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Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2004, at 22:42:23
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:40:58
> Sorry to have to inform you
Really?
gg
Posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:54:58
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings » fires, posted by Dinah on July 18, 2004, at 22:40:31
Hmm, something smells fishy, but I'll bite anyway. Yes, I think psychiatry should be merged with neurology, OR "mental illnesses" could be renamed "brain disorders."
Posted by shadows721 on July 18, 2004, at 22:55:05
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:40:58
"Sorry to have to inform you, but 99.99% of everything you wrote is in my opinion either : 1)pure fiction or 2) unprovable or 3) complete **"
Please explain. I don't understand your comment.
Thank you.
Posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:55:59
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings » fires, posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2004, at 22:42:23
No, not really. It's a figure of speech.
Posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:59:05
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by shadows721 on July 18, 2004, at 22:55:05
Nope. As they say in video arcades , "game over."
Too many tilts. And, to hard to figure out who's on first. ;) I'm not a fool.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2004, at 23:00:17
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:55:59
Posted by Dinah on July 18, 2004, at 23:15:23
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:54:58
Nothing fishy, fires. You just remind me an awful lot of an old poster. And I think it would be more fun for you to find him yourself and see if you feel a certain kinship. So try typing in merging psychiatry and neurology into the search engine. It should come up with some hits. You could even use the Babble search I think. Meds board.
Or you can just forget the whole thing. But I think you'd really enjoy those posts.
Posted by shadows721 on July 18, 2004, at 23:19:43
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:59:05
"Nope. As they say in video arcades , "game over."
Too many tilts. And, to hard to figure out who's on first. ;) I'm not a fool."
What does this mean?
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2004, at 0:32:59
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:40:58
> 99.99% of everything you wrote is in my opinion either : 1)pure fiction or 2) unprovable or 3) complete **
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel put down.
If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by JenStar on July 19, 2004, at 0:42:09
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by fires on July 18, 2004, at 22:59:05
Fires,
Your posts seem to be a bit defensive. Are you feeling paranoid about anything here? Or am I just imagining this?JenStar (not TexasChic, although that IS a cool name too - smile)
Posted by TexasChic on July 19, 2004, at 8:26:24
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by JenStar on July 19, 2004, at 0:42:09
Thanks (about the name). I really couldn't think of anything else when I came up with it.
I'm not sure why fires thinks we're the same person. We must have similar writing styles.
I'm also glad you friend is cancer free. That's terrible that they didn't believe her at first. Doctors do seem to be especially skeptical of female problems. I guess because it varies so much from woman to woman. They're better now than they used to be though. Back in the 80's, when I was a teenager, everytime I started my period I would throw up for two straight days from the pain. The doctor just prescribed Vitamin B (like that's going to help!). I sometimes wonder now if that could have been a contributor to my depression. At least they acknowledge it exists now. Not that that helps if your doc doesn't believe you!
T
Posted by TexasChic on July 19, 2004, at 15:57:32
In reply to Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by shadows721 on July 18, 2004, at 20:02:53
> Somatization is another psychic defense mechanism, another way of NOT FEELING FEELINGS. It is expressed by our anger against ourselves, or trying to control others, making others feel inadequate. >
Call me ditzy (everyone else does) but I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. The definition I read for somatization was this: Physical symptoms that seem as if they are part of a general medical condition, however no general medical condition, other mental disorder, or substance is present. Are you saying that people with this disorder think they're sick because they aren't able to express their feelings any other way? That kind of makes sense. I'm just curious.
Also, I think fires was talking about being falsely accused of having it.
Posted by Jai Narayan on July 19, 2004, at 22:19:37
In reply to Re: Somatization -psychic defense against feelings, posted by shadows721 on July 18, 2004, at 22:55:05
I love your questions and your sincerity.
This poster seems to be unable to answer your questions.
but have no fear your questions are greatly appreciated.
I care.
Posted by shadows721 on July 20, 2004, at 0:14:05
In reply to Dear Shadows, posted by Jai Narayan on July 19, 2004, at 22:19:37
Thank you so much, Jai Narayan. You have no idea how much your post means to me. I really appreciate your kind words. You really touched my heart when I needed it.
Posted by fires on July 20, 2004, at 13:27:20
In reply to Dear Shadows, posted by Jai Narayan on July 19, 2004, at 22:19:37
Nice try.
Posted by Dinah on July 20, 2004, at 13:48:05
In reply to Re: Dear Shadows, posted by fires on July 20, 2004, at 13:27:20
I believe Jai was being sincere. You have many champions on this board. If you open your heart to them you might be pleasantly surprised.
It's your choice of course. I understand that you might feel you have been burned both here and on other boards when you try to help others. But there are many people here who honestly want to be your friend. Others who might not. But if you don't take the risk, you'll miss the reward of caring support.
Posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 10:11:40
In reply to Re: Dear Shadows, posted by fires on July 20, 2004, at 13:27:20
I'm one of the champions. We all need to take a step back and take a deep breath.
I realize that you have had a long history of really bad experiences with therapy and this affects your opinion of therapy as a whole, but:
The 99% statememt could be taken as an invalidation of other peoples treatments. They are doing what they think is right for them and thats a good thing in my book.
So, instead of making what seemed to me (and others) as a blanket harsh statement, maybe a bit more about how you came to that opinion (personal experience) would make it come across a bit better.
Glad you're back
Posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 15:46:28
In reply to Re: Dear Shadows » fires, posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 10:11:40
>>They are doing what they think is right for them and thats a good thing in my book.<<
And I am doing what I think is right for me, which does not include belonging to a group on which multiple ids are tolerated, and which posters are allowed to change the thread name to what they want, rather than what the thread originator wanted.
bye
Posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:23:29
In reply to Re: Dear Shadows, posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 15:46:28
Ouch. I'm trying to be your friend here, but I don't know you well enough to know how to watch what I say.
Well, actually, people aren't allowed to post under more than one name at a time. If caught they will get blocked. And Dr. Bob does check.
It is allowed to change your posting name, but is strongly, strongly encouraged to tell folks that you used to post under another name. A reason doesn't have to be stated, but it is preferred.
People will often put a different phrase in the subject line if they are addressing just one part of a post. It helps to know what is going on if not all responses have the same title.
But if it goes off topic and it looks like it will stay there, then another thread should be started.
Now back on topic.....I don't think that it was a 'small' step for you. Taking charge of your treatment like that seems to me to be a huge deal.
Good luck. I'm here a few times a day - on weekdays (my home machine is in the room my son uses and is rarely available).
Posted by Susan47 on July 21, 2004, at 16:33:35
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:23:29
I hope you can deal with all your hostility in an effective way; this board is not the place to do that.
We need support, not your criticism.
Posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:39:06
In reply to Fires, posted by Susan47 on July 21, 2004, at 16:33:35
Thanks for sticking up for me (grin) A big thumbs up for that.
I think we all need support, though, even fires. He's obviously had some bad experiences.
Thanks again
Mel
Posted by Susan47 on July 21, 2004, at 16:47:54
In reply to Re: Fires » Susan47, posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:39:06
...and thanks for reminding me. I don't think anyone is out to fool anyone else here; we're meant to support each other and I'd like to support Fires but I definitely don't want to have hostility thrown at me in the process.
I guess that's my real concern; I feel very badly about what Fires must be going through.
Posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 17:21:47
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids » fires, posted by AuntieMel on July 21, 2004, at 16:23:29
I really do intend to cease posting here in the near future.:) There are far too many using multiple names (in my opinion, which is based on careful reading of posts). Also, users not only change the thread name, but they use it to post messages. Just a thread name with no other message. I find it annoying.
I leave you with a pithy quote for the psychobabblers: "if all one has is a hammer, all one sees is nails."
Bye,
Posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 17:24:59
In reply to Fires, posted by Susan47 on July 21, 2004, at 16:33:35
**I** find your logic bizarre. Criticism can be the best form of support at times. No? Also, I've been less than hostile, compared to the flaming I've withstood here.
Thanks
Posted by gardenergirl on July 21, 2004, at 23:48:21
In reply to Re: Off topic digressions, multiple ids, posted by fires on July 21, 2004, at 17:21:47
Fires,
I'm sorry that Babble conventions are not to your liking. But I agree with others that modifying the subject line to further clarify what your post is about is helpful, especially if the initial post subject line is a broad topic, such as "transference". And I find nm posts to be convenient, as I don't have to open a window to read something that is short enough to stay in the subject line. I am not as familiar with the posting conventions of other sites, but Babble is flexible enough for me to be comfortable. I am sorry it appears to be too flexible for you.Your comment about multiple ID's is intriguing. I admit, I am not as good as others at picking out what is a similar enough style in posting to determine that the posters are the same person. Frankly that would take up too much mental energy for me. Although I do wonder if some of the posters you believe to be the same person are just different people with similar points of view.
Wouldn't it be weird, though, if all of Babble were in actuality all one person, except for you? Gives you something to think about.
Regards,
gg
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