens, little gray men with big black eyes in flying saucers, they are real, they visit this planet, they are human, they breed with us, making human-alien babys, they have big plans for us, to make us human, to help us evolve and help themselves, because they are us. They are our future, and we are their past. Their will be a new kind of natural selection. We will be born again and we will learn much more the next time.
Posted by phil15 on February 3, 2001, at 22:15:38
In reply to Re: aliens, posted by dennis on February 3, 2001, at 22:01:44
or...aliens are entities of energy that exist in the same space/time but exist on a different plane.
*To fully comprehend this, I suggest researching astral planes, meditation, concepts of occult magick, and the scientific and logical explanations behind them. Researching on your own only adds more proof and definitely gives a better understanding.
First of all, for a while mike and I have been in "occult" mode. The study of magick, spirits, religion, etc. The astral plane is a concept of magick, meditation, and many religions. There are supposedly 7 or 8 (I forgot) levels to the astral plane. You can only go to the higher levels w/out it being drug (such as salvia) induced because drugs mess with your vibrations. Which for some reason are very important in the astral realm. It is a universal law that what ever is created in the astral realm, is created in reality
Mike and I think that the astral plane exists in our time/space but in different dimensions, which we cannot see. That is because it is the energy world, and we are in the physical world. Support of this is, if it is a law of magick that whatever is created in the astral plane comes into the physical plane, then wouldn't it make sense that the astral plane is coexisting with the physical plane and that the explanation can be that, once energy is allocated in the astral plane, it slowly but eventually gets converted into physical matter. It doesn't just pop into existence, but it will find its way of entering one way or another.
Anyway, both planes influence each other greatly. We think that "god" and other great entities of energy are located in this astral plane. Some entities exist merely because we will them to, or because humans have "faith". Which explains why that is so necessary almost all religions, it gives the astral entities power. Thought energy is built up upon them in faith. It also makes sense that the energy realm came before us and consisted of one sphere of energy, one entity, God. He then used his energy to convert some of it into matter, and still the rest to lie in the energy world or astral plane in hopes that our world would be a "power source". Faith, belief and thought all produce detectable waves. They are probably being absorbed into the energy world or whatever they are being directed or believed in. An example of this is prayer, you pray to god, giving him acknowledgement which is thought in its own, and specific though, giving him some energy. In turn he is happy and may use some of it to allocate it to something that you would be pleased with. However if you need to learn a lesson in life, or he knows that it will make you unappreciative, he will not waste the energy on it because it will end up having detrimental effects to both him and you (don't get lesson, don't learn, become neg- or neutral [drone]). So that is why he cannot grant many of our wishes. Especially in the materialistic society today. i.e. giving you money definitely wont make you more spiritual. Also, if he is not being given as much energy as he used to, or needs. You can't expect him to be using it to materialize stuff for us on the physical plane.Thus you get also + and - energy. Good entities sided with god, the creator depend on + energy, - entities need - energy. Evil people who have much anger and hatred will produce much for - entities. What is happening now, is people are becoming way to materialistic, evil, and dronish. Creating little energy for god, the creator and most powerful (this is also said in magick. + magic with using angels is much more powerful than using demonic entities) People say they are catholic because they spend an hour in church, but then they get road rage in the parking lot, scream at their spouse, and do other - traits that Catholics are particular known to do, it cancels out creating nothing, energy wise for god. There are very few people who direct enough + energy anymore. Drones create very little of each energy because they are too materialistic, and don't think enough, thus not creating much energy and can do - things and not even realize it. Yet the real people can end up frustrated and angry - because of treatment and lack of understanding by the drones.
What is now happening, is exactly what Jesus said would happen in the bible, downfall. And why, because we are producing too much - energy and to little + energy. God will find us to be a - source and will create Armageddon by moving - energy, earth (mother nature energy), into our space/time vicinity. Creating massive plate tectonics, more evil people leading to wars etc. But what will be and has already been evident is the increase in natural disasters. It is a scientifically proven fact that from 0BC to now, natural disasters have increased something like 12 times as bad as they used to be. And it isn't just because there are more and greater targets either; there has actually been an increase of the destructiveness with no logical explanation. I have a feeling that the real exodus was maybe from mars, to escape the planetary disaster, and god gave some + people a new start. In hopes of creating + energy sources and happier people. Which would explain advanced Egyptian stuff and the hieroglyphic paintings of what looks like helicopters and space ships. Also such oddities as the 7 crystal skulls and other bizarre advanced things in early time periods.
What mike and I realized is that every region has had its prophet. Jerusalem = Jesus, Asia= Buddha, Middle East = Muhammad, etc. Because it has to be equally distributed around the world in order for all people to understand in different cultures.
As you probably understand from before, as more and more time passes we become closer and closer to the ending, not an outright ending, but when we aren't productive for + entities anymore. "Gods army of angels will return and slay all evil" (excerpt from bible). I think there is a fight between + and - in the other realm or plane. + being better to us because they were our creators and have attachment to us for that reason. - using us just for our energy then screwing us over (i.e. in magick, never evoke evil entities unless you are very experienced and have a magick circle) . But the + forces have tried hard with us, and given us many chances, and yet we screw them over time and again. Thus god, the ultimate + entity is going to abandon his + forces in our area and let us suffer from - forces and planetary energy.
However, I mentioned before that there have been prophets all over the world. Yet North America has never had any. When they come they will be our last chance. However, I think that WE can help cleanse this world of - by showing people the truth in this respect. In turn if we achieve success we will be prophets in a way. What we need to do is establish a new religion, based on tolerance and derived from science, history, and other "rational" religions. As I have recently been arguing with the priest of the church I belong to. An example: What makes an Arab who is faithful to Allah and kind to his brothers any less a catholic than a titled "catholic"? He is ACTING the way that Jesus wanted us and that of our religion teaches, and in tern he does not even know it but he is catholic. Is a Jew any less a Buddhist than a titled "Buddhist" if he gives homage to Yahweh (god) and is kind to his brothers? No, it all ends up equal, we all are praising the same 1 god that created us. Every person cannot be able to be one particular religion, and it is for that reason that many prophets came to many regions. A perfect example is in the 13th century Aztecs. They had no idea who Christ, Buddha, or Muhammad were, they were isolated and could not possible be able to be held responsible for BEING a particular religion. Yet they could be held responsible on how they ACTED "similar" to a religion. An Aztec that is giving and is kind to his brother is doing exactly what god and Christ want of us. Therefore he is ACTING Christian, or whatever, which makes him one in a way. Today you have complete opposites to the giving Aztec that I just mentioned. You have Catholics (this applies to all religions, I just happen to know the most about Catholicism because I am and act catholic. also Catholics have been the leading cause of creating Atheists and Anti-Christ's), and who have the title "catholic" but cannot ACT appropriately corresponding what we are taught to do. This makes them lower on the scale than the idolizing Aztec, because they have had the god given liberty of being shown in clear example "the light" or "the right path" and yet they deny god in the very way they act out their lives.
Therefore the new religion must be primarily judged on how you act in the real world according to your faith. If you are a great person and show others it, and make clear your religion. Others will respect it and feed in to it + energy, and not produce - energy hating it because of the so many contradictions like current religions. Titles will have no meaning if they cannot be lived up to and proven worthy. Furthermore, in order to enhance our faith, we will seek out scientific explanations of the supernatural and religion. Similar to the Jesuits, we also must seek out to educate people, regardless of race or religion. We must treat all humanity equal, not just our community. Another policy that will be followed is the need to think, if you do not think, how can you rationalize your kindness and prevent yourself from letting feelings and human urges get in the way. If you think about hurting someone, the punishments you will have to face later, how they are going to feel being hurt, it makes the whole hurting process much harder to do.
In terms of faith and paying homage to god and prophet(s), you need to respect the fact that God is our creator and in turn of creating us, deserves to be respected and thought about often (to give + energy). Also realize that all religions are the workings of the almighty and all powerful god in trying to get his ways realized, therefore all should be respected and given appropriate consideration. Also, as said in most religions, we should "fear" god. This is very true, he has the power to destroy us if we do not respect him, however your basis in believing and practicing should not be out of mere fear. If your relationship with god is totally based upon fear, that creates fear-, and selfishness- (in terms of thinking, "well I'm going to believe in god just so that he doesn't kill me"). You need to reach enlightenment in the fact that it is very obvious that we don't even need fear as a motive if you realize that it is for the benefit of society and the energy world as well, and if you hold respect towards others then you will not need to "fear".
Anyway, what I wrote, I obviously need to clear up a lot and research some more into it. I think that this new religion, having historical and scientific bases' it should be an evolving religion very open to new ideas.
any comments, criticizem, or arguments, you can contact me at proton12@hotmail.com
Posted by dennis on February 3, 2001, at 23:32:39
In reply to Re: aliens, posted by phil15 on February 3, 2001, at 22:15:38
Well I dont believe in the whole +&- energy thing, and I dont believe in god or the devil or whatever, I am open to the idea of different dimensions or planes, but not as you describe them, I believe in freedom, compassion, tolerance, and I think its time people started thinking more, about life and how to make our world a better place to live, I think there is a serious lack of individual thought among people in the world, I respect your thoughts and opinions, I agree with some of what you say except for "god" and "our creator". Like I said, I dont believe in god or that we were created by a intelegent being of energy, I think its basicly a waste of time thinking about god or believeing in god or worshiping god, we need to concentrate on science, the fact is we do not understand our world, we have much yet to learn, it will take millions of years to learn what we do not know and for our brains to evolve enough to be able to understand it all. God is just a explaination, for lack of a better one, thats the way I see it. Yes there may be more -energy and more materialistic people and this is unfortunate, but heavens army of angels is not going to come down and kill all evil. Maybe I do not understand what you are trying to say?
Posted by dennis on February 4, 2001, at 1:52:45
In reply to Re: I dont believe in god, posted by dennis on February 3, 2001, at 23:32:39
I guess it doesnt matter, this is a forum for support and education, I am not sure if I am allowed to debate here or not. So just forget my last post, pretend its not there, or bob you can delete both of these messages, please go ahead and delete them I dont care. You can delete this whole thread, look at this crap I am writing, I must be insane, you all must think Im a total nut case, I dont know why I even come here, I obviously dont have anything to say that anybody else wants to hear.
Posted by phil15 on February 4, 2001, at 13:17:31
In reply to Re: I dont believe in god, posted by dennis on February 3, 2001, at 23:32:39
I am not even sure if these forces exist myself. I think too much and end up not finding enough evidence at times. Thats why i created evidence for myself, which i admit is probably like %90 false. I mean, what are the chances of one person's idea being the explaination for everything, its one in infinity that my ideas are valid. But anyway, i got carried away in my own little explaination and believed in it. I used to be an athiest like yourself too, because i saw that poeple at church are entirly unaffected as they are supposed to be and that "gods power" really hasn't touched or affected anyone, and why wouldn't he just provide evidence so we believe. It's just that I have never seen any true evidence, I think to much to just rely on "faith".
As i said, now i kinda think that god is some large source of energy entity though because to me it just makes sense for some reason.
I'm totally with you about people not thinking enough and that there needs to be change and tolerance. I just don't really know how it can be done. If you've got any ideas, please tell me though.
Posted by phil15 on February 4, 2001, at 13:21:42
In reply to Re: peace , posted by dennis on February 4, 2001, at 1:52:45
Dude, you think that you look like a total nut case, have you seen all my "bizare" ideas i've posted. So you definatly shouldn't worry about being a nut case, cause your not. Like me you just think to much, you know...
Posted by Todd on February 4, 2001, at 13:28:02
In reply to not a nutcase..., posted by phil15 on February 4, 2001, at 13:21:42
Yeah, Dennis, I agree with Phil. Be proud of your zaniness, and keep questioning EVERYTHING. I think you're a brave soul, and a pretty cool one at that. Rock on.
Todd
Posted by SLS on February 4, 2001, at 18:28:50
In reply to Re: not a nutcase..., posted by Todd on February 4, 2001, at 13:28:02
> Yeah, Dennis, I agree with Phil. Be proud of your zaniness, and keep questioning EVERYTHING. I think you're a brave soul, and a pretty cool one at that. Rock on.
>
> Todd
If I may be zany for a "moment"...Perhaps there is no such thing as "time", but rather, a sequential (for us) quantum progression from one "universe" to the next wherein each universe is a static "now". Each progressive universe represents a quantum actualization and the quantum difference between any two universes can only be described relative to a single frame of reference.
Or maybe not.
:-)
What fun!
- Scott
Posted by Noa on February 5, 2001, at 6:48:07
In reply to time, posted by dennis on February 2, 2001, at 19:34:09
OMG, Dennis! I have a journal entry exactly like this in my journal, written when I was, yup, you guessed it---19 y.o.!!
From this post and one you wrote a little while back, it sounds to me like you are struggling with some similar questions to those I struggled with at your age. I remember how hard that struggle felt.
At my age now (40), I no longer ponder these questions at length. Time is mysterious and confusing and elusive, but I guess I am so used to not understanding it, I don't bother trying anymore!!
As for the "meaning of life" questions, I ponder those mostly when depressed, and it is a set up because while it is the main time I am drawn to these questions, it is also the wrong time for me to ponder them, because the conclusions I tend to draw about myself and my life are very dark, of course, due to the depression.
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