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Posted by Deneb on November 23, 2005, at 15:39:02
In reply to Re: handouts - my opinion, posted by thuso on November 23, 2005, at 0:49:06
>I've helped put on conferences like this (almost as large), and I would have wanted to kill a presenter if they tried something like this because of the amount of work and inconvenience it would cause. I think either creating a universal handout that deals in generalities or a multi-page packet with some of our personal experiences (but kept simple) would be best.
Thank goodness you have some experience with this thuso! I have absolutely no experience with this sort of thing! Right now after reading your post, I'm leaning towards a general info type of handout that's short and sweet.
Anyone want to be the leader of this handout committee?
Deneb
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51
In reply to I'm frustrated, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 10:43:52
> I would understand what is expected a lot better if Dr. Bob would give an explanation complete with examples rather than one liners.
Sorry. What's expected of posters? My idea was just that Kali and I would provide some background, we'd divide into small groups, posters would discuss their experiences here, and we'd come back together again at the end.
Maybe what's not clear is what exactly "discuss" means? I thought Tamar had good ideas:
> Things we’ve learned here
> Discussions or threads that were significant to us
> What kinds of things we come to Babble for
> Things we find useful about Babble
> Things we find frustrating about BabbleBut don't go overboard in terms of preparation. It'll also be important, as ClearSkies said:
> to sit there and let people ask me questions.
There's probably a lot that you take for granted that they'll be clueless about!
Bob
Posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 22:41:39
In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51
Answering questions I can do, I suppose. Preparing something to say, without very clear guidelines, that I'm not so sure of.
Posted by daisym on November 23, 2005, at 22:52:49
In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51
I'd really like to participate but things are so up in the air with my job I probably can't commit until April, if that isn't too late. If it is, then maybe next time.
I've been thinking about this, and I think perhaps we don't want to lose the focus of the session by trying to "teach" therapist about things like transference. I think what they will be interested in is the experience of on-line support itself - as Tamar said, why we come here and what we get from it. I think the exact issues are more or less background, it is more about why we come here to talk about them. Maybe we are all saying the same thing.
I'm thinking about the letter I wrote a long time ago trying to explain Babble to Fallsfall's therapist -- it was about support between sessions. And I think there should be some acknowledgement that there has been disagreement as to whether discussing things here interferes with an individual's therapy. If I was attending, I think this is what I would want to convey.
Posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 22:59:27
In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51
I guess one question I'd be interested in is who is the target audience? Are these pyschopharmacologists or people who do therapy? Or people who do mainly prescribing, but are interested in other aspects of psychiatric self help. Are you presenting Babble as mainly the medication board? Or more as the support community? Is the emphasis on Babble as a community where supportive relationships can be built? Or on Babble as a source of information?
Posted by Tamar on November 24, 2005, at 3:47:11
In reply to Re: what is expected » Dr. Bob, posted by daisym on November 23, 2005, at 22:52:49
> I've been thinking about this, and I think perhaps we don't want to lose the focus of the session by trying to "teach" therapist about things like transference.
Ha ha! Yeah, let’s hope they know something about transference already! And yet we see posts here from people who really seem to be struggling with it, or whose therapists aren’t as sensitive as they should be… so maybe there’s still some need for learning about client perspectives…
I should probably mention that I was talking about the *handout* rather than the session. I think we can probably have a broader scope for the handout, if we want to.
I borrowed the word ‘teach’ from an earlier post by Dr Bob, because I thought it was an interesting word to use in the context. I like the way it implies that we can set the agenda, to some extent.
I think the whole thing is a great opportunity to present our perspectives on things.
> I think what they will be interested in is the experience of on-line support itself - as Tamar said, why we come here and what we get from it. I think the exact issues are more or less background, it is more about why we come here to talk about them. Maybe we are all saying the same thing.
I think we are all saying broadly similar things, in different ways. Yeah, I don’t want to go into a lot of detail about my personal history, but the broad issues are things I think could be discussed in the session, if people want to. And the handout could perhaps provide a bit more depth.
> I'm thinking about the letter I wrote a long time ago trying to explain Babble to Fallsfall's therapist -- it was about support between sessions. And I think there should be some acknowledgement that there has been disagreement as to whether discussing things here interferes with an individual's therapy. If I was attending, I think this is what I would want to convey.
I think the issue of support between sessions is a really important one, and something that could generate some interesting discussions!
Tamar
Posted by Tamar on November 24, 2005, at 3:59:25
In reply to Thanks Dr. Bob, and Thanks especially Tamar, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 22:41:39
> Answering questions I can do, I suppose. Preparing something to say, without very clear guidelines, that I'm not so sure of.
I reckon you shouldn't need to prepare anything to say if you don't want to. I'm sure the people attending the conference will have plenty of questions!
If we do produce a handout it could be a starting point...
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 25, 2005, at 0:50:05
In reply to Re: what is expected » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on November 23, 2005, at 22:59:27
> > > so far for the small groups we have:
> > >
> > > AuntieMel
> > > Annierose
> > > ClearSkies
> > > fallsfall
> > > Poet maybe
> > > Dinah maybe
> > > daisym maybe> I'd really like to participate but things are so up in the air with my job I probably can't commit until April, if that isn't too late.
>
> daisymThat's fine with me. I just don't want it to be just me! :-)
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> I guess one question I'd be interested in is who is the target audience? Are these pyschopharmacologists or people who do therapy? Or people who do mainly prescribing, but are interested in other aspects of psychiatric self help.
It's hard to know who's going to show up. Sorry about all the unknowns!
> Are you presenting Babble as mainly the medication board? Or more as the support community? Is the emphasis on Babble as a community where supportive relationships can be built? Or on Babble as a source of information?
I think it's both, so I'll try to present it that way. But FYI, I usually Google Effexor to demonstrate how people find Babble. Maybe I should post something at the main board so posters there can get involved, too?
Bob
Posted by Poet on November 25, 2005, at 8:32:01
In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 23, 2005, at 20:46:51
Things we’ve learned here
> Discussions or threads that were significant to us
> What kinds of things we come to Babble for
> Things we find useful about Babble
> Things we find frustrating about BabbleBut don't go overboard in terms of preparation. It'll also be important, as ClearSkies said:
> to sit there and let people ask me questions.
Got it. I won't do my own handouts, just notes for myself in case I get so nervous that I can't remember my own name.
Officially approved handouts I assume Dr. Bob and Kali would be supplying: statistics on the various boards, etc.
Poet
Posted by 10derHeart on November 25, 2005, at 15:07:08
In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 25, 2005, at 0:50:05
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2005, at 22:55:18
In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Poet on November 25, 2005, at 8:32:01
I gotta keep the costs down, 'cause the butter tarts I'm bringing are gonna kill my budget......
Just thought I'd ask.
Lar
Posted by 10derHeart on November 29, 2005, at 0:03:40
In reply to anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2005, at 22:55:18
>>anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?<<
Are you flirting with me, Larry Hoover?<<grin>>
Posted by alexandra_k on November 29, 2005, at 3:43:02
In reply to anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2005, at 22:55:18
you mean not only am i going to miss the chance to meet everybody...
but i'm also going to be missing out on a night with larry hoover??????
:-(
;-)
Posted by Deneb on November 29, 2005, at 9:23:47
In reply to anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2005, at 22:55:18
> I gotta keep the costs down, 'cause the butter tarts I'm bringing are gonna kill my budget......
>
> Just thought I'd ask.
>
> LarHey Lar
I'm going to stay at a hostel right in the centre of downtown to keep costs down. It would be nice to have a friend there. ;-)
It's OK if hostels are not your thing. I don't know if they are my thing either.
Deneb
Posted by Voce on November 29, 2005, at 9:45:12
In reply to anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2005, at 22:55:18
Whoever stays with Lar will get first crack at those butter tarts!!!
Wish I could be there. Now, if you guys ever want to come to the California coast, that would be an awesome time!!
Posted by Dinah on November 29, 2005, at 9:45:15
In reply to anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2005, at 22:55:18
Keeping costs down would be great. Toronto looks a bit expensive?
But I'm reasonably sure my husband would have some objections. :) You should have seen his list of instructions *last* time!
Posted by Dinah on November 29, 2005, at 9:46:18
In reply to One thing's certain, posted by Voce on November 29, 2005, at 9:45:12
I think it would be great if Dr. Bob could manage a California conference next year. :) I know lots of California Babblers I'd love to meet.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 16:33:45
In reply to Re: anybody wanna share a hotel room with me? » Larry Hoover, posted by 10derHeart on November 29, 2005, at 0:03:40
I was surprised, both by the responses yet received, and by my naive short-sightedness. Perhaps I should have posted a questionnaire. Replies by babblemail would ensure confidentiality.
1. Would you prefer:
a) co-ed
b) conjugal
c) other (please define)2. How many nights would you be staying (Friday/Saturday/Sunday):
a) one night. I prefer (select preferred evening)
b) two nights (select evenings desired)
c) three nights
d) forever
e) who said anything about nights? You never heard of a quickie?3. Gender:
a) male
b) female
c) surprise!4. Proportion of costs:
a) dutch
b) we'll work something out
c) you don't expect ME to pay, do you?5. Do you prefer your butter tarts:
a) with raisins
b) plain
c) what the heck is a butter tart?Please reply by December 15, so that suitable arrangements can be made.
Regards,
Lar
Posted by alexandra_k on November 29, 2005, at 16:54:06
In reply to Re: anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 16:33:45
Posted by Poet on November 29, 2005, at 18:58:45
In reply to Re: anybody wanna share a hotel room with me?, posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 16:33:45
I scored four Cs and a B. I'm female, so that lets you know which is the B. I would share a room with you, but I'm a married female- darn it.
Poet
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 29, 2005, at 21:29:28
In reply to One thing's certain, posted by Voce on November 29, 2005, at 9:45:12
> Now, if you guys ever want to come to the California coast, that would be an awesome time!!
Let's see how it goes in Toronto first, but one option might be to continue to coordinate with the APA:
2007
May 19-24
San Diego, CA2008
May 3-8
Washington, DC2009
May 16-21
San Francisco, CAhttp://psych.org/edu/ann_mtgs/futuremtgs/index.cfm
OTOH, that may make lodging more difficult...
Bob
Posted by thuso on November 30, 2005, at 0:26:09
In reply to Re: California coast, posted by Dr. Bob on November 29, 2005, at 21:29:28
> Let's see how it goes in Toronto first, but one option might be to continue to coordinate with the APA:
>
> 2007
> May 19-24
> San Diego, CA
>
> 2008
> May 3-8
> Washington, DC
>
> 2009
> May 16-21
> San Francisco, CA
>
> http://psych.org/edu/ann_mtgs/futuremtgs/index.cfm
>
> OTOH, that may make lodging more difficult...
>
> BobI was thinking the same thing! Come on over to my neck of the woods in 2008! :-)
What might be good is if you decide to do that, see if anyone lives in that area and can help coordinate best places to stay, restaurants, how to get from point A to point B locally, etc. These are all very major cities, so I wouldn't doubt if at least one person on here lived in these areas. I know I don't plan on leaving DC anytime soon. And at least here in DC, it really helps to have a local who knows how to stay away from expensive tourist traps. Otherwise, you're likely to spend $20 for a shirt when you can go two blocks and get 5 shirts for $10 (seriously!!!). hahaha! :-P
And what's nice is that next year is the west coast, then it goes to the east coast, and then heads back to the west coast. That would give people from all over a chance to join in the gathering. Not everyone can fly across the country.
But of course...PB still has to exist for the foreseeable future for this to work. I'm all for it!
Posted by Dinah on November 30, 2005, at 9:58:25
In reply to Re: California coast, posted by Dr. Bob on November 29, 2005, at 21:29:28
But don't they ever go anyplace with a low cost of living? :)
I'm interested in how different it will feel this year. Everyone of course wants to meet with each other, but at a meeting where you're understandably quite busy with other things, your participation may be not only more limited in time but less focused in attention. And I'm worried about how that might work out because I think, like it or not, an opportunity to meet you and see if you talk in full paragraphs in person (he does) is part of the draw. :)
Posted by Dinah on November 30, 2005, at 10:09:58
In reply to Re: what is expected, posted by Dr. Bob on November 25, 2005, at 0:50:05
> > I guess one question I'd be interested in is who is the target audience? Are these pyschopharmacologists or people who do therapy? Or people who do mainly prescribing, but are interested in other aspects of psychiatric self help.
>
> It's hard to know who's going to show up. Sorry about all the unknowns!Those unknowns are so large as to be daunting. The interest could lie in questions about the accuracy of information on Babble, the implications of early side-effect information (we all knew many of the side effects the doctors and drug companies are only now admitting), and how much trouble Babble is likely to cause them in encouraging us to try to be our own doctors as opposed or challenge their opinions.
Or the interest could be in how Babble contributes or detracts from the therapeutic relationship. Fears about being negatively judged by posters. Or interest in how we encourage each other to be open and disclose things to our therapist that we might be otherwise unwilling to disclose.
Or the interest could be more along the nature of how well the internet can serve as a source of peer support. What problems could crop up by participating.
Or the interest could lie somewhere I can't even imagine.
Individual poster/presenters may vary widely in their knowledge of and interest in these and other various topics. And I see some potential for embarassment or awkwardness.
Maybe if we were more familiar with the contents of your presentation, we'd be more able to feel comfortable with our ability to be assets to the presentation?
Posted by Deneb on November 30, 2005, at 12:09:37
In reply to Re: California coast, posted by Dr. Bob on November 29, 2005, at 21:29:28
I would like to go to California very much. I was born there and lived there until I was 11. I want to go back. It'll be cool to go back, but expensive. Better start saving now eh? :-P
Deneb
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