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Posted by Tomatheus on August 5, 2012, at 16:40:29
Hello,
I'm just curious as to whether anyone on this board has tried a supplement called Oxytocin Factor. If you've tried this supplement, how did it affect you? Specifically, how did it affect your energy levels, psychomotor speed, and sleep? Any help would be appreciated.
Tomatheus
Posted by Tomatheus on August 7, 2012, at 23:24:25
In reply to Anybody here try Oxytocin Factor?, posted by Tomatheus on August 5, 2012, at 16:40:29
Does anybody have any experiences with any oxytocin supplements that they'd like to share?
Tomatheus
Posted by Tomatheus on August 14, 2012, at 17:01:30
In reply to Anybody here try Oxytocin Factor?, posted by Tomatheus on August 5, 2012, at 16:40:29
Well, I tried sublingual oxytocin (the product called Oxytocin Factor), and it relieved most of my depressive symptoms to a substantial degree, though it helped with my hypersomnia to a lesser degree. However, once I got to my third day on sublingual oxytocin, one of my tremors became a lot worse, and I felt that the only thing I could do was discontinue the supplement. So, I'm no longer taking the sublingual oxytocin, at least for now. I might try it again if I ever get the chance to try it without Abilify, but I don't know how realistic stopping Abilify would be.
Tomatheus
Posted by alexcanada on March 18, 2013, at 6:10:55
In reply to Well, I tried it..., posted by Tomatheus on August 14, 2012, at 17:01:30
What kind of symptoms did it help with? I have melancholic type depression and do need to find some suitable options.
> Well, I tried sublingual oxytocin (the product called Oxytocin Factor), and it relieved most of my depressive symptoms to a substantial degree, though it helped with my hypersomnia to a lesser degree. However, once I got to my third day on sublingual oxytocin, one of my tremors became a lot worse, and I felt that the only thing I could do was discontinue the supplement. So, I'm no longer taking the sublingual oxytocin, at least for now. I might try it again if I ever get the chance to try it without Abilify, but I don't know how realistic stopping Abilify would be.
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> Tomatheus
Posted by Tomatheus on March 18, 2013, at 10:34:25
In reply to Re: Well, I tried it... » Tomatheus, posted by alexcanada on March 18, 2013, at 6:10:55
> What kind of symptoms did it help with? I have melancholic type depression and do need to find some suitable options.
Alex,
I think I recall the sublingual oxytocin helping with my energy, concentration, and ability to enjoy things. I do seem to remember the supplement's benefits fading with time, although if that was the case, I obviously didn't record that in this thread that I started. It's hard to say the extent to which I'd recommend trying sublingual oxytocin for others suffering from depressive disorders. The fact that I did get some response from it shows, in my opinion, that the supplement might have some promise, but I think that it would be especially difficult to predict how effective the supplement might be if it were given to a large group of patients, and it would also be hard to predict what its effects would look like over the long run. So, while sublingual oxytocin might be an option for you to try, I think that predicting how it might affect you would be difficult, especially given the absence of data on how the supplement affects individuals with depressive disorders.
Tomatheus
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2013, at 10:02:07
In reply to Re: Well, I tried it... » alexcanada, posted by Tomatheus on March 18, 2013, at 10:34:25
Posted by Tomatheus on August 15, 2013, at 10:47:02
In reply to Tomatheus: Any recreational value? (nm), posted by Lamdage22 on August 15, 2013, at 10:02:07
Lamdage,
I could see how sublingual oxytocin might conceivably have some recreational value, especially if one were to take more of it than I did. I don't remember the effects of the supplement lasting for longer than a few days for me, but I think it would be hard to predict whether the effects of the supplement might last longer for others who don't tend to get temporary responses to a lot of the supplements that they try.
So, might sublingual oxytocin have recreational value? Possibly. I felt more energetic and found it easier to enjoy things while the effects of the supplement lasted. Such effects might be desirable for almost anyone. Then again, it would be hard to know for sure what effects sublingual oxytocin might have on someone with a "normal" baseline energy level, seeing that my baseline energy level is quite low.
T.
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 16, 2013, at 4:41:33
In reply to Re: Tomatheus: Any recreational value? » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on August 15, 2013, at 10:47:02
Can you rule out placebo effect on your side?
I heard that Oxytocin has a hard time to cross BBB...
Posted by Tomatheus on August 16, 2013, at 12:12:44
In reply to Re: Tomatheus: Any recreational value?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 16, 2013, at 4:41:33
Well, from my perspective, I think that there are always going to be people saying that a response to a certain treatment is (or might be) due to the placebo effect, and I guess I can't say that there isn't any chance that they could be right. However, again, from my perspective, I don't see the placebo effect as being a likely cause of the responses that I've had to various treatments. I wouldn't keep trying medications and supplements if I didn't think that there was some chance that they might work indefinitely, but inevitably, those that helped me in the short run went on to be completely ineffective in the long run. So, basically what I'm saying is that I wouldn't have tried sublingual oxytocin and other supplements if my expectation was that it would just work for a few days and then become ineffective, yet my responses to sublingual oxytocin and other supplements ended up following just that pattern: one of there being a response for a little while, followed by nothing. In other words, my expectations aren't consistent with the treatment outcomes, and it's expectations that drive the placebo effect. I think that if what I've experienced were due to the placebo effect that the response that I had would have been more in line with my expectations.
But to answer your question, can I rule the placebo effect out with 100 percent certainty? I guess I can't -- not with 100 percent certainty. Though I'm doubtful that what I experienced was due to the placebo effect, I have to leave some room for the possibility of anything happening.
T.
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