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Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:37:02

In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 22:55:32

It's here somewhere but I couldn't find it in my search.

Here he is talking. He just seems nice, honest and realistic.

https://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/20/the_limits_of_power_andrew_bacevich

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:43:17

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:37:02

And that is from 10 years ago before Syria, ISIS and what is to come.

 

Kyle on Fox » beckett2

Posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 16:44:31

In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 22:58:36

I don't have a mental map of the US. If you were listening to people from here and commented I would be able to place them immediately, rightly or wrongly. But when I listen to people from the US everything is naturally slightly different.

Since you don't mind Kyle, here he is doing something interesting (and courageous) in a restricted format. I like him because he seems to value the truth and tries to cut across the normal enforced pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQzb0LRClqY

 

Re: I make no comment » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on April 13, 2018, at 18:57:13

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:29:45

> Andrew Bacevich shows what has happened to conservatism. He is quite straightforward as being Christian, Republican and conservative and yet he sounds just like everyone else reasonable, really left wing. Did you read the statement he wrote to be delivered to the Sydney Writers Festival when he could not come because of his son's death in Iraq? I will find it in case you haven't.

I would, if you don't mind looking it up.

 

Re: I make no comment » beckett2

Posted by sigismund on April 13, 2018, at 20:22:09

In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 13, 2018, at 18:57:13

I had posted it here but could not find it. Here it is in the Wapo.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/25/AR2007052502032.html

 

Re: I make no comment » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 13:59:38

In reply to Re: I make no comment » beckett2, posted by sigismund on April 13, 2018, at 20:22:09

> I had posted it here but could not find it. Here it is in the Wapo.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/25/AR2007052502032.html

The last paragraph is gutting. I cried.

A quick search yielded a nyt article https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/us/16prof.html

He's Roman Catholic. I like catholics. They don't own a monopoly on compassion, and they are sinners with the worst of us, but their doctrine is steeped in it.

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:42:44

In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 13:59:38

>The last paragraph is gutting. I cried.

Me too. He had been due to speak on a panel at the Sydney Writers Festival at the town hall. He could not come and that statement was read out. There had been such concern about Iraq, and on hearing that the entire room went absolutely silent.

But like he says, it makes no difference. Now it is Syria and if we are lucky nowhere else. But I am not confident.

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:45:04

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:42:44

Who was it who said that thing about opening the gates of hell?

Aziz (the former foreign minister under Saddam)?

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 18:05:59

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:45:04

From 100 years ago

What is that sound high in the air
Murmur of maternal lamentation
Who are those hooded hordes swarming
Over endless plains, stumbling in cracked earth
Ringed by the flat horizon only
What is the city over the mountains
Cracks and reforms and bursts in the violet air
Falling towers
Jerusalem Athens Alexandria
Vienna London
Unreal

My grandfather fought in what is nor Syria and Israel.

'The past is not history, it isn't even past. To believe otherwise is criminal.' James Baldwin

 

Re: I make no comment » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 21:57:11

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 18:05:59

> From 100 years ago
>
> What is that sound high in the air
> Murmur of maternal lamentation
> Who are those hooded hordes swarming
> Over endless plains, stumbling in cracked earth
> Ringed by the flat horizon only
> What is the city over the mountains
> Cracks and reforms and bursts in the violet air
> Falling towers
> Jerusalem Athens Alexandria
> Vienna London
> Unreal
>
> My grandfather fought in what is nor Syria and Israel.
>
> 'The past is not history, it isn't even past. To believe otherwise is criminal.' James Baldwin

Who wrote the above? And apt quote from Baldwin, whom I've never really read.

That image on the album cover of Post Empire. That's how I imagine your grandfather.


 

Re: I make no comment » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 22:15:45

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:45:04

> Who was it who said that thing about opening the gates of hell?
>
> Aziz (the former foreign minister under Saddam)?

There's that study of epigenetics. My great grandmother made my grandmother kneel on coals (cold ones) ordering her to hold a broom over her head for I don't know how long.

Was thinking about that today. Genes, attenuation. My grandmother treated my mother cruelly.

Did you know viruses fall from the sky night and day? The NYT has an article. Scientists caught them in buckets. I can find the article if your interested. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/science/virosphere-evolution.html)

"It is well known that in Lusitania, in the vicinity of the town of Olisipo and the river Tagus, the mares, by turning their faces towards the west wind as it blows, become impregnated by its breezes,and that the foals which are conceived in this way are remarkable for their extreme fleetness; but they never live beyond three years."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yROppYcAKfA

 

Re: I make no comment » beckett2

Posted by sigismund on April 16, 2018, at 0:47:47

In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 21:57:11

Post Empire? Not to be confused with Post War, whatever it was called by Tony Judt.

In those days people from Australia and NZ felt they were defending the British Empire. There was a problem with the Irish, and therefore Catholicism and conscription became a big issue.

That was Eliot, as is this, brought to mind by the forest of false flags and feints. It is hard for me to believe in anything I hear. Which brings to mind from Eliot

These with a thousand small deliberations
Protract the profit of their chilled delirium,
Excite the membrane, when the sense has cooled,
With pungent sauces, multiply variety
In a wilderness of mirrors.

and from Ezra Pound

There shut up in his castle, Tairirans,
She who had nor ears nor tongue save in her hands,
Goneah, goneuntouched, unreachable!
She who could never live save through one person,
She who could never speak save to one person,
And all the rest of her a shifting change,
A broken bundle of mirrors!

And from Grace Slick (with apologies)

You want two heads on you body
And you've got two mirrors in your hand.
Priests are made of brick with gold crosses on a stick
And your hands are too small for this land.

 

Re: I make no comment » beckett2

Posted by sigismund on April 16, 2018, at 16:02:20

In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 22:15:45

I had no idea about the viruses. Teaming with life. The song was nice.

It's such a bad time with bad timing. The liberal press (well, I get my information from different places so I don't see much of it.) was not like this during Watergate when the Wapo was reproduced in papers here.

Hey, the other day I saw Erdogan and Putin's press conference. Umm, on RT, idk if it was covered anywhere else. And then the leaders of Iran, Turkey and Russia put out a statement and now I can't find it. Something along the lines of rejecting attempts to create new realities or I imagine the perception of them.

This bloke was a Greens Senator until he resigned because of dual citizenship. He was one of the standouts here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/16/syria-exposes-the-broken-state-of-global-governance-how-do-we-respond

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by beckett2 on April 16, 2018, at 23:44:04

In reply to Re: I make no comment » beckett2, posted by sigismund on April 16, 2018, at 16:02:20

"While much of the news may be fake, the deaths are real."

He who will not be named's approval rating returned to his (almost?) all time high after the strikes. This alone saddens me.

Today's surreal reveal was Sean Hannity named as the third client of Michael Cohen, the above's lawyer. I believe he now has a lawyer to deal with his lawyer's case.

Twitter is a terrible thing. Worse than FB. An article in the Atlantic discusses a study by MIT examining fake news on twitter. That twitter is the orange one's preferred means reveals how crazy like a fox he is.

If you have the interest. If not, the condensed version is fake news flies faster, sticks harder than truth. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/largest-study-ever-fake-news-mit-twitter/555104/

The Albright book is very interesting (to myself who knows little history) but tough to take. You know where it's going. There is a certain portion of citizens I want a divorce from.

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on April 17, 2018, at 1:47:26

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by beckett2 on April 16, 2018, at 23:44:04

> There is a certain portion of citizens I want a divorce from.

I have thought of becoming a Catholic in admiration of Pope Francis.. I admire Putin, not for murdering his enemies, but for talking strategic sense. In particular 'Can't you see what you have done?' and 'Can't you think one step ahead?' And of course I admire the Russian people.

I want a divorce from the military industrial financial MSM complex.

Am I crazy to think we live with propaganda of totalitarian proportions? But they (the Russian people) were educated while we are not. 'Distracted from distraction by distraction' (TSE). However the lines are fluid and changeable. I wouldn't be surprised to see the right sound more and more reasonable and the corporate democratic thingo be the militarist wing.

It may be less painful for us here to laugh at our leaders than it is for you there. Ours don't count.

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on April 18, 2018, at 16:03:58

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 17, 2018, at 1:47:26

This is Richard Flanagan on the Australian part of all this.......

In Australia though we feel ourselves, as ever, a long way away. We feel we are somehow immune from these dangerous currents. After all, we have had routine forays into populist extremism from the mid 1990s with the likes of Hansonism without it ever threatening our democracy. Our politics may be dreadful, a black comedy pregnant with collapse, its actors exhausted, without imagination or courage or principle, solely obsessed with pillaging the tawdry jewels of office and fleeing into distant sinecures as ambassadors or high commissioners, or with paid up Chinese board posts, while outside the city burns. But it is all very far from a dictatorship.

 

Re: I make no comment » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on May 1, 2018, at 20:48:19

In reply to I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 6, 2018, at 18:39:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnjAFOeg_X0

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on May 2, 2018, at 0:28:29

In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on May 1, 2018, at 20:48:19

'He's been a great help on the border with North Korea'.

God? Kim Jong Un? I am unsure of whom he means.

I agree with him about fake news. That's why I liked the Washington DC thing, whoever she was, because she went after the press.

They can't easily ban books. US military actions in the Korean War are well known in Washington, Michigan? It may not matter how the ship sinks. No one left to figure out the truth or care.

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on June 20, 2018, at 1:23:28

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on May 2, 2018, at 0:28:29

As Churchill may have said....this is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning.

Nowhere near the nadir yet? Family values. A promising field to hoe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLBEzTpArk

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on June 20, 2018, at 1:44:51

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on June 20, 2018, at 1:23:28

This is how we treat that sort.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jun/20/we-thought-wed-never-get-out-a-refugee-from-manus-starts-life-in-the-us

Any islands nearby? (F*ck*ng Cuba) Where was he from anyhow? Brezhinski? Oh, from there? You can see why they were on the list. Has it moved from angering to humiliating? How much longer? A lot.

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on June 21, 2018, at 19:15:43

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on June 20, 2018, at 1:44:51

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/ng-interactive/2018/jun/20/deaths-in-offshore-detention-the-faces-of-the-people-who-have-died-in-australias-care

 

Re: I make no comment

Posted by sigismund on June 27, 2018, at 21:17:26

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on June 21, 2018, at 19:15:43

Civilisational failure, moral authority undeserved. One day it may be said they/we lost the mandate of heaven.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/28/you-hate-us-that-much-mother-of-refugee-who-killed-himself-on-nauru-berates-australia

 

Re: I make no comment » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on June 28, 2018, at 17:28:33

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on June 27, 2018, at 21:17:26

Before I read the other past few posts, I want to tell you this dropped yesterday: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/us/politics/trump-supreme-court-kennedy.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

AU doesn't have lifetime appointments, does it?

 

Re: I make no comment » sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on June 28, 2018, at 17:51:08

In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on June 27, 2018, at 21:17:26

> Civilisational failure, moral authority undeserved. One day it may be said they/we lost the mandate of heaven.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/28/you-hate-us-that-much-mother-of-refugee-who-killed-himself-on-nauru-berates-australia

I'd read about Fazileh Mansour Beigi, but not his mother's statement, nor that they (the authorities) have retained his body. Her words are painful to read. The entire episode is painful to read. I don't know what to say. I can't summon the outrage today, I just feel weepy.

There's a march Saturday in our town we're attending (with my 80 y.o. MIL). I don't see the impact local demonstration, but I don't have it in my to drive to the city where I imagine there will be a large one.

In the US, the Supreme Court Roe v Wade ruled in favor a woman's right to an abortion 40+ years ago. The current administration (the figurehead) says he'll put a 'pro-life' judge on the court-- which I think is illegal. (That is to select a ruling ahead of time.) But he's getting away with it. Another ruling on Tues maybe was the travel ban was upheld despite the admin calling it a muslim ban. That and unions being defanged, overturning a 40+ year ruling. We'll need to look to the wildcat teachers for their ferocity.

(I hadn't seen your messages before, or'd I'd have commented.)

 

Re: I make no comment » beckett2

Posted by sigismund on June 28, 2018, at 21:40:25

In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on June 28, 2018, at 17:51:08

>I know that your violence and cruelty is deeply rooted

Yes, the simple truth. Cruelty to some is a proof of purity.

Our judges retire at age 70.

I could not understand the refusal of the Senate (?) to consider Obama's candidate for the Supreme Court.


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