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Posted by Lamdage22 on September 13, 2018, at 5:32:03
How can i tweak my regimen? I have OCD traits, Schizo-Affective, Depression and social Anxiety! I like to take low doses of stuff rather than very high doses. I rather err on the side of too low than too high.
Multi-Vitamin
> Vitamin A 800 microgram
> Vitamin E 18 mg
> Vitamin C 120mg
> Vitamin K 30 microgram
> Vitamin B1 1,6 mg
> Vitamin B2 2,1 mg
> Vitamin B6 2,1 mg
> Vitamin B12 3 microgram
> Vitamin D 5 microgram
> Biotin 62,5 microgram
> Folic Acid 200 microgram
> Niacin 20mg
> Panthotenic Acid 7,5 mg
> Calcium 200 mg
> Phosphorous 105 mg
> Magnesium 120 mg
> Iron 3,75 mg
> Iodine 100 microgram
> Copper 500 microgram
> Manganese 2mg
> Chrome 40 microgram
> Molybdenum 50 micrograms
> Selenium 30 micrograms
> Zinc 5 mgB-Complex
> Thiamin (as Thiamin HCl) 110 mg.
> Riboflavin (as Riboflavin 5'-Phosphate Sodium) 10 mg.
> Niacin (130 mg as Niacinamide and 10 mg as Niacin) 140 mg.
> Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate) 10 mg.
> Folate (400 mcg as L-5-Methyltetrahydrofolate from L-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic Acid,Glucosamine Salt) 667 mcg DFE
> Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin) 400 mcg.
> Biotin 400 mcg.
> Pantothenic Acid (as Calcium Pantothenate) 110 mg.
> Choline (as Choline Citrate) 28 mg. )Methylfolate 5mg
Magnesium 400mg,
Selenium 200mcg
Zinc 15mg
Threonine 1000mg
Taurine 3000mg
Vitamin C XR 2000mg
Vitamin D3 5000IU
Vitamin K2 200mcg
EPA 325mg
DHA 425mg
Flaxseedoil 1000mg
Olive Oil 1000mg
OPC 250mgE-Complex:
d-alpha-tocopherol 90mg
Beta Tocopherol 2,8mg
Gamma-Tocopherol 90mg
Delta Tocopherol 33,5mg
Alpha Tocotrienol 18mg
Beta Tocotrienol 3mg
Gamma Tocotrienol 26mg
Delta Tocotrienol 10mg
Squalene 12mg
Phytosterols 4mg
Posted by Christ_empowered on September 13, 2018, at 18:07:27
In reply to Addition to my supplement regimen?, posted by Lamdage22 on September 13, 2018, at 5:32:03
maybe a hefty dose of c? i go for time release, personally. :-)
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 14, 2018, at 11:47:36
In reply to Re: Addition to my supplement regimen?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 13, 2018, at 18:07:27
Me too. I am not a friend of hefty dosages though. I have theanine and green tea extract. I wonder if there would be interactions?
Posted by Lamdage22 on September 28, 2018, at 4:04:40
In reply to Re: Addition to my supplement regimen?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 13, 2018, at 18:07:27
I just started niacinamide. What are your thoughts? How many weeks until onset of action?
Posted by Christ_empowered on September 28, 2018, at 18:02:09
In reply to To christempowered, posted by Lamdage22 on September 28, 2018, at 4:04:40
hi. im --not-- an expert, all my Orthomolecular-related posts aside. just...a big time fan.
i started sleeping better within 2 weeks, calmer within 6 weeks. i take 3grams/daily, occasionally up to 6.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 2, 2018, at 4:25:44
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Christ_empowered on September 28, 2018, at 18:02:09
Ok thanks. Is it like a benzo? Do you think driving would be affected?
Posted by Christ_empowered on October 8, 2018, at 9:32:07
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Lamdage22 on October 2, 2018, at 4:25:44
now and then I'd find it a tad sedating. not like a benzodiazepine. my driving was never affected, but I don't anything terribly sedating. be careful, please.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 9, 2018, at 12:04:31
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Christ_empowered on October 8, 2018, at 9:32:07
It seems like niacinamide is making me depressed! Severely!
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 10, 2018, at 9:40:13
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Lamdage22 on October 9, 2018, at 12:04:31
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 12, 2018, at 11:40:54
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Christ_empowered on September 28, 2018, at 18:02:09
I wonder why this made me worse. Is it because my body doesnt like it or is it because parasites, bacteria, viruses or funguses dont like it?
MSM made me anxious however i think i will start another experiment!
Posted by Christ_empowered on December 14, 2018, at 5:13:40
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Lamdage22 on December 12, 2018, at 11:40:54
hi...
some people go thru detox stuff with orthomolecular. i kinda sorta did, except...the first 6 months of my Orthomolecular, I deliberately went for detox by adding in bunches of things (alpha lipoic acid, for instance...and NAC...), so my case is a bit different. After 6 months, I switched over to a more standard Orthomolecular protocol, and its been OK.
you really should match up C with B3. I go way above, personally...right now, I'm only @ 12 grams time release C, down from 20. I think...my tolerance for C is now a lot lower, so maybe all this detoxing and such did something? The vitamin C people say that when one's tolerance for daily C goes down, it means you've been made healthier. something like that, anyway.
I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but...usually, its like this: for standard Orthomolecular, you need high potency b-complex. b-50 2, 3 x daily...or, if you're me, 2 b-100 tablets in the AM (they're time release). You also need the C, natural form E or dry E (I go for natural form), a good multi, D3, some form EPA+DHA (Hoffer was all about salmon oil, if I recall correctly...), and then...
add ons, as you deem fit. My protocol is pretty bare bones now, but for a while it was crazy insane...green tea extract, grape seed extract, astaxanthin, lycopene...
it just got to be a bit much, plus...honestly, its a lot cheaper and easier to ramp up on the C and other vitamins that are also antioxidants than it is to keep adding in other antioxidants, plus...the vitamins don't seem to mess w/ tranquilizer blood levels as much (so far, so good, for me...).
now...additional add ons that are more in line w/ the Orthomolecular philosophy and that have helped me would include the various minerals nobody seems to get enough of in the diet. selenium, zinc, etc. multi-mineral supplements can come in handy, and there are also trace mineral supplements available.
I've become a whole lot healthier and more lucid on the vitamins...but its taken time. Now, my new psych person is choosing to call my problems "Bipolar I," and she's even saying we can see about a slow and steady taper off the tranquilizer, provided I stay on Lamictal. Before...I was a hot mess, as in...state hospital level hot mess.
some people use no flush niacin, which I think is niacin hexa-nicotinate. I briefly tried it, it was OK, but...opinions in the "alternative" world vary, so I went back to niacinamide.
and then there's real, bona fide niacin...that's the gold standard in Hoffer's treatment protocols, I just don't mess with it.
hope this helps.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 14, 2018, at 8:36:27
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Christ_empowered on December 14, 2018, at 5:13:40
NAC makes me better for 2 days then worse depression wise. Alpha lipoic acid made me psychotic to some degree. ALA makes me almost psychotic
> hi...
>
> some people go thru detox stuff with orthomolecular. i kinda sorta did, except...the first 6 months of my Orthomolecular, I deliberately went for detox by adding in bunches of things (alpha lipoic acid, for instance...and NAC...), so my case is a bit different. After 6 months, I switched over to a more standard Orthomolecular protocol, and its been OK.
>
> you really should match up C with B3. I go way above, personally...right now, I'm only @ 12 grams time release C, down from 20. I think...my tolerance for C is now a lot lower, so maybe all this detoxing and such did something? The vitamin C people say that when one's tolerance for daily C goes down, it means you've been made healthier. something like that, anyway.
>
> I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but...usually, its like this: for standard Orthomolecular, you need high potency b-complex. b-50 2, 3 x daily...or, if you're me, 2 b-100 tablets in the AM (they're time release). You also need the C, natural form E or dry E (I go for natural form), a good multi, D3, some form EPA+DHA (Hoffer was all about salmon oil, if I recall correctly...), and then...
>
> add ons, as you deem fit. My protocol is pretty bare bones now, but for a while it was crazy insane...green tea extract, grape seed extract, astaxanthin, lycopene...
>
> it just got to be a bit much, plus...honestly, its a lot cheaper and easier to ramp up on the C and other vitamins that are also antioxidants than it is to keep adding in other antioxidants, plus...the vitamins don't seem to mess w/ tranquilizer blood levels as much (so far, so good, for me...).
>
> now...additional add ons that are more in line w/ the Orthomolecular philosophy and that have helped me would include the various minerals nobody seems to get enough of in the diet. selenium, zinc, etc. multi-mineral supplements can come in handy, and there are also trace mineral supplements available.
>
> I've become a whole lot healthier and more lucid on the vitamins...but its taken time. Now, my new psych person is choosing to call my problems "Bipolar I," and she's even saying we can see about a slow and steady taper off the tranquilizer, provided I stay on Lamictal. Before...I was a hot mess, as in...state hospital level hot mess.
>
> some people use no flush niacin, which I think is niacin hexa-nicotinate. I briefly tried it, it was OK, but...opinions in the "alternative" world vary, so I went back to niacinamide.
>
> and then there's real, bona fide niacin...that's the gold standard in Hoffer's treatment protocols, I just don't mess with it.
>
> hope this helps.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 16, 2018, at 8:02:44
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Lamdage22 on December 14, 2018, at 8:36:27
MSM and CBD made me anxious. So maybe there are toxins/infections. But how can i find out for sure?
Posted by Christ_empowered on December 16, 2018, at 22:21:26
In reply to Re: To christempowered, posted by Lamdage22 on December 16, 2018, at 8:02:44
I dunno man. I just assumed I'd picked up some nasties and did a detox I put together for myself...for 6 months. It was intense...there was even vomiting, at random times. True story.
the vitamin C people within the Orthomolecular community seem to think that massive doses of C will, over time, detox. I think they max out at 18-20grams daily for maintenance and way more than that (orally...or by injection...or both...) for active infections, cancer, etc.
I'm down to 12 grams/C. I was on 20, till I couldn't tolerate it anymore. Maybe I'm detoxed and less crazed, at long last?
Alpha lipoic acid+NAC+C was effective for me...or at least, that was part of the line up. B-complex, biotin...also in there.
Hope this helps.
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