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Posted by Dr. Bob on September 8, 2003, at 0:29:25
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on September 7, 2003, at 20:56:01
> So if anyone has any idea how to help please tell me immediately.
>
> xxxI asked you before not to request money directly from others here, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by sienna on September 9, 2003, at 18:03:03
In reply to Re: blocked for week » OCDsalivator, posted by Dr. Bob on September 8, 2003, at 0:29:25
As far as I can tell he said nothing at all about
money in this post. He simply asked people to please tell him immediately if they had any idea how to help him.And also in his original post he wasnt requesting money at all, he was offering money to anyone who could help him. WHen you asked him not to offer or ask for money, he never did ask again from what I saw.
I feel that this block is unfair.
Sienna
> > So if anyone has any idea how to help please tell me immediately.
> >
> > xxx
>
> I asked you before not to request money directly from others here, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
>
> Bob
>
> PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 10, 2003, at 19:35:31
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Dr. Bob, posted by sienna on September 9, 2003, at 18:03:03
> As far as I can tell he said nothing at all about
> money in this post.It was on the website...
> And also in his original post he wasnt requesting money at all, he was offering money
You're right, I had it backwards, sorry, but the policy does apply both ways.
Bob
Posted by fab on September 20, 2003, at 1:28:11
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on September 7, 2003, at 20:56:01
> Well I have a new website describing my OCD symptom in case anyone out there knows anyone in the world that could possibly help. I feel like the stress is probably going to make me pass out soon, and I don't know if I'll get back up.
> So if anyone has any idea how to help please tell me immediately.
>
> xxx
http://www.lancethurston.com/joyfultools.htm
has realaudio clips scroll down the selection to
CRITICAL INNER VOICES (under 2 minutes long)
maybe you can try some of the techniques used
and apply them to your OCD thoughtsThere is also a tape called BRAINLOCK which some people have found helpful for OCD (you can probably find it in a search)
And there's also NLP that might be useful if you haven't tried that.
Good luck! What's your new website?
Posted by braincandy_566 on October 29, 2003, at 22:44:14
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
Just to let you know, you are not alone. I have had this constant swallowing dilemma for about 15 years myself (I'm 29). It has been very difficult for me to feel comfortable in many public places, to speak to people (especially in quiet settings), etc.. Whatever activity I'm involved with, I can't go a few minutes without swallowing. Often the act of swallowing in front of people other than my family makes me feel anxious and nervous. However, whether with other people or by myself, I often find myself in the constant swallowing mode. (The only times I don't have this problem are when I'm watching a good movie I get lost in).
I believe the swallowing condition I have has greatly influenced my career path as I am in a field with far less 'people' interaction than many other professions. It has likewise affected many other areas of my life.
Medication such as luvox or buspar has alleviated the problem a little, but not that much. Besides, I feel I lose a little mental edge when I take any unnecessary medications. Dry mouth meds may not work very well for me. Only tried this amitryptyline and felt it was not very helpful (tried different dosing).
I've been to several psychologists but have not yet found someone to really help my problem, though it's been nice to have an outlet for negative thoughts, etc.
I guess its good to have a sense of humor, but that only goes so far. I empathize with your situation, and hope that it improves. Let me know if you have any breakthroughs. :)
ps im open to any suggestions.
Jason
Posted by Elle2021 on October 30, 2003, at 19:52:24
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by braincandy_566 on October 29, 2003, at 22:44:14
I don't know how to help you really, but I DO THE SAME THING!! I have had OCD since I was about 11, and I used to do the swallowing thing pretty frequently, then, quite suddenly it stopped. It hasn't come back, thankfully. Sometimes with compulsions it helps to remind yourself: "This is my OCD, I don't have to do this, nothing bad will happen if I choose not to do this." It helps me sometimes, but other times the anxiety is too overwhelming. Have you tried Clomipramine? It helped me a little, but couldn't stand the side effects. Now I'm on Paxil, which seems to be improving my condition mildly...but thats better than nothing. Keep me updated on your condition. Bless you! Elle
Posted by april8 on October 30, 2003, at 23:42:24
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by braincandy_566 on October 29, 2003, at 22:44:14
Gosh, I read your post, I suffer from depression and am taking medications, but as a kid I had some compulsive behavior. Mine was an offspring of childhood abuse, violent and sexual abuse. So I can really identify with the feelings you are having. I am a therapist now and if I hear any good things about OCD treatment I will let you know. feel free to email me. also I have heard that CBT cognitive behavioral therapy can work. Going to a clinic setting would likely be the best in terms of treatment. best to you!
Posted by braincandy_566 on November 1, 2003, at 10:00:16
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by april8 on October 30, 2003, at 23:42:24
Thanks Elle and April for your responses
Posted by april8 on November 1, 2003, at 21:13:48
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
Did you get any good feedback, you can email me at snoupy4u@AOL.COM if you want I am happy to provide you some support!
good for you for reaching out!
april
Posted by Marsel Bennett on November 5, 2003, at 16:31:12
In reply to Re: OCD symptom » OCDsalivator, posted by Dinah on August 19, 2003, at 0:44:08
what kind of dependancy do you think smoking has?
a physical one?, or a psychological one?
(and if both, which would be superior?)
the solution is simple, the theory always is....but putting it into action is the real battle.you say the "thought" of your mouth causes excessive salivation. if that is true...and make sure it is...it would be logical to assume it is a psychological trigger that can be removed.
i would look for ways of destracting thoughts of my mouth by over-stimulating other regions (preferably in the face) who knows maybe even take up smoking (no, don't start smoking, it actually aids salivation...).
otherwise the only advice that i can give you, which is 100% sure to work....is to start a habit of smoking marijuana...that will surely solve your saliva problem. may cause new ones tho :)
Posted by krazybirdlady on November 13, 2003, at 18:37:30
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
you say you have suffered from OCD symptoms for over 15 years. Might i ask what some of your other symptoms were? you see my daughter has experienced many different OCD symptoms since she was 7 yrs. old. Eye blinking, sniffing, shoulder shrugs and pursing of the lips among many others. she has managed to outgrow (overcome) them all, except the eye-blinking, but it wasn't until we had her correctly diagnosed that she improved. it wasn't OCD at all...she has a mild form of Tourette's syndrome....
Posted by Dinah on November 16, 2003, at 16:29:59
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
check out the work of lang and malamed or especially frezza and holland.
Posted by KT921 on November 17, 2003, at 21:16:54
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
Hey,
I am new here, but I was wondering how how you were doing? I have had some OCD problems, but thankfully overcame them. The worst one was actually similar to yours. I constantly (I mean all the time) felt like I had a hair in my throat, which would cause me to salivate profusely. The need to spit was horrible and I ended up spitting on my sleeve while I was in public to hide it. I finally figured out it was a panic reaction, thinking about it made it worse, and so instead of meds, I have figured out that breathing exercises and meditation have knocked it out. Things that I can utilize in public without feeling like I am attracting attention work wonders. Maybe you should look into some of the breathing techniques people with panic disorders use. Good luck to you and if I have any more ideas, I will let you know!!
Posted by braincandy_566 on November 22, 2003, at 8:13:19
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by krazybirdlady on November 13, 2003, at 18:37:30
>i have had other symptoms in the past, but none as prevalent as the excess salivation. These have included occasional neck twitching.
you say you have suffered from OCD symptoms for over 15 years. Might i ask what some of your other symptoms were? you see my daughter has experienced many different OCD symptoms since she was 7 yrs. old. Eye blinking, sniffing, shoulder shrugs and pursing of the lips among many others. she has managed to outgrow (overcome) them all, except the eye-blinking, but it wasn't until we had her correctly diagnosed that she improved. it wasn't OCD at all...she has a mild form of Tourette's syndrome....
Posted by braincandy_566 on November 22, 2003, at 8:17:21
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by KT921 on November 17, 2003, at 21:16:54
>Thanks for the info. I have tried belly breathing when I get anxious and it does help me a little. Its probably good to use routinely.
Hey,
> I am new here, but I was wondering how how you were doing? I have had some OCD problems, but thankfully overcame them. The worst one was actually similar to yours. I constantly (I mean all the time) felt like I had a hair in my throat, which would cause me to salivate profusely. The need to spit was horrible and I ended up spitting on my sleeve while I was in public to hide it. I finally figured out it was a panic reaction, thinking about it made it worse, and so instead of meds, I have figured out that breathing exercises and meditation have knocked it out. Things that I can utilize in public without feeling like I am attracting attention work wonders. Maybe you should look into some of the breathing techniques people with panic disorders use. Good luck to you and if I have any more ideas, I will let you know!!
Posted by Jeremy Moore on December 29, 2003, at 12:14:28
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
Hello, I think I can be of asistance to your problem. I sure could use the money as I am really in a tight fix. I have had ocd since childhood. To get rid of your salivating problem you need to do this. Put a religious question in your head that can't be answered. Such as, if God knows everything in the future, then I have no control over my life. This will get your mind fixed on this problem. Then after a few days, just say that whatever is is going to be. I bet this relieves you of your symptons. Anymore help, you can email me at docmoore13@hotmail.com
good luck
Posted by dragonfly25 on December 29, 2003, at 13:23:44
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
hi there,
i don't know anything about OCD, but a friend of mine had really bad salivation from meds. this might help you- there is a drug, i believe it is only in canada but you can get it at www.pharmacy.ca and it basically dries you out. it causes a dry mouth side effect. (but actually so do antidepressants), anyway it might be worth looking into, as i said i am not familiar with the problem but if it is a salivation problem this might prevent you from salivating too much, it is called 'Avert'
good luck> I don't know what else to do other than offer cash to anyone who can think of a way to solve this OCD symptom without medication. I tried over 20 different medications spanning 15 years and have also been in bed tired from medication for 15 years and am never taking medication ever again.
>
> Whenever I think about my mouth, I salivate. This is caused by my OCD (my OCD makes me keep thinking about salivation...which in turn, makes me salivate). The salivation prevents me from doing things like talking, singing, etc. And it also causes damage to my mouth because when I swallow, my tongue rubs against my gums and makes them bleed.
>
> I have had this symptom for 2 years and have been to OCD specialists with no idea how to treat this behaviorally. (The medication makes it somewhat tolerable but that's it.) I have fought and won over every other OCD symptom you can think of, but no one has any idea how to cure this one. The hard part in curing this symptom is that I can't just simply stop doing it (which usually cures other OCD symptoms).
>
> For Godssakes help me from this Hell. If you can help I will give you all the money I possibly can and I'm sure you could write a book about it too, as well as treat any other OCD symptom imaginable.
>
Posted by william13smith on March 5, 2004, at 10:09:45
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
dear ocd salivator.
please help me if you can sufferring very very bad with ocd and deppression,like you i to need help.please tell me if you have found a cure.
i am male 52. yrs. old. living in uk desperate for help. please help if you can .how can i contact you?
is there anyone out there who can help me in the same way as ocdsalivator is asking for?
Posted by william13smith on March 5, 2004, at 10:22:47
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom » OCDsalivator, posted by william13smith on March 5, 2004, at 10:09:45
sorry just posted message vto ocd salviator.
now read your replys realise my problem not exactly same as yours.ie i do not have a problem with my saliva. but still desperate for a a cure if you can or anyone else.mine is severe checking unwanted thougths etc.
feeling so suicidal. please help me someone.
need cure without medication.
to late for cbt. antidepressents make me feel worse.
tried all the other alternatives. hyp. accupuncture. herbs.
had shock treatmentment sure this as made me worse damaged my brain. doctors cant help me anymore.
Posted by KindGirl on March 5, 2004, at 23:26:54
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by william13smith on March 5, 2004, at 10:22:47
I am sorry....I just popped in here and have not followed the thread but I just now read your post William and I want you to know that I am sending up a prayer for you right now (9:24 p.m Pacific Standard Time)....and I hope hope hope that doesn't offend you in ANY way. I hear your despair and how you want to give up because nothing has worked...this must be so hard for you...you have really tried lots of ways to find help for this concern.
So, that is why I wanted to pray for you because that is what I do when nothing else works. I hope you are feeling better whenever you get this. Gentle hugs your way, if okay.
Hang in there. You are not alone...keep posting and let me know how you are doing.
Posted by Apperceptor on March 6, 2004, at 18:42:30
In reply to Thinking of you William... » william13smith, posted by KindGirl on March 5, 2004, at 23:26:54
First off, I second KindGirl's beautiful sentiment. I do believe quite strongly in the efficacy of prayer.
I'd like to suggest Exposure and Response Prevention. It is an extremely well-tested and effective strategy for OCD, and is recommended as a primary treatment by the APA (both of them, I think) and the National Institute of Mental Health.
Two excellent books on this are "Brain Lock" by Jeffery Schwarz, and "Stop Obsessing!" by Edna Foa. You can also contact the American Association for Behavior Therapy (AABT) for referrals.
My best. I promise you that you can significantly improve. OCD is a nightmare, I know from personal experience. Fortunately, it is immensely treatable.
Posted by william13smith on March 26, 2004, at 11:07:10
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
help i am still waiting for someone to respond yo my plea for a cure to my ocd depression . re my previous posting.
william13smith
>
Posted by Apperceptor on March 27, 2004, at 1:34:59
In reply to ocd cure without drugs have side affects or cbt, posted by william13smith on March 26, 2004, at 11:07:10
You'll notice I posted one a while ago.
Posted by Alesta on April 17, 2004, at 17:19:04
In reply to $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by OCDsalivator on August 18, 2003, at 1:25:18
Hey,
Sorry you're having such a hard time. i'm going to try to keep this brief due to repetitive stress injuries.there are 2 great things to try. Fish oil (i like carlson's lemon-flavored, which is just as high quality as omegabrite and cheaper), probably around 5 grams (5,000 mg) a day. you can get a great price at iherb.com. See if lower amounts work first, due to cost. here is a web site about this: http://www.omega3.20megsfree.com/about.html
2nd thing is morphine. i read a promising article about taking a small dose 1 or 2 times a week, and a post elsewhere on psychobabble. maybe find a doctor who will prescribe it. our brain has natural morphine, which you may be deficient in or something. sounds very promising. (i think the fda is testing a similar drug called tramadol for ocd.) here is the psychobabble post:
New treatment to ocd and social phobia:
There are several studies that indicate that morphine provides relief from ocd taken orally only once a week! Studies indicate that it acts on the caudate nucleus which the area of the brain that is implicated with ocd.Check out this info.
Exciting evidence recently published in the Canadian Journal of Psychiatry suggested morphine as an efficacious drug that showed dramatic effects in cases in which SSRI's, behavior therapy, and psychosurgery failed (Warnecke 1997). The author referenced several imaging studies showing a concentration of opioid receptors in the caudate nucleus, an aforementioned important region in the pathogenesis of OCD (Murin et al. 1980; Woo et al. 1985). Notably, none of the patients reported a euphoric response after each dose of morphine, which suggests that the mu subclass of opioid receptors may not be involved and the risk of addiction should be very low. Oral doses of morphine were given with doses ranging from 20 to 40 mg. Surprisingly, therapeutic effects lasted for at least 5 days following a single dose.
Does anyone have any experience with morphine for ocd?
I can see why this can be true, b/c I recently recieved morphine when I had my wisdom teeth taken out. For several days I had complete relief from my ocd and social phobia.Good luck to you! i hope you find relief.
take care.
Posted by Alesta on April 18, 2004, at 21:11:44
In reply to Re: $1000 or more to solve this OCD symptom, posted by william13smith on March 5, 2004, at 10:22:47
Oh, one more possible solution i forgot to mention is inositol, at a very high dosage (i think 18 g, not sure). if any of these options help anyone, please let me/us know. would love to hear from you.
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