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Posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 11:04:11
If anybody here is exhausted by years of woeing to a therapist, with the only results being a disjointed therapeutic relationship and moving their neuroses around the plate, here are some links to an alternative, legitimate therapeutic strategy.
http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-242.html
http://theanocoaching.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/positive-emotion-image-map/
http://www.authentichappiness.sas.upenn.edu/Default.aspx
http://talentdevelop.com/pospsych-r.html
Dr. Martin Seligman (Authentic Happiness) has established a Postive Psychology Center at the University of Pennsylvania. He has written several books on positive psychology, the most notable being Learned Optimism.
BTW, this only works if you really desire to be happy.
Posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 11:59:30
In reply to Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe?, posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 11:04:11
I'm sorry but I find this post to be offensive and self-promoting. I have posted to the admin accordingly.
Posted by caraher on July 10, 2008, at 12:20:30
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe?, posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 11:59:30
> I'm sorry but I find this post to be offensive and self-promoting. I have posted to the admin accordingly.
How so? It didn't strike me as terribly different from a ton of other posts about people's opinions of different kinds of therapy, and unless Hermitian is, say, Martin Seligman, I don't see the element of self-promotion at all...
Posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 12:41:42
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe?, posted by caraher on July 10, 2008, at 12:20:30
"If anybody here is exhausted by years of woeing to a therapist"
Oh, is that what we're doing on babble wasting our time "woeing" to a T?"moving their neuroses around the plate"
gee- I didn't realize we had neuroses, much less moving them around a plate""only works if you really desire to be happy."
Ah well then, it won't work for me because I prefer to be unhappy and probably other babblers don't either.
Posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2008, at 12:53:03
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe?, posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 12:41:42
To me just sounds like a different way of looking at things with the same outcome not really a different method like positive thinking CBT? Or did I interpret it wrong. Entirely possible. Phillipa
Posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:03:48
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe? » Lucie Lu, posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2008, at 12:53:03
Philippa, I have absolutely NO problem with an alternative viewpoint, in fact if they are respectful, I find them growth-promoting. I have an intense dislike, however, of any school of thought that feels a need to imply that others are inferior, which I believe this one does. That is what I am reacting to.
Posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:07:05
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe? » Lucie Lu, posted by Phillipa on July 10, 2008, at 12:53:03
Philippa and Caraher, does this describe you?
"BTW, this only works if you really desire to be happy."
Are you both committed to living unhappy lives? I'm sorry, but I find this belittling and unworthy of being on this board.
Posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 13:17:38
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe?, posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 12:41:42
Well Ms. Lucie Lu, because you are inferring what I am not implying does not make me guilty of the inference - Got that?
Now I could infer from your posting that you are a rigid thinker who will not countenance ideas and therapies that are outside the range of your acceptable notions - So shall I too run to the administrator?
Listen, I just tossed out a methodology that offers some optimism to those who have tried for years to resolve problems without success using other strategies. I am odious for doing that?
Harumpf me all you want, but dont take the links down. There are those who may actually draw inferences that differ from yours and follow that pathway to a solution.
Kindest Regards,
Hermitian
Posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:24:43
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - Ha'rumpff! Sez Ms. Lu, posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 13:17:38
If you actually read my words in response to Philippa's post, Hermitian, you would find that my problem is not at all in hearing an alternative viewpoint - quite the opposite. I do, however, strongly object to the way in which your original post was phrased. Is your case so weak that you cannot be respectful to those who may not agree wth you?
Posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 13:36:39
In reply to Please read the words VERY carefully... » Hermitian, posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:24:43
Hey lady, I'm not arguing with anybody. So I don't have to make a case.
In fact I wish you serenity, or at least a reduced level of opprobrium. Suggest you visit one of the links, read what they have to say, and chill. It worked for me.
H
Posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:38:16
In reply to Re: Please read the words VERY carefully..., posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 13:36:39
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on July 10, 2008, at 13:46:19
In reply to Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe?, posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 11:04:11
> years of woeing to a therapist
> the only results being a disjointed therapeutic relationship
> BTW, this only works if you really desire to be happy.Please don't be sarcastic or post anything that could lead others to feel put down, and please be sensitive to the feelings of others, such as those whose views about therapy differ from yours.
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-- 10derHeart, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on July 10, 2008, at 13:46:57
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe?, posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:07:05
>belittling and unworthy of being on this board.
>I find this post to be offensive and self-promotingHello Lucie,
I realize you are quite new to Babble (and welcome - BTW) but I have to ask you to please not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. In accordance with the civility guidelines for the boards, Dr. Bob asks us not to negatively characterize the posts of others. These rules can be tricky to negotiate at first, so it may help to review that area of the FAQ, *especially* when your feelings may be stirred up. Also, deputies are available to preview your post (by Babblemail or email) if you are unsure if what you wrote will stay within the guidelines. I have asked my fellow deputies to do that for me in the past, and it can really help!
>I have posted to the admin accordingly.
Also, if you have a problem with a post, please use the reporting system *only* instead of posting your comments about it on the boards. [This would include not informing a poster you have done so, as some people feel angry, embarrassed, accused, etc., when this fact is stated publicly] The major reason this system was developed (it's relatively new) is to prevent posters from feeling accused or put down by others *publicly* describing what they feel may be uncivil in others' posts.
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Posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:48:57
In reply to Please follow site guidelines » Lucie Lu, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on July 10, 2008, at 13:46:57
Thanks for the clarification.
Posted by 10derHeart on July 10, 2008, at 13:51:27
In reply to Re: Please follow site guidelines » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:48:57
Posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 13:53:54
In reply to Re: Please follow site guidelines » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:48:57
Hey, I can feel the love...! (And I didn't get banged from "The Board"!)
Peace.
Out.
H
Posted by raisinb on July 10, 2008, at 14:17:18
In reply to Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe?, posted by Hermitian on July 10, 2008, at 11:04:11
I've read Seligman's book, and I really enjoyed it. I think there are valuable tools in it.
But I also think that positive psychology is similar to CBT--in that it's *extremely* difficult to practice such cognitive reframing tools if one has underlying issues related to trauma, abuse, self-esteem, relationships, etc. that have not been worked through.
It's been maybe five years since I started reading about positive psychology. Back then, I didn't have the emotional resources to practice anything like that. Now, I'm (occasionally, fleetingly :)) able to do the things positive psychology advocates--focus on the positive, value my own uniqueness, list what I am grateful for etc. But that's only after three years of intensive psychodynamic therapy, addressing all the issues that made it impossible for me to do all those things in the first place.
At least for me, Seligman's approach would have been like a bandaid for multiple shotgun wounds, and I think a lot of people are in the same boat.
I think it's a cool framework, and I think it works for many people either alone, or after they've done other work. But I don't know that it's a substitute for other types of therapy.
Each to his own, of course.
Posted by 10derHeart on July 10, 2008, at 14:24:52
In reply to Re: Postive Psychology - A Respite From Woe? » Hermitian, posted by raisinb on July 10, 2008, at 14:17:18
Posted by llurpsienoodle on July 10, 2008, at 16:44:02
In reply to great post, great points :-) (nm) » raisinb, posted by 10derHeart on July 10, 2008, at 14:24:52
I think that there is a lot of value in approaching things with certain assumptions, for instance
"I'm going to be happy by doing this"
"I am a good person"
"I love my life"
and further affirmations.
It takes a certain amount of ego strength to be able to tolerate such statements though. I am finding them to be more acceptable and am more self-accepting, over time. The groundwork was laid by my therapists, who seemed to believe in me and think highly of me no matter what crisis or state of existential anxiety I passed through.
-Ll
Posted by Daisym on July 10, 2008, at 19:25:33
In reply to Please read the words VERY carefully... » Hermitian, posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 13:24:43
Posted by 10derHeart on July 10, 2008, at 19:27:41
In reply to Is your Babble mail off on purpose? (nm) » Lucie Lu, posted by Daisym on July 10, 2008, at 19:25:33
I was wondering that, too.
Posted by caraher on July 10, 2008, at 22:33:51
In reply to Re: Is your Babble mail off on purpose?, posted by 10derHeart on July 10, 2008, at 19:27:41
Lucie's fairly new here, right? She might not know how to change her Babblemail settings... that's usually not obvious.
I posted my response because I didn't see an option to bmail her.
Posted by Lucie Lu on July 10, 2008, at 22:46:22
In reply to Re: Is your Babble mail off on purpose?, posted by caraher on July 10, 2008, at 22:33:51
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